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Being Single

 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:34 / 10.01.09
Does it rock to be in a relationship? Or does it suck to the extent that you want to go on a killing spree, afer being dissed at dinner parties.? Or is it more complicated than that?
 
 
oryx
13:41 / 11.01.09
I'm loving being single. I've been without a partner for two years, and it's great. My apartment is immaculate, my time is my own, and I've achieved more single, both personally and professionally, than I ever did in a relationship.

Relationships, when they work, are great, but I've known too many people stay in bad relationships (myself included) because they were scared (or whatever) of being single. Now, I'd rather be single than in a relationship for the sake of it.

I think it's easier for me because I don't run with the marrying crowd, so I have no social pressure to couple up, and there is no stigma to being single. I had the usual tedious questioning of my status from my mother's friends at Xmas, which I handled spectacularly badly, but I'm sure they'll get over it.

The bottom line is that the relative merits of singledom or coupledom, or indeed any other way of organising your personal relationships, are highly subjective. It also varies depending on what stage you're at in your life. If I could say any more than that I'd write the book and make millions.
 
 
iamus
16:17 / 11.01.09
I'd much rather be single than be in a relationship just for the sake of it.

But then I'd much rather be in a proper relationship than be single.
 
 
Spaniel
08:04 / 12.01.09
The marrying crowd? Seems to me that the marrying crowd catches up with most of us when we enter our thirties. At 33 I am rapidly approaching a time when more of my friends will be married than not. I should probably stress that many of my friends aren’t exactly what you’d call conventional.

My experience of singularity has generally been pretty good. Looking back (from my marrying/parenting crowd vantage point) I am astonished at the level of freedom I enjoyed as a single man. The freedom to just loaf about for days on end, or conversely to burying myself in a project, or, I dunno, play a computer game! The thing I miss most, when I’m in a missing mood, is the ability to spend time on my own. Hours and hours and perhaps weeks by myself, on my lonesome.

Single people take heed: these things pass.

That said, I really love companionship, and I really enjoy the structure that life as a married father of one affords. Then there’s the added bonus that I have two people around who I love and love me in return. Being in love is nice, being with people that you love (assuming they’re not arseholes) is nice. Also - and this is something that I’ve started to feel acutely now that I’ve left the immortality and omnipotence of youth behind me - I don’t want to face the future alone, and the best way I can see of doing that is by creating a strong family and extended family, just like the kind I was brought up in, but one where the Dad sticks around.
 
 
Quantum
08:26 / 12.01.09
What Boboss said (my partner and I have a baby on the way but I'm essentially in the same circumstance just a couple of years behind).
I miss time alone, but when I was single I spent a lot of time seeking out people to hang out with- it turns out my desire for time alone is sated after about a week. One of those grass is always greener things I suppose.

In fact, wasn't there a skit on this years ago on The Mary Whitehouse Experience, where married people imagine single people to live a non-stop orgy of parties and sex and single people imagine couples to spend their life joyous and shagging- with the money shot being Rob Newman with a binbag on his head with a budgie flapping about in it, representing the apogee of kink?
Crap, I really am 33 aren't I.
 
 
oryx
09:02 / 12.01.09
[b]The marrying crowd? Seems to me that the marrying crowd catches up with most of us when we enter our thirties. At 33 I am rapidly approaching a time when more of my friends will be married than not. I should probably stress that many of my friends aren’t exactly what you’d call conventional.[/b]

I'm 39, and the only person I know who hit her 30's got married and had kids was so insufferably smug about it that no-one speaks to her any more. The rest of my friends are single women, or gay, or single parents, or coupled-up but unmarried heteros, or trans, or sperm/egg doners to same-sex couples, or a gay guy and a straight woman and her daughter (yes really), or doing anything at all apart from the "heteronormative" (so-called) marriage and family route. I can't conceive of marriage being the norm in my social circle, which is bizarre I know.

[b]The freedom to just loaf about for days on end, or conversely to burying myself in a project, or, I dunno, play a computer game! The thing I miss most, when I’m in a missing mood, is the ability to spend time on my own. Hours and hours and perhaps weeks by myself, on my lonesome. [/b]

Precisely. The freedom and the luxury of being the master of your own time is priceless.

[b]That said, I really love companionship, and I really enjoy the structure that life as a married father of one affords. Then there’s the added bonus that I have two people around who I love and love me in return. Being in love is nice, being with people that you love (assuming they’re not arseholes) is nice. Also - and this is something that I’ve started to feel acutely now that I’ve left the immortality and omnipotence of youth behind me - I don’t want to face the future alone, and the best way I can see of doing that is by creating a strong family and extended family, just like the kind I was brought up in, but one where the Dad sticks around. [/b]

That's an interesting point. It's almost inevitable that people will base their relationships on their own family, and happy families are more likely to beget happy families than unhappy ones. My personal experience of family is that it is utterly toxic and I really don't want to live my life in a family structure because of the damage it does to the individuals within it. Mind you, how many happy families are there? At best, most people seem to put up with family because that's just the way it is, rather than enjoying the "strong family" you mention, or actively seeking alternative ways to structure their personal lives outside of the usual family model.

(obviously, all of this is predicated only on my observations - I'm no sociologist of the family or anything like that!)
 
 
Spaniel
10:27 / 12.01.09
Hey, I think you're probably right, oryx, most families that subscribe to the traditional model probably do suck, but I've seen enough good ones to know that it can be done and done well. The important thing, as far as I can see, is to pull in as much found family - reliable, long-term friends - as possible, discard dead weight blood relatives, and be prepared to do the hard work when necessary - most of which has to be done on one's self!

By the way, I'm not here to advocate the nuclear family or anything like it, and I'm certainly not a marriage is for everyone kinda guy (or even a long-term relationships are for everyone kinda guy). I'm a passionate believer in whatever works for you and those that you love. Interpersonal relationships are tricky beasts.
 
 
Spaniel
10:31 / 12.01.09
Precisely. The freedom and the luxury of being the master of your own time is priceless.

God, it really is. If only I'd understood that a few years ago I'd probably have a much more enjoyable job
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:30 / 12.01.09
I love the freedom but I miss the companionship.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:51 / 12.01.09
Says the man with an enormously beloved dog ... surely that helps, no? A bit?
 
 
StarWhisper
19:51 / 12.01.09
In-ter-per-son-al-rel-ation-ships

Oh yeah, interpersonal relationships, I remember those. Those were the traumatic wastes of my time I had to put up with before I got the internet. Going outside and talking are overrated imo, and being traumatised by the internet is way more efficient.

Although, deep down I want to get married, to find a real partner (in crime) or at least someone who isn't going to bolt when the chips are down. But I really don't want to live with them. Or anyone. Ever.
 
 
Spaniel
20:27 / 12.01.09
Makes sense
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:50 / 12.01.09
Although, deep down I want to get married, to find a real partner (in crime) or at least someone who isn't going to bolt when the chips are down. But I really don't want to live with them. Or anyone. Ever.

Eventually the Accomplice and I will move in together, eventually. Never mind that we've been together and not living together for over five years now.

In an idle world, though, I think we'd favour the Frida/Diego style of "living together," a house divided into two halves and connected by a bridge.
 
 
Tsuga
22:37 / 12.01.09
I've been best friends with my wife for twenty-two years now. We occasionally drive each other crazy. Well, frequently. But we also make each other laugh alot, and when we talk, we understand each other really well. We share most tastes and beliefs, but our disagreements define us as much as the agreements. There is no perfect family or family relationship because no one is perfect. Everyone is fucked up in some way, I believe that with all my heart. It's like your friends, they're the people whose shortcomings you can overlook. If you find a really long-term partner, I think they are the one (ones?) that you really know well, and they really know you, and still, you love each other.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:20 / 13.01.09
Says the man with an enormously beloved dog ... surely that helps, no? A bit?

Hmm. Maybe "conversation", then. My chats with Sheena are usually a little one-sided.
 
 
grant
16:36 / 13.01.09
Yeah, my dog won't stop fucking barking either.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:02 / 13.01.09
In an idle world, though, I think we'd favour the Frida/Diego style of "living together," a house divided into two halves and connected by a bridge.

This has always been my dream of "living together": getting an apartment down the road that is accessible by underground river. For some reason I have never in my life wanted to share my room with someone, let alone share one single bed, no matter how large.

Finding people who are okay with separate bedrooms (by which I mean bedrooms separated by several walls, doors, hallways, probably a street or two, maybe a park) has been difficult.
 
 
Evil Scientist
17:18 / 13.01.09
Does it rock to be in a relationship? Or does it suck to the extent that you want to go on a killing spree, afer being dissed at dinner parties.? Or is it more complicated than that?

I suppose it could be complicated but I don't find it that way. I've been single for quite some time now and I really think I enjoy the benefits of not being in a relationship more than I did the benefits of being in one.

I suppose it depends a lot on how much you like your own company really. If you like having someone around then relationships are the way to go. If you prefer the occasional (or even frequent) prolonged bouts of solitude then going single is probably a way to go.

There's plenty of people out there who're single but looking, I wonder if perhaps they are the ones who might experience the down sides more as they're not in the state they want to be in and might feel a bit isolated if they don't have a good friends base.
 
 
Janean Patience
20:49 / 13.01.09
Rob Newman with a binbag on his head with a budgie flapping about in it, representing the apogee of kink?

Explainable as coincidence and that, but it's weird that I thought of that sketch just today. And I have birds, and deal with binbags regular, but still haven't thought of it in years.

The great thing about being single is no-one cares when you get home, and the worst thing is no-one cares when you get home. My brief single period is summed up for me by the time I went the pub straight from work, came home desperate for a piss, lurched for the bathroom and measured my length on the floor over a stack of planks. The flat was being renovated (read: fucked up) and nobody had thought to tell me.

Not sure what that says about being single really.
 
 
trouble at bill
19:02 / 19.01.09
Being single is horrible. While it's not as bad as being stuck in a dodgy relationship, it's important to remember how nasty it is. Freedom's all very well, but not so the loneliness, sexual frustration and terminal insecurity as to whether your previous relationship is going to turn out to be your final one because you're getting older and fatter by the second. I honestly doubt the principle that it's better to have loved and lost.
 
 
Triplets
19:17 / 19.01.09
Freedom's all very well, but not so the loneliness, sexual frustration and terminal insecurity

Wow. Speak for the self?

Having not been in a truly long-term relationship I can't give a yes or no on whether it's better than being single. However, and I think Shrug made a thread on this a while back, I tend to be a much more pro-active person when I'm dating/in a relationship. I'm not much of a self-hater so I tend just to cruise through life and work. When I'm seeing someone of the interesting sex it forces me (I find) to try new things or at least dive more into the things I like doing or the things that person likes doing.

Do I like the freedom of singledom? Most definitely, but there's nothing to say that being with someone means you have to give the majority of it up. Surely if you're with a level-headed companion with shared interests you're getting the best of both?
 
 
Spaniel
21:16 / 19.01.09
It all depends on what constitutes "being with someone". In my experience long term relationships that include cohabitation are very likely to remove large chunks of freedom from your life. This happens for a variety of reasons, firstly you necessarily lose certain freedoms - the freedom to spend time lots of time alone, for example, , the freedom to engage in activities which might annoy or upset your partner - secondly there's the financial dimension, which, you know, is pretty heavy stuff.

I could go on.

The reality is that people fuck each other off when they're in close proximity for prolonged periods of time, especially when those people have certain important responsibilities to each other.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
22:00 / 19.01.09
If you're single, lonely and in a rut, it's worth remembering that the solution is *not* to find a similar person whose company you enjoy but who you aren't really attracted to, use your newfound talent for making them happy in trivial ways as a pretext for getting involved more deeply, move in and become financially intertwined despite your inner misgivings and spend several years in a loveless relationship while your capacity for kindness and sense of self-worth ebb away, before the other person, who still has more imagination and guts than you despite it all, pulls the plug. In my worthless experience.
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:11 / 20.01.09
In my experience, being single works best when you have a group of friends who are also single to hang out with. It's when all your friends pair up and you're left without other single people to do single people stuff that the once perfect system falls apart. Or when you never had friends to begin with.

So, in short, my two-cents are as follows: being single is all right, it's being alone and lonely that sucks
 
 
Slim
11:10 / 20.01.09
Being single is horrible. While it's not as bad as being stuck in a dodgy relationship, it's important to remember how nasty it is. Freedom's all very well, but not so the loneliness, sexual frustration and terminal insecurity as to whether your previous relationship is going to turn out to be your final one because you're getting older and fatter by the second. I honestly doubt the principle that it's better to have loved and lost.

My friend, perhaps these issues are independent of your relationship status and need to be dealt with?
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
13:13 / 20.01.09
Being single is okay but it means you have to be sociable and I hate feeling lonely and anti-social at the same time so it's not really my favourite state of affairs. I was good at it when I was reckless and amoral but I'd be terrible at it now. I am basically good at heteronormative, coupled behaviour, I like living with someone who won't fuck my Le Creuset up and understands my jokes. I like having someone I can always call on the phone and swear at and who doesn't care about my academic work but still reads it.
 
 
trouble at bill
16:26 / 20.01.09
My friend, perhaps these issues are independent of your relationship status and need to be dealt with?

i would not deny that there is just possibly an element of mid-life crisis at work atm! But do PM me the cure for ageing, I'd be interested to see it.
 
 
Ticker
17:01 / 20.01.09
I enjoyed living by myself and not having to feel badly about my habits, no editing type of stuff. But it turns out I'm utterly insane, batshit crazypants looney, when I'm single. I had several good friends sit me down and explain how my behavior was terrifying as having no one to be considerate of I sort of wandered off into pillage mode.

I'm very glad I had a chance to live by myself without roommates (just catses) but it did lend itself absolute fuckery. I think I lack a moral compass when it's just me and my adventures. It was very fun to spend the time riding my motorcycle home in the mornings from strange places and beds and drink coffee by myself feeling independent and untamed. Then of course there was the howling misery of not having a proper playmate who didn't get dodgy the morning after. Lot's of disappointment with social drama.

I'm very glad the internets decided to fix me up with the spouse. Way less drama and way more goodness. It will be five years this year I'm pretty excited about that.
 
 
Blue Eyes Not Innocent
04:15 / 21.01.09
XK, I'm the same way; friends who only knew me after I'd met the girl I fell in love with(not calling her an ex because she's not precisely that anymore, not calling her my girlfriend because she's not precisely that anymore either) just thought I went off the rails after we broke up, but the reality is I didn't have much in the way of rails to begin with; I was like the 6th member of Motley Crue, decades late to the party, and having someone I love and care about in my life does a lot to temper what my best friend jokingly calls the "rock star instinct" to see just how far I can dive before I need to pull up or risk hitting the ground in a ball of flames.

So being single can be awesome; your time is your own, you don't report to anybody but you. And I wouldn't advocate being in a relationship just to have one. But they can be wonderful things on a lot of levels when they go right. They can be terrible when they go wrong though.
 
 
Spaniel
07:44 / 21.01.09
Thirded: I think I'm a much better human being (less mad, less self destructive, more responsible) when I'm in a relationship
 
 
Quantum
08:51 / 21.01.09
I've found several times that just when I start to be happy being single, I get together with someone. Maybe I'm just more attractive when content.
 
 
hachiman
12:00 / 21.01.09
I think everyone is more attractive when they're happy with who they are.

Personally, i find that hitting 30 this year, and never having been in a relationship that lasted a month, and those few and far between, the lonelies are biting down a bit harder than they used to when we were a lad.

Still, with the life i have, i find that while i desire to be in a relationship, the realities of my life means its currently impossible and probably will remain so for a good long while yet.

Not fun, but i'm coping. With a little(alot) of help from my friends.

I'm glad to see that people have such diverse opinions on this matter though, it gives me food for thought. Thanks.
 
  
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