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EBooks - are you interested, tempted, bored, indifferent, eager?

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:38 / 19.02.09
Curious: Barbelith ought to be seething with the kinds of people who are potential eBook folks: tech-savvy (at least up to a point), literate, engaged and so on. And yet there's almost no discussion of eBooks here.

Is that because the tech isn't up to it? Because it's too expensive? Or because frankly there's nothing romantic or cool about running a bubble bath, lighting scented candles, and dropping your Kindle in the tub?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:11 / 20.02.09
The bath thing would seem to be the problem. Also, you can't really stack computer files on your living room shelves, as a way of trying to impress possible future romantic partners.

If you travel and read a lot (although if you travel that often, there are probably going to be business documents you need to be getting on with) then I can see the appeal of these things, but otherwise, not so much. An e-book would be one more expensive piece of technology you wouldn't want to lose, drop or spill drinks on, and even for the non-terminally accident-prone, how much, really, does the format have to offer that the relatively indestructible, and in any case far cheaper, paperback doesn't?

I can imagine these selling once the product looks right (no idea if it does at the moment) but equally, if they do take off, I wonder if people aren't just going to download 'War And Peace' or whatever, rather than actually reading it.

Which they'd have a perfect right to do, of course, it's just, what would be the point?

Then again, I think civilisation peaked when owning a mobile phone was still considered uncool, so what do I know?
 
 
Nocturne
02:24 / 01.03.09
I have started, and not finished, four e-books.

I keep forgetting they're on my hard drive. I don't have a kindle, so I don't have the option of curling up with the book in bed. I have to read on the computer, when no one else needs it, etc. Also, there was the trouble with bookmarks. I found myself typing strange characters into my e-books and using regular expressions to go find my spot.

Would a kindle or a netbook magically solve my problems? Someday, when I'm not living on peanut butter and jam, I'd like to spend some money and give it a try.
 
 
This Sunday
05:52 / 01.03.09
I abuse Project Gutenberg and similar sites (Black Mask, in its prime) for quick access, free, to a lot of works. And I love it, especially for out of print stuff or things that would probably cost me upwards of forty dollars in dead tree format. But, yeah, laptop and tub don't go so happily together, nor laptop and beach.

I find most people don't believe they can look at a computer screen that long, or read from one extensively, yet have no difficulty staying on to play games and mess around on facebook for eight hours. Either different parts of the eyes and brain are being used, or there's something wrong with that separation.
 
 
This Sunday
05:43 / 02.03.09
Is it me, or are there still a lot of academics who don't quite grasp how much free material (out of copyright or protected but freely made available) there is (legally, of course) online? It seems like never more than two months go by that I don't find myself explaining to another professor, high school teacher, student or researcher, things like Project Gutenberg that I reflexively check rather than pay for a paper copy. Is it important to the economy or the school booksellers that students buy all twenty Nineteenth Century novels assigned, rather than burning out their retinas reading them off the computer screen? Is it just pure old-fashionedness, blindness to modernity and technology?
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
12:26 / 04.03.09
Project Gutenberg has also been abused at this end; I find that it's great for books I'd never remember to buy, but randomly see referenced on wikipedia. I read the Great God Pan because of Project Gutenberg and it was no less terrifying for not being printed on paper.

Has anyone else come across the more marginal, and generally weird, ebooks that get passed around. I remember reading the Turner Diaries when a friend emailed it to me in PDF form. Quite frightening, if only for the phrase "Screaming in gutteral hebrew". Anyhow, it allowed me to read some oddball american white supremercist literature without supporting them with my money; piracy as a force for social good as it were.
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:53 / 04.03.09
I stare longingly at Kindle's all day, would love to get one - and there are an incredible amount of free books available... so...

Not sure yet though - 350 is a lot...
 
 
ghadis
16:00 / 04.03.09
I think i would love one but i'm across seas in a place that is hard to find a lot of great literature and see myself traveling about a bit in the next few years. I pretty much sold all my books last autumn, for money and also because i just wasn't going to have the space for them anymore. Now i read a lot on my laptop. I'm reading China Meilvilles' Perdido Street Station as a PDF at the moment, when in bed mostly. I find it petty easy to do in a lazy way and it's pretty handy as i get a lot of power cuts where i live. Project Guttenburg is great and i've got a load of great stuff from there, Machen, Blackwood etc. I do tend to just copy the text and make more attractive, readable PDFs out of them though. So, yeh, Ebooks get a big thumbs up from me but only out of circumstance.
 
 
h1ppychick
12:07 / 06.04.09
I've just bought an eBook reader - I'm a great consumer of fiction but generally not good at getting rid of books once I've read them so my house has gradually become one large stack of books. I've therefore decided that where possible, I'm going to buy both music and books digitally in future where this is feasible.

In terms of readers, the Kindle isn't available over here in the UK and although the Sony PRS is much sexier looking, I didn't want to be stuck with having to get things either from their tie-in partner Waterstones nor from the Sony Store in their proprietary format due to the limited range, so I went for the BeBook instead, which accepts most (but not all) formats.

I find the BeBook easy to use, but one thing that's annoyed me is that can't work out how to add bookmarks on the couple of books I've read so far. It uses eInk technology, so it really does look like a printed page. The screen's not backlit so it doesn't give you eyestrain.

I've read ebooks before; initially when I got into the Liaden Universe stuff by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller and found that there was more of their writing available on ebook that wasn't available in print. I had to read that on the computer and it wasn't enormously convenient so I never read all the ebooks I'd bought, but I have still got them and the reader software on my PC, so could have a go at them again some time.

I've also read a number of books on my iPhone - again this is very easy to do using the eReader software, in fact the iPhone is very easy to read stuff on since due to the touchscreen, you swipe to turn a page and the response time is very quick. If an eBook reader like the Sony or the BeBook had a similar kind of touchscreen I think that'd make them much more appealing to the general punter.

I think the main things preventing ebook use becoming more popular are:

- DRM and format wars. There is a proliferation of competing formats, generally with DRM over the top, so whichever reader you go for you are never going to get access to all of the available content. Whilst hacks and converters are available, when I was looking to find a way of converting my Liaden books into a newer format that I could use with my BeBook (the website which originally sold them having gone out of business), several hours of online research persuaded me that this would be too difficult.

- cost and breadth of content. ebooks offered for sale are currently priced on a very similar level to paper books, so there's not much price incentive to buy digitally (although the key retailers I've seen have a points-type loyalty scheme). For example there still seems to be the hardback/paperback pricing difference even in digital format. I have no idea if this is driven by royalties or DRM issues, but in any event it's a subtantial barrier to entry. Similarly the range of ebooks you can get does not match up to printed books so if you're looking for something specific or maybe older, it might be difficult or even impossible to find digitally.

- no second hand market - once you've read an ebook you can't really give it or sell it on to someone else. This is another reason why the pricing hasn't been particularly challenged.

I think until there's a similar threat to the publishing industry's revenue models as was experienced with MP3s, these issues are unlikely to be sorted out, at least not in favour of the consumer.
 
 
fabi
20:46 / 14.04.09
I´ve dowloaded several titles from project Gutenberg and other sites. However I find it very difficult to read and fully enjoy e-books. I think the only e-book I have ever finished reading was Frank Herbert´s Dune.

I must also say that I cannot get used to pick up a book without seeing the cover. As silly as it seems. I tend to choose books according to my mood and the color of the cover. By chance I´ve discovered treasures like "The Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy" and "Life of Pi" (both covered in bright blue cover), or the work of Daiil Kharms (moderate colors but funny little paintings).
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:04 / 16.04.09
So basically, "not yet" and "not until you sort your shit out, Mr DRM"?
 
 
h1ppychick
09:32 / 16.04.09
If I lived in the States I'd be all over the Kindle 2. New books/papers/magazines streamed wirelessly to a hand-held device, backed with Amazon and with the extent of content that implies, with discounts for non-print versions? Yes please.

There seem to be considerable delays in getting this released in the UK which I think is to do with the proliferation of mobile networks here and the need to get services set up with all of them. In any event it's a bit annoying.
 
  
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