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Quantum
08:34 / 06.11.08
Okay, here we are with the US electing the first black president, who gave a great acceptance speech (thank grant for the link) and as a Democrat appeals to most of Barbelith more than most politicians.

I'm very happy about it, and so is most of the rest of the world and all the Americans I know- although I can't help but be reminded of the UK New Labour win in '97. Tony Blair seemed like a fresh new hope after Tory rule, and he was accomplished enough as a politician to seem like great news for the country, then went on to lead us into war over nonexistent WMDs etc. and turn into the Smiler from Transmetropolitan, a twisted untrustworthy spin doctor sucking up to GWB who was in power when Dr David Kelly died*...

So, Barack's presidency- will it live up to the hype? He's building his White House team as we speak, this thread to track the joy or disappointment and showcase breaking news.



*Remember him? He was found dead days after appearing before the Parliamentary committee charged with investigating the WMD scandal.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
08:54 / 06.11.08
It will live up to the hype in the same way that Blair and the Labour party did- the first term will hopefully be excellent with some interesting and sorely needed policies passed, possibly the repeal of a few things that should never have existed and a better equilibrium being found. As the Republicans gain a little more power there will be a few cracks and of course Barack Obama will allow an aerial bombardment of another country to take place at some point during his presidency, he's a democrat. Let's not do down the Labour government, they did some good things in their first term in office but Tony Blair was never a prodigal son come to save us and neither is Obama, they are both incredibly eloquent politicians though.

Of course there's a good chance that Obama won't do anything about that huge internment camp the US whacked a load of people into.
 
 
werwolf
10:58 / 06.11.08
there are already some positively hilarious reactions to obama's upcoming presidency. at the same time absolutely scary, too.

even assuming that obama is the overall good guy and messiah he's being portrayed as - and not 'just' a highly intelligent, very capable, eloquent and charismatic political mind, yet like all others bound to the reality of political business -, let's not forget that he would have to clear up a disconcertingly gargantuan pile of dubya (and other assorted) bs before he can actually get down to business. imho, he and his team will spend a lot of his first term repairing domestic and foreign matters, cushioning regression and setting a favorable mood for a second term. plus there will be attacks on his life, i'm sure of it.

and even with an all-around good guy at the helm, the u.s.a. is still the big bully of the industrialized world (even if perhaps unintentionally), whether they like it or not. at least that's a popular view and one i can partially agree with.

obama didn't even bite any of that off, but it's massive and it needs chewing and he is the one who stepped up, jaws ready to chomp, teeth brushed. expectations are dramatically high, all eyes are fixed on his every action. every tiny slip-up will be judged ten times worse than if it were mccain or any other person.

but, if he can even live up to half of the hype, then it's going to be a very, very welcome change of wind, that's for sure.
 
 
Quantum
11:48 / 06.11.08
That link is terrifying. There’s 76 pages so far of this stuff on the FOX News forum. (my emphasis)
 
 
Ticker
13:54 / 06.11.08
Ah yes, that's the America that banned gay marriage speaking right there.

I'm hoping that Obama will be a better President than Clinton was but you know after the last eight years worth of damage he's got a mountain of shit to sort out. He's already been putting together a well informed supporting staff and he seems smart enough to use the relief of the world to forge new relationships rather than rely on old ones.
 
 
Quantum
14:13 / 06.11.08
I think the surge of positive opinion worldwide will help massively though, suddenly all us foreigners are like 'Whoo! Go you guys!' instead of just spitting on you in the street.

The fact that you're likely to have a foreign policy now has won Obama a lot of goodwill abroad, and he was popular anyway- the international community is going to cut him a lot more slack than his predecessor, and who knows? Maybe Barack will listen to the UN...
 
 
werwolf
14:43 / 06.11.08
Quantum wrote: I think the surge of positive opinion worldwide will help massively though, [...] and [...] the international community is going to cut him a lot more slack than his predecessor [...]

agreed on the first count, beg to differ on the second one.

sure, everbody (= probably the majority of governments of the rest of the world, minus perhaps china) is a good deal relieved to be rid of 'that nutcase dubya' (quoting one of my colleagues) and not have him replaced by someone-who-seemed-a-m.o.r.-republican-at-one-time-but-has-become-a-wild-card-in-his-own-right (= mccain), especially not with that alaskan something or other beside him. and i agree that they (= the international community) will be more inclined to cooperate with the u.s. of a., yes.

on the other hand, obama will come under scrutiny on the same token. should he maintain and/or condone any one of those policies and strategies of the previous president already criticized by other governments and international organisations (and he will be hard-pressed to eradicate all of them), well, then i can easily imagine headlines like "more of the same: obama just new face on old policies" or "obama gives in: not enough courage to stand up to lobby pressure" and so on.

anyway, personally i'm hoping that he actually is that kind of politician he's being sold as. and if he is, then i wish for a successful term for barack obama.
 
 
dark horse
12:47 / 07.11.08
well apparently o's new chief of staff was the inspiration for the character of josh lyman on the west wing. pretty cool!!!
 
 
grant
19:34 / 07.11.08
From: Messages for Obama Flickr Group. RE: Tony Blair.
 
 
Ticker
19:46 / 07.11.08
Really, it's the American people who are setting up to disappoint Mr. Obama.

"He wants to take our guns from us and create a socialist society policed by his own police force," added Pruett, a former radio personality. He was talking about President-elect Barack Obama."

*headdesk*
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
06:22 / 08.11.08
I've read your concerns and your comments.

I've never been one for politics--those of you that known me personally and on this board know it to be true---I am not so starry-eyed and enamoured with Obama to think him the next Messiah.

He said quite clearly in his acceptance speech for us to not the entire hope upon his person. It will take a LONG time, perhaps not just his administration, nor the one to follow, to make things better. He will start it, he will lay the inroads, but it's really up to us to follow it through.

That is the future President Obama I believe in. I believe in the leader that can teach us, the faulty Americans, to realize that hope can come from the smallest of places and the biggest of dreams.
 
 
HCE
14:30 / 08.11.08
What? What does that even mean?
 
 
dark horse
17:15 / 08.11.08
come on man i think its obviously a right on sentiment we can all get behind.
 
 
grant
14:06 / 14.11.08
New Fireside Chats... on YouTube.

This Obama seems to be to the presidency what the 90s were to fashion & pop music. Best of bits of everything from the 20th century....
 
 
grant
14:40 / 17.11.08
And a certain underrepresented demographic celebrates Obama's win:

...when Leonard Nimoy was the guest on NPR's "Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me!" in September, he said that he had run into "one of the presidential candidates" and that that candidate had, upon seeing Nimoy, given him the Vulcan salute. He refused to name the candidate, but said he "was not John McCain."
 
 
Poke it with a stick
18:11 / 17.11.08
An interesting comparison between voting trends in southern states during this election and cotton picking regions from 1860:

Strange Maps bears strange fruit.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
13:26 / 28.11.08
Obama chooses Federal Reserve Execs and Chicago School Friedmanite to spearhead recovery plan and fix economy

Wtf? Aren't these the type of guys who advised Bush & Cheney? The type of guys who will advise social spending cuts, interest rate hikes and more privatization? Will Obama pull a 180?
 
 
wicker woman
04:44 / 04.12.08
I'm not too worried, or at least I'm trying not to be. I thought Obama was highly intelligent before November 4th, and I doubt he's turned into a dunderhead in the interim since. I'm assuming / hoping he has decent reasons for making the choices that he has.
 
 
dark horse
19:49 / 05.12.08
yeah i for one am willing to trust what we know about the guy, his personality, what a cool, smart, likable guy he is, and not worry too much about the details of who he appoints to bueraucratic jobs or the ins and outs of policy details.
 
 
museum in time, tiger in space
04:22 / 09.12.08
Wtf? Aren't these the type of guys who advised Bush & Cheney? The type of guys who will advise social spending cuts, interest rate hikes and more privatization? Will Obama pull a 180?

I'm interested to hear your precise problem with Volcker. He's 81, which I suppose could be an issue. Otherwise, he seems like a pretty reasonable choice - very experienced, and very well-respected by more or less everyone.

He is famous, I admit, for deliberately causing a recession through massive interest rate increases. It was an extremely controversial move at the time, but is much less so now, as it seems most people accept that it was both necessary and effective. I could be wrong about that, though. As for privatisation - what exactly do you see being privatised?

Volcker's probably most clearly differentiated from the present administration in his attitude to consumerism - he doesn't like it much. He also thinks it's important for governments to be able to control financial instituions. From here:

His concerns go to the very core of how America lives and how Wall Street operates. A child of the Great Depression and a man of legendary personal thrift, Volcker thinks Americans have been living above their means for too long. "It is the United States as a whole that became addicted to spending and consuming beyond its capacity to produce," ... Bringing consumption back in line with income would not only crimp individuals and families, but also require major readjustments in the global economy, which has relied on the U.S. as consumer of last resort.
Volcker has become a skeptic of modern Wall Street, worried that the nation's entire financial system has evolved to a point that the government no longer has effective control over all of its important components. And the financial industry has become beholden to complex financial engineering that clouds the picture.


Anyway, as I say I'm keen to hear the reasoning for your doubts about Volcker and the others (who I admit I know a lot less about). Who do you think would be better?
 
 
grant
16:17 / 09.12.08
Oh, dear.

The Illinois governor has just been arrested for attempting to sell Obama's senate seat.
 
 
wicker woman
05:01 / 10.12.08
yeah i for one am willing to trust what we know about the guy, his personality, what a cool, smart, likable guy he is, and not worry too much about the details of who he appoints to bueraucratic jobs or the ins and outs of policy details.

Yes, because that's exactly what I said. Way to be a jackass.

My point being that Obama hasn't magically become destined to be a horrible President just because one doesn't agree with all of his cabinet picks, and that he may well have solid reasons for picking those people. NOT that we shouldn't discuss said picks. So are you done trying to score snark points now?
 
 
wicker woman
05:09 / 10.12.08
The Illinois governor has just been arrested for attempting to sell Obama's senate seat.

Republican blogs and talking heads are already abuzz with Obama's supposed connections to this guy; connections, that is, beyond Obama having once given him reelection advice and living in the same state. 10-1 says Rush Limbaugh manages to imply that Ayers, Rezko, Obama, and Blagojevich got together for weekly games of Risk before the week is out.

Confusion seems to reign over what exactly this means for selecting Obama's replacement...
 
 
dark horse
21:26 / 10.12.08
clay bear, why are you so mad? i was serious, and it's the same thing as obama himself has actually said, the change will come from him, so people shouldn't think that it matters that the people he appointed are insiders or whatever.
 
 
wicker woman
04:13 / 11.12.08
My fault then, all apologies. I thought you were dismissing my comment as just "Oh yes, let's just accept whatever Obama does and not examine it at all", or something similar.
 
 
grant
15:23 / 20.01.09
Well, he made it.
 
 
grant
15:29 / 20.01.09
Inaugural address.

Interesting how many references to weather there are in there... winter, currents, storms.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:09 / 20.01.09
The weather talk was interesting, nobody to blame for that. I noticed he stopped listing battlefields almost a generation ago. Having listened to it live on radio I'm curious to compare the visuals with this (rather entertaining/fascinating PDF) list of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques

Still, much more "of the times" than Mckain, and certainly less scary than a President Palin
 
 
Tsuga
00:18 / 21.01.09
Mr. Tricks, maybe you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh a little too much, if you believe any of that hypnosis bullshit. I mean, c'mon.

I, for one, am incredibly relieved that Bush is gone. I keep thinking about all of those people who now disapprove of him that thought it was a good idea to vote for him at all, let alone the second time. They're still around.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:03 / 21.01.09
I think my favorite response to his inaugural speech was made by MattS: "It was really good. I am disappointed that there are no references to giant killer robots, though. IN THE 21st CENTURY GLOBAL SUPREMACY WILL DETERMINED BY GIANT KILLER ROBOTS. Get with it, Obama."

I, for one, really liked it. It made me all teary-like.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
13:43 / 21.01.09
"We will restore science to its rightful place"

This, to me, was the most shocking, gob-smacking, fist-pumping-and-shouting-"YES!!!" line in the speech.

The whole speech was wonderful: fills one with hope and makes one a believer, but that line hooked me more than any other and sums up why he won.
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:40 / 21.01.09
Mr. Tricks, maybe you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh a little too much, if you believe any of that hypnosis bullshit. I mean, c'mon.

Haven't listened to Limbaugh in ages. I'm more fascinated by the idea that someone out there devoted so much time and energy towards constructing that outline, than I lend any substance to the actual argument.

It makes sense (to me at least) that a politician as ambitious as Obama would use every possible option available to him. Managing his body language seems like a logical component. Beyond that fascination, I to am much more gratified by his inauguration and the departure of Bush than I am remotely suspicious of any of the theories out there regarding his connections to "Chicago politics" or what ever else.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
20:56 / 21.01.09
I found the last section of the speech utterly pukeworthy. I mean ffs, just once won't someone shut them up when they start on the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny. Bleuuuggghhhhh. This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed - why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall. Apart from presumably the heathens? Apart from that it was a good lesson in the many ways to criticise a government that has failed in every responsibility without overtly saying the words.
 
 
Thorn Davis
10:40 / 22.01.09
I thought he quite pointedly did give a shout out to the heathens:

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers.

It did seem to me to be a small step away from the constant 'God wants us to do it' rhetoric. I think the reference to non-religious people is quite rare in such a speech. Are there any other examples?
 
 
grant
16:24 / 22.01.09
This is an executive order revoking the secrecy of presidential records.

Things from Reagan and Bush 41 that were supposed to be released after 12 years (that Bush 43 made secret until further notice) are now open.

Reporters, start filing your FOIA requests.

---

Also, to nobody's surprise, White House tech situation was in a shambles.

"It is kind of like going from an Xbox to an Atari," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said of his new digs.

...

One member of the White House new-media team came to work on Tuesday, right after the swearing-in ceremony, only to discover that it was impossible to know which programs could be updated, or even which computers could be used for which purposes. The team members, accustomed to working on Macintoshes, found computers outfitted with six-year-old versions of Microsoft software. Laptops were scarce, assigned to only a few people in the West Wing. The team was left struggling to put closed captions on online videos.
 
  

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