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400 eyes for an eye

 
 
wicker woman
19:25 / 01.01.09
400 dead and over 1,000 wounded so far, with a ground offensive looking all the more likely as time goes on. I'm starting to wonder if Hamas even knows it's shooting at Israel; the way Israel continues to assimila... sorry, "extend its security border" into Palestinian territory, they may well think they're just doing target practice in their own borders when they're actually firing at newly-acquired Israeli territory.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081231/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

Scary thing is, if you parse out the UN casualty figures in that article, not many of the civilian dead are counted as male. So apparently almost any adult male in Gaza is considered fair game. Tall Gazan teenagers should consider crouching.

Once again, the Israeli offensive is being categorized as a 'response', when the chain of events leading up to this make that a muddled assessment at best, and downright farcical at worst. Meanwhile, western governments remain unwilling to go beyond verbal finger-wagging at Israel. You have to wonder exactly how much death n' occupation it will take over there before this is no longer seen as Dudley Do-Right vs Snidley Whiplash...
 
 
Char Aina
05:24 / 02.01.09
After I initially, and uncharitably(I'm sorry, it's been a long hogmanay - I'm just getting home, and I think I may still be buckfasted), wondered if the dead were cyclopes, I was struck by your last sentence. It could easily have been asked years ago, ever since Dudley got his show.

That seems indicative.

Given how it's gone for over half a century, what could actually make it stop?

I reckon maybe nothing?
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
14:32 / 05.01.09
I think the answer to that question is stop the arms trade.
 
 
Saturn's nod
08:13 / 06.01.09
I'm crying about it but I don't know what else to do.

What would happen if the peace activists of the world were ready to airflift a million trained conflict resolution experts and trauma counsellors into the region at the moment a ceasefire was agreed? What would it take for the world to take peace seriously enough to do that?

Am I right in understanding that almost the entire adult population of Israel is their reserve armed forces? Everyone who did military service when they became adult? So I guess they see the Palestinians as being in the same position* (I know this ignores the massive inequality in all essential resources and weaponry)?
 
 
Slim
10:38 / 06.01.09
Well, this is a very complicated issue.
 
 
Char Aina
10:46 / 06.01.09
I think most people have noticed that, Slim. Is there a particular aspect of that complexity you wish to discuss?
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
19:20 / 06.01.09
What would happen if the peace activists of the world were ready to airflift a million trained conflict resolution experts and trauma counsellors into the region at the moment a ceasefire was agreed?

I'm not sure that would work with Israel. It might sound like cod psychology but I think it's more complicated than perpetuated war because what leaps out about the situation is a generational problem. Is it a purely political coincidence that things seem to be getting more violent there- no, probably not because a lot of psychoanalytic theory supports the fact that third generation immigrants have closer relationships with their grandparents than their parents did particularly surrounding the experience of immigration itself. When you consider the circumstances around the founding of Israel it's no surprise that it has become more rather than less aggressive in its stance, that the problems have compounded given the age of the country. Conflict resolution and trauma experts would be welcome but the collective unconscious of the nation, the ingrained aggression fostered by making everyone a member of the military, the delusions of the politicians and the potentially dangerous experience of the individual generations who live there suggest that it would require a far more intense therapy. Let's not pretend that Israel is not an enclave for survivors, whether that survival was a direct experience or not and I speak as someone with a generational personal history regarding the second world war, that experience is not easy to take apart because it's removed and yet so close and at the same time the Jewish experience is ever present there so it's not simply generational but also cultural.
 
 
grant
16:35 / 08.01.09
There are certain things that expert negotiators can't help, I think.

Here are two things that intrigue me:

1. The Best Reporter in Gaza is on the front page of TPM, and bouncing around the internet. I don't remember seeing this kind of coverage or attention before.

The same could be said for
2. a picture you don't want to see, which seems like something that wouldn't even be visible as recently as five years ago. You really don't want to see that picture. Once seen, can't be unseen.

And it's out there.
 
 
grant
18:24 / 08.01.09
The Vatican says Gaza is a concentration camp.

That's pretty strong language from Pope Benedict.

(Or his representative.)
 
 
wicker woman
06:18 / 09.01.09
The UN has now, at least temporarily, ceased aid delivery to Gaza because of attacks on their convoys and refugee camps by the Israeli forces. A UN contractor was killed in one attack after Israeli tanks fired on their position during the 3-hour ceasefire window Israel had agreed to provide for the delivery of aid supplies.

You know, at a certain point, 'benefit of the doubt' just goes right out the window.
 
 
bacon
11:33 / 13.01.09
annihilation is the only solution

(grant: that photo and many worse have been published in the NYT)
 
 
Spaniel
12:51 / 13.01.09
annihilation is the only solution

Agreed!
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
12:57 / 13.01.09
Of who?
 
 
Lucid Frenzy
15:51 / 14.01.09
Let's not pretend that Israel is not an enclave for survivors, whether that survival was a direct experience or not and I speak as someone with a generational personal history regarding the second world war, that experience is not easy to take apart because it's removed and yet so close and at the same time the Jewish experience is ever present there so it's not simply generational but also cultural.

The place being invaded here is Gaza, not Israel.
 
 
Quantum
09:46 / 19.01.09
BBC News - At least 1,300 Palestinians, according to Palestinian sources, and 13 Israelis have been killed since Israel launched its offensive on 27 December.

David has become Goliath.
 
 
sTe
23:25 / 29.01.09
"BBC News - At least 1,300 Palestinians, according to Palestinian sources, and 13 Israelis have been killed since Israel launched its offensive on 27 December."

But they can't broadcast an appeal for help for the survivors because it may invalidate their political impartiality - never mind the fact it might actually save people's lives.

Just wondering, how difficult is it actually to trace rocket fire and locate the source? Does it require the invasion of hundreds of miles in order to ensure you find the shooters? Or could you just have a rapid response team ready to move and confiscate any launchers? - I don't know the answer to this, but just asking as I would think that one of the best equipped armies in the world may be able to do this...
 
 
jentacular dreams
09:11 / 30.01.09
I presume that the launchers are in residential areas and those responsible usually vanish into the populace before Israel can retaliate directly. This CNN article suggests that Israel does use rapid response attacks when possible, though I still have the some of the usual skepticism regarding who they classify as militants.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:31 / 31.01.09
This is the thing I don't understand- Israel have one of the most effective counter-terrorism set-ups in the world, as far as I can tell. You'd think resorting to sledgehammers would be something reserved for those without access to a nutcracker, as it were.
 
 
ghadis
13:26 / 31.01.09
Perhaps it has to do with it being harder to initiate large scale land grab plans with an effective counter-terrorism set-up. Tanks tend to work better.
 
 
ghadis
13:28 / 31.01.09
Call me Mr Cynical of course.
 
  
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