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What, exactly, does BARBELITH underground mean?

 
 
Eek! A Freek!
13:22 / 22.01.09
To you. Personally.

When I joined it was to talk about and learn a bit more about magic. It was also to practice my writing skills (not skilz).

I had browsed the site a bit, but hadn't really examined the threads as I wanted it to be all fresh and new. I didn't know it was a community on it's death bed: Once a shining city of lights, now sacked and left squalid; the residents cliqued and bickering and hostile.

Despite all that, I dove in and tried my best, failed on several fronts, and learned a lot and became better because of it. My eyes were open to new things and I learned how to integrate myself into a virtual community for the first time. I jumped on late, didn't know really what I was getting into, what the standards and expectations were (supposed to be), and helped in the decline despite what I thought were my best efforts and attempts. I also feel that the whole place is a victim of attrition.

Things are fading and I know what BARBELITH underground meant to me from before I joined, and I ask myself what it means to me now: It's a place that cuts through the bordom at work every now and then. It's a place to fuck around and make clever jokes (or make feeble attempts at clever jokes). It's an archive to dive into, like a dusty old library as well as a place to learn about what's happening at 4chan without worrying about catching something nasty. It's a place to witness small juicy snatches of human drama, reducing me to a reality TV junkie. It's a pub to hang out in because there are a couple of seemingly familiar faces and there's not much better to do. It's a place to throw out some thoughts, and if anyone bothers, see them reflected or clarified or ripped to shreds. Sometimes it's a place to merely be vain, sometimes a place to try make an honest connection, sometimes a place to sit in the bleachers watching all the cliques I once wanted to join.

What does BARBELITH underground mean to you?
 
 
Quantum
15:12 / 22.01.09
A virtual boot stamping on a virtual face forever.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:09 / 22.01.09
Once a shining city of lights, now sacked and left squalid; the residents cliqued and bickering and hostile.

I'll have you know most of us arrived here cliqued, bickering and hostile. The incessant march of time is responsible for many things, but not that one.

It should also be noted that, as these charges have been leveled against barbelith members for at least the nine years I've been on the board, I guess you can't really call that a change or a transformation. That statement is as true now as it ever was (which is not very).
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:21 / 22.01.09
This thread made me think of that Talking Heads song "Once In A Lifetime". Then I thought to rewrite the lyrics so they fit this thread´s topic. But then posted instead. That Titanic theme has become a part of Barbelith and sometimes people feel like Rose, sometimes they do a Jack.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
17:26 / 22.01.09
I'll have you know most of us arrived here cliqued, bickering and hostile. The incessant march of time is responsible for many things, but not that one.

Of course mine is a nine month old observation: It's difficult to know that it has been this way for 9 years, what with all the pining for the past and all the talk of how glorious the place used to be...
 
 
trouble at bill
17:38 / 22.01.09
what with all the pining for the past and all the talk of how glorious the place used to be...

basically, all old people pine for the past and ramble on about how glorious it used to be. And y'know, it's always a bunch of bullshit.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
22:13 / 22.01.09
Oh now come on, it was a total pleasure to read the Head Shop in 2002, these days I'd rather stab myself in the foot. Conversation's not that different though, just a bit slower.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
23:38 / 22.01.09
For the risk of sounding treacly, Barbelith means all the great people I've gotten to know here for nine years. Without them, my life wouldn't be as rich.
 
 
trouble at bill
08:56 / 23.01.09
it was a total pleasure to read the Head Shop in 2002, these days I'd rather stab myself in the foot.

I wouldn't disagree with that Ermintrude, I think the point being made is that there were some pretty splendid shitefights even when the 'Lith was at its intellectual zenith!
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
09:38 / 23.01.09
Well that's true but they were so much more extreme. They were fights you could get behind.
 
 
trouble at bill
09:53 / 23.01.09
Fights were proper fights back then, you mean?
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
11:23 / 23.01.09
It's a place to throw out some thoughts, and if anyone bothers, see them reflected or clarified or ripped to shreds.

Although by writing the above I suppose I was asking for it, I let myself go on the defensive again. Hmmm.

I'm guessing that for a lot of people BARBELITH underground means that they can prove their intellectual superiority by picking apart the thoughts of others.

Please try stay on thread: What does B-u mean to you, specifically? If you want to point out that other’s views aren’t valid in your opinion, by all means do so, but at least state what B-u means to you as well and give others the chance to pick apart what this place means to you.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
11:29 / 23.01.09
Fights were proper fights back then, you mean?

Yes, I don't mean that in a nostalgic- I dream of the fights we once had- kind of way. I mean that there was generally a very good reason, that every fight wasn't related to functionality and the trolls often actually seemed to be certifiably insane rather than bored. There weren't witch hunts, more desperate pleas to get rid of people who were issuing real threats or saying the most peculiar things about vegetables. There were also fights about subjects between bright people. Of course there was also stupidity- when I am 80 I will still laugh every time I hear the words real live tiger.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:13 / 23.01.09
I'm guessing that for a lot of people BARBELITH underground means that they can prove their intellectual superiority by picking apart the thoughts of others.

Having one's intellectual superiority proved by picking apart shoddy thinking is only a fringe benefit for people who actually care about such things; shoddy thinking is picked apart here because, well, that's what it deserves. I came here full of stupid ideas and had my blunt ignorance on many subjects hammered into a much finer point.

The skills required to have a reasonable discussion and a polite exchange of ideas are not often taught in traditional educational institutions, so some people need to be shown. I did, and was. I guess that's what barbelith has meant to me lo these many years.
 
 
trouble at bill
13:46 / 24.01.09
Please try stay on thread: What does B-u mean to you, specifically?

Okay, okay! To me too it is a social thing. When I arrived here there were a lot of talented folk who had a high tolerance for personal eccentricity and mild to middling freakishness, and they immediately proceeded to enrich my life and still do. Three or four posters met long-term partners through the 'Lith too, including me.

However, to me the 'Lith also means a sad lesson in seeing how 'the counterculture' is a really a random assortment of whining, inneffectual neurotics with little in common other than their many and varied dissatisfactions with the way things are. (And yep, I do include myself in that.) Hence all the bickering, cliquery and hostility which eventually wore many people down.
 
 
astrojax69
00:39 / 26.01.09
why will no-one talk to me on the football football football football thread?

and where have all the daily poets gone? has the post-blair era withered poetry on the vine?

i do find b-u a little slow and less vibrant than it was when i stumbled in a few years back - often enough 'conversations' take weeks and i can be away for a fortnight and come back into a chat and no-one seems to notice. well, no-one seems to notice me anyway, so i guess that's not it...

i still like it here - don't go away.
 
 
Quantum
14:20 / 27.01.09
when I am 80 I will still laugh every time I hear the words real live tiger.

Me too, and when I read A MAN...

It's difficult to know that it has been this way for 9 years, what with all the pining for the past and all the talk of how glorious the place used to be...

I tell you, the nostalgia used to be such high quality, some of those 'Barbelith is dying' threads were great in '03, nowadays people don't have the vehemence to pine for the old days properly.
 
 
trouble at bill
14:29 / 27.01.09
See what he did there?
 
 
trouble at bill
12:34 / 28.01.09
when I am 80 I will still laugh every time I hear the words real live tiger.

Now I just need someone to remind me which thread that tiger debacle took place in and my life will be complete...
 
 
Quantum
12:45 / 28.01.09
Crimes of Fashion saw a real live tiger

I would claim web fu but I just searched until I found a Haus post with a link to it.
 
 
Quantum
12:49 / 28.01.09
"Yes, I'm lit again but dosn't it give a certain dynamic to the shit I spout?"

Quality old school troll, not like the puny efforts we have nowadays. Ooh look at this pic!

Barbelith to me means the distillation of the internet experience, just with less porn.
 
 
ZF!
13:59 / 28.01.09
What's this?

Barbelith is dying again?

I thought it was meant to die last year? What happened?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:12 / 28.01.09
Barbelith to me means the distillation of the internet experience, just with less porn.

As a Barbelith/4chan hybrid, I feel I should point out that the correct way to say that would be "fewer pr0nz", amirite?
 
  
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