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The Qaballistic/Genetic 12-Fold Tree of Life

 
  

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cykros
20:41 / 02.11.08
Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law!

So, I could just talk your ears off about this, but frankly I'm more interested in seeing what you guys come up with upon seeing it anyway. Let's just say this may change the face of modern Qaballah (for the Age of Aquarius in particular) as we have come to know it.

The Myriad of Sephiroth

Frater Cykros
93/696
Love is the Law, Love under Will.
 
 
EmberLeo
01:04 / 03.11.08
So, is this including Da'ath and one other, or leaving out Da'ath, and including two new? The picture is interestingly symmetrical, but I don't know how to unpack it beyond "oh, look, those are planetary symbols".

Elaborate, please?

--Ember--
 
 
Quantum
08:06 / 03.11.08
I could just talk your ears off about this

Please do, without context it looks like an Illuminatus prank
 
 
trouble at bill
09:55 / 03.11.08
Will have to stay out of this insofar as I don't think 100% objective mapping of the cosmos is possible. But I will be lurking with interest, as the debates always intrigue me! And yeah, I think we could all use a bit more commentary to explain the diagram pls...
 
 
Quantum
12:23 / 03.11.08
Frater Cykros, why is the cosmos 12 fold? What leads you to that conclusion? What inspired you to revise the tree of life? What do the symbols stand for? "Numbering begins with Disvnns..." what's that? Why have you named it Discord?

And most importantly why do you want other people to explain the diagram you've created?
"...the High priest of Psyche-Eros leaves these matters to each Aspirant to divine for hirself as Hir Daimon may reveal. Commentary on this diagram will follow, to be written by those who Will to do so."
Don't you Will to do so? If you as the creator can't be bothered to explain it why would anyone else care enough to try?
 
 
cykros
15:35 / 03.11.08
Oh, I'll be adding my own commentary on it eventually, frankly the whole thing came to me a bit quickly and I figured it was best to open up channels of input while I have time to get organized enough to write one.

However, I will explain a few things. Da'ath is still there...however it is now a full sephirah. The symbols, from top to bottom and right to left, go as follows:
Eris
Pluto
Neptune
Saturn
Uranus
Jupiter
Mars
Sol
Venus
Mercury
Luna
and, well the X in malkuth as in traditional drawings.

Generally it is said that it was the Fall of Man that left Da'ath as a shadowy sephirah, and malkuth dangling. It strikes me that this may be a method of organization that can bring about a more balanced approach, and get past the Restriction that is Sin...particularly now that the Crown of Kether is trumped by Eris.

The Hebrew next to Discord is merely the Hebrew translation of discord, just as all of the other names of sephiroth are also the hebrew translations of Crown, Wisdom, Understanding, etc.

And, as for why 12 fold? Well, DNA, the building blocks of microcosmic life as we know it, is composed of 12 pairs of strands. And given that the Universe is holographic, it would seem that the best way to map the macrocosm would at the very least make the map mirror the microcosm as best as possible.

And one last note for now. Uranus is the ruling planet of the sign of Aquarius. Given that the age of aquarius, following the precession of the equinoxes, is quite near, it would seem fitting to bring it out of the shadows and into the light. I have always interpreted the Jungian concept of individuation as being the process of removing the dividers that separate self and other, both "internally" and "externally", whatever those words may mean.

Obviously though, this is very little information compared to the amount contained within something like Crowley's 777 or other such qaballistic writings, so I'm aware its only a very minimal account. It will take a bit of further study to see if the tree can really function in this form or if its merely a bit of a pipe dream I had, or if it will just take a bit of tweaking. This refinement process is ultimately what I am hoping to open up to everyone, as I'm not exactly the most well versed in things like the tarot. It was already brought to my attention by another person that the changing of the numbering may have been a bit abrupt, so that, along with perhaps the labelling of the paths, may need to be changed.

And as for the suggestion that there cannot be an objective map of the Universe, well, I couldn't agree more. But then, when was the last time you heard a fable that was an objective story? Objectivity seems very minor compared to Truth in terms of importance. To quote the great Alan Moore's novel "V for Vendetta", "Artists use lie to tell the truth".

Hope that answers the questions, I guess I was just kind of assuming everyone had the symbols and everything memorized...

Cykros
 
 
EmberLeo
18:17 / 03.11.08
Why would you assume everyone here is a Qabalist such that we would feel a need to memorize all that? It's certainly not the only form of esoteric knowledge out there.

It happens I do know the planetary symbols from Astrology, so I did catch that you've put Eris trumping the Crown, but I didn't know what your reasoning was, nor do I know anything like enough about the original chart to derive tremendous significance from modifications to it, and I definitely don't read Hebrew, or recognize the individual graphemes of that Alephbet.

My knee-jerk reaction is that it's presumptuous - I'm not comfortable with the idea of replacing the Unknowable/Ineffable with Discord (which is a rather specific form of Chaos) - I thought the whole point was that above Kether was the ultimate, overwhelming Harmony of All? But again, I haven't studied this deeply, so I have no idea if that observation is actually applicable.

--Ember--
 
 
cykros
23:11 / 03.11.08
Well, I guess my assumption was in part due to the heavy comic readership, and perhaps anime and such. While I have read a few books specifically on qaballah, I'd have to say things like Alan Moore's Promethea really had a lot to do with picking it all up in the first place. Anyway, it was clearly not a correct assumption.

As for the ineffable, well, that would seem to be if anything not Kether, or that which is below Kether even, but rather the 3 negative veils of Ain (Nothing), Ain Soph (No Limits), and Ain Soph Aur (Limitless Light). They tend not to be drawn on the tree, and their actual symbolism is debatable, as it is feasible that they are meant to characterize the tree as a whole, or that they are aimed to be that which is beyond the tree. In any case, it is by no means my intention to suggest that the top of a tree is "more god" than the bottom... That has never been an idea I've seen proliferated, at least explicitly, except perhaps by some primitive forms of gnosticism and more commonly, the dualism of the more incoherent forms of christianity.

In any case, I suppose it may be helpful to refer people to the Golden Dawn knowledge lectures for any basic info on qaballah and tarot, as it's not really my intention to try to rewrite the original material, nor do I really feel that I'd articulate it nearly as well as its already been articulated by the traditional sources.
 
 
Quantum
08:21 / 04.11.08
This is setting off warning bells for me when you say now that the Crown of Kether is trumped by Eris. Why is that the case? What prompted you to rearrange the tree with Eris at the top? Is this just a Discordian tree?
If you felt that the macrocosm should reflect the microcosm, why DNA? Why not make it a circle, or a wave form, or a nucleus with a shell? It just looks like you've spiced up the tree with some extra discordian bits, like Ripley strapping a flamethrower to a gun.

 
 
EmberLeo
09:07 / 04.11.08
Okay, so presuming I know a reasonable amount about the Tarot, but not specifically from a Qabalistic perspective? Now am I worthy of explanations?

It sounds like you're saying I should either know enough that the significance to you is self-evident, or else I don't know enough for it to be worth your while to bother explaining.

And yes, Ein Soph etc. is usually outside the tree - drawn right above Kether... which is where you've now put Discord, hence my disturbance.

--Ember--
 
 
Quantum
10:02 / 04.11.08
Ember, the Tarot won't map- too many connectors. Unless Cykros adds some extra major arcana (Eris and Discord etc. one assumes) the systems won't mesh, if they ever really did.

Cykros- why Eris, Pluto, Neptune etc? Are you following physical planets, in which case why ignore the other dwarf planets like Pluto, Ceres, Haumea and Makemake? Is the physical object Eris one reason you re-jigged the tree, or was it twelve fold symmetry and you picked extra planets to fit?
 
 
LykeX
10:09 / 04.11.08
And, as for why 12 fold? Well, DNA, the building blocks of microcosmic life as we know it, is composed of 12 pairs of strands.

Pardon? Would you mind explaining that?
I'm only familiar with double-stranded DNA and googling 12 strands only leads to some rather dubious sites. You know, the kind with people talking about what the angels told them and then next they try to sell you something.
 
 
Quantum
12:37 / 04.11.08
Like this site?

Medical science has established that we have 2 strands of DNA and 10 strands of “junk” DNA, but they have not understood the purpose of that “junk” DNA. Recent information has revealed its higher purpose; supporting a multidimensional consciousness, our natural state....

...Because DNA is holographic, it can be simultaneously realigned, reconnected and activated. ...

...Once your 12 DNA strands are plugged back into your 12 Crown Chakra Crystals, your Genetics Engineer’s and Recoding Guide’s jobs are nearly complete...
 
 
LykeX
14:07 / 04.11.08
Yes, Quantum, exactly like that, complete with links to the online store and everything.

I'm left wondering why my teachers haven't mentioned the ten junk strands that "medical science" has apparently discovered. Presumably, it has something to do with the reptilian conspiracy.
 
 
Quantum
14:20 / 04.11.08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_DNA

In molecular biology, junk DNA is a provisional label for the portions of the DNA sequence of a chromosome or a genome for which no function has been identified. Scientists expect to find functions for some, but not all, of this provisionally classified collection. About 95% of the human genome has been designated as "junk", including most sequences within introns and most intergenic DNA. While much of this sequence may be an evolutionary artifact that serves no present-day purpose, some junk DNA may function in ways that are not currently understood.


http://www.sunhealer.com/12strands.html

Why do you think there are twelve? For those who don't believe you have twelve, we ask you then to simply look at the two you do believe in. When you look at the two visible biological strands, what do you see in the organization of them? The answer is that you see the pattern of four repeated three times.... over and over and over. So your biology and your DNA structure is base twelve!
...
There is another attribute we have talked about regarding DNA. It is the birth of the new children called "Indigo." This is a planetary attribute, dear ones.
...
(Kryon often speaks of the 12 strands of DNA, many of which are not chemical and therefore not seen.)



Take your choice, molecular biology or indigo children. I err toward the chemical DNA strands which are seen, rather than the non-chemical invisible DNA strands which raise your spiritual consciousness and give you kids that are like X-men.
Wait! 95% of the human genome is plenty of space for mutant genes for superpowers! w00t!
 
 
Ilumen
06:22 / 05.11.08
Discordians strike again! I wonder how many other magicians are spending time trying to figure this out?

That said, "all prophets are true" and by this logic there may be something in this after all.
 
 
EmberLeo
07:19 / 05.11.08
Ember, the Tarot won't map- too many connectors. Unless Cykros adds some extra major arcana (Eris and Discord etc. one assumes) the systems won't mesh, if they ever really did.

I'm pretty sure that when I counted the connector lines, he made the Hebrew alephbet map, so the Major Arcana still will. For the Minor Arcana I had a kind of an odd idea of what might happen if we added a 0 card to every suit, but I was half asleep at the time and can't remember it anymore. I think it had to do with the idea of a card representing the distinct absence of the element in question...

That said, I was responding to his comment that he expected "to refer people to the Golden Dawn knowledge lectures for any basic info on qaballah and tarot", which struck me as a cop-out.

"Well if you don't know, I'm certainly not going to tell you" offends me as a general concept. But maybe I'm just being pissy.

--Ember--
 
 
Quantum
07:26 / 05.11.08
You're quite right, looking more closely I notice there are 22 connectors, he's removed a load connecting to Tiphereth to compensate, compare;



 
 
LykeX
10:07 / 05.11.08
A short, more kabbalah-oriented reply:

My first reaction to it is unfavorable. I think it's because, while it's symmetrical, it's not balanced at all. It lacks the harmonic center of the original, where Tiphareth works as the connector between the physical and the spiritual.
This may simply be a matter of personal taste, but to me the old tree is beautiful, this new one isn't.

Another issue is, that with the reorganization, many of the path meanings will have to be reinterpreted or completely changed. Example:

Teth - Traditionally balancing Geburah and Chesed and associated with the Tarot card Strength, showing a young woman closing the jaws of a lion. So, gentle mercy tempering destructive power. Perfectly harmonious.

New Tree: Connects Chokmah with Hod, which means... what? Damned if I know. I can't find heads or tails in it.
I thought a bit about knowing vs. doing, as in Chokmah; pure action and Hod being knowledge. However, Hod is mercurial knowledge, which is more like curiosity than stale, inactive knowing.
Before there was balance, now there is confusion. I guess Eris really is on top.

My point is, the tree is so interconnected, that you can't simply change one part without a serious reworking of all the other parts. To make this new tree work (which could be done, I'm sure. I'm not knocking the idea itself), would require reworking every sephirah, every path, every correspondence and all their interconnections.

With that much work ahead, there'd have to be one huge carrot waiting at the end. Is there?
 
 
Papess
19:50 / 05.11.08
I like that there is no centre in this new tree, if only because there really isn't an actual centre anywhere at all.
 
 
EmberLeo
02:08 / 06.11.08
Well, there is, it's where many paths cross - but it seems a little strange to me that there's no node there...

It's weird, I can't say the old tree ever resonated with me, and 12's normally do resonate very strongly with me as "complete". But this isn't resonating with me any more than the old one, despite the shift.

I think because it doesn't make sense to me where Discord was put, as one end of a structure, rather than at it's heart, throughout it in various ways, or outside it entirely. This is an awfully strong, structured, orderly, sturdy place to be putting something like Discord.

--Ember--
 
 
EmberLeo
02:17 / 06.11.08
Oh dear, I just realized how the Minor Arcana might map, using my 0 card idea, and the existing set.

0 for Discord - Absence of the positive force
1-10 for the others above Malkuth
4 Court Cards spread in the 4 elemental sectors of Malkuth

The question is, does that work properly for the cards themselves?

--Ember--
 
 
Papess
03:23 / 06.11.08
Well, there is, it's where many paths cross.

I meant in actuality, in the actual universe. There is of course a centre on the glyph. Just that it is not represented is interesting since the actual centre of the universe could be anywhere.

Anyway, it seems the moment has passed.
 
 
Quantum
10:12 / 06.11.08
Yeah, I don't know if cykros is returning to explain.

Any sort of re-working of traditional structures like this is going to run into the same sorts of problems i.e. why do it in the first place, an insufficient understanding of the original structure and the knock on effects with other symbolic connections.
Usually people do it because they have a compelling desire to do so to emphasise one aspect dear to them (in this case Discord) which is why you get Unicorn Tarot and the like, trying to force mystical systems to conform to a pet theory or passion.

It can be interesting as an academic exercise (can I make a shape like the tree from 12 instead of 10 nodes?), but what I object to in this case is the assumption that it's a revelation the audience should dedicate themselves to decoding, like gnosis handed down from on high, with no indication of the reasoning behind it or the credentials of the author.
 
 
EmberLeo
01:09 / 07.11.08
*nod* Yeah, I have little interest in it as a Revelation From On High, but I have to admit, I found some of the intellectual exercise aspects fairly interesting.

I know I'll be chewing on the 0 of Wands/Cups/Swords/Pentacles idea for a while, anyway, but I can't say I'm all that invested in it tying into this 12 node tree specifically.

--Ember--
 
 
cykros
03:13 / 15.11.08
Well, you've all made some good points. To be clear, I am not usually heavy into research on DNA, so my explanation is a bit blotchy, but I know I've definitely seen 12 come up quite a bit...but looking about now I can't say its something I can necessarily come up with much about. Perhaps it was some of the more dubious information, etc. In any case, the base-12 has come up numerous times in western occultism, from the 12 helpers of Mithra to the 12 tribes of israel, the 12 disciples of jesus, and the 12 signs of the zodiac. So I wouldn't entirely abandon the idea of a 12 fold tree based only on genetics.

As to the paths, as I mentioned, they were kind of just tossed on there in the way I intuitively saw to draw them, but the attributions and perhaps even positionings are definitely something I'd imagine would need to be fixed, or at least heavily looked into for information.

To the matter of the other dwarf planets, well, to be honest I'm not all too read up on them all. Also, I've actually started considering that instead of Eris, the astroid belt may be an interesting item to try to work in, as its mass is certainly quite a bit greater, not to mention it would probably make a nice centering influence, particularly given that it is always occupying a uniform position around the sun (but of course, not the earth...this may have some interesting implications). And for Pluto as a dwarf planet, I'd hardly take the word of a tiny minority of astronomers gathering in a closed room as anything worth changing the whole science around. It's things like this that has led science from its lofty ideals to a den of witch doctors serving the highest bidders.

The real benefit I'd have to say to something like this is that I see quite a bit of a power that can be harnessed by reformulating the arbitrary but fairly universal model of organizing reality amongst the western mystical traditions, particularly when the older model is quite monarchial to begin with. Also, Da'ath is certainly a matter of curiosity, as the ways of referring to it are all extremely vague. Some say it was once a sephirah, but no longer is...to this I ask when did this change and why? And also, can it be reversed? Should it be? Many questions, and this exercise which kind of just came to me one day seemed to be an interesting one to look into. Do I think it's a better model than the old tree? Well, first off it's not complete. And even if it were complete, it can't really be said that any model will be any better necessarily, as any qaballistic teacher worth his salt will point out that its arbitrary to begin with. A different, and perhaps better question to ask though, is, "Is it better to have a multitude of models in order to show different ways of looking, or to have one model in order to maintain focus and uniformity so as to dispell confusion?" To this I can't say there is necessarily an answer, at least pending experimentation. Science has generally tended towards the latter method of thought, while art has tended towards the former. Being magickians, we are stuck with the task of fusing science and art. Do what thou wilt.

cykros.
 
 
Papess
13:25 / 15.11.08
Not too many years ago, Barbelithers tried to develop a 23rd Tarot card. I can't remember for certain, but I think it was called the "Grail" card or something. There was some linking of The Grail card to DNA as well as it would be the 22nd card, but the trumps would then be 23 in number. Which might be helpful to you when restructuring the Tree. This might be significant on Wikipedia:

"The double helix is a right-handed spiral. As the DNA strands wind around each other, they leave gaps between each set of phosphate backbones, revealing the sides of the bases inside (see animation). There are two of these grooves twisting around the surface of the double helix: one groove, the major groove, is 22 Å wide and the other, the minor groove, is 12 Å wide."

Anyway, enough nostalgia. Cykros, I am thinking about how you find the Tree arbitrary. While I can agree with this, The Tree largely based on our solar system giving it far more definition and limitation than say, Ye Ching or the Tarot. Yet, these systems seem to be supportive of each other. They become less arbitrary through association.
 
 
electric monk
16:04 / 17.11.08
I'm going to have to disagree with the notion that the Tree of Life model is arbitrary. I believe there's a case to be made that the model is flexible, but to say that the structure is arbitrary... Well, I'd point to LykeX's excellent example above as a refutation of that particular definition.
 
 
Papess
20:10 / 17.11.08
Finklestein, at the risk of seeming fickle, I actually agree that the model of the Tree is not arbitrary. However, the associations may seem to many to be arbitrary. Which I can understand. I have seen people here respond to the Tree this way. What supports the placement of the sephira? Why is Binah's colour crimson in Atziluth? People may think it arbitrary if not immersed in the it's methodology.
 
 
Quantum
09:02 / 18.11.08
Thanks for coming back to us cykros, I found this very interesting-

I've actually started considering that instead of Eris, the astroid belt may be an interesting item to try to work in, as its mass is certainly quite a bit greater, not to mention it would probably make a nice centering influence, particularly given that it is always occupying a uniform position around the sun (but of course, not the earth...this may have some interesting implications).

Why is mass important? For example, Jupiter masses more than all the other planets combined, and the sun is a thousand times more massive than that.
I certainly agree it would be interesting to work with the asteroid belt (which maybe used to be a planet called Vulcan similar to Mars, since destroyed- Da'ath?) but surely astronomical mass has nothing to do with occult significance...
 
 
Quantum
09:04 / 18.11.08
Actually the main-belt-as-destroyed-planet theory turns out to be unlikely;

The asteroid belt formed from the primordial solar nebula as a group of planetesimals, the smaller precursors of the planets. Between Mars and Jupiter, however, gravitational perturbations from the giant planet imbued the planetesimals with too much orbital energy for them to accrete into a planet. Collisions became too violent, and instead of sticking together, the planetesimals shattered. As a result, most of the main belt's mass has been lost since the formation of the Solar System.

More like a stillborn planet.
 
 
Papess
11:24 / 18.11.08
Funny, I always thought that the Asteroid belt was an association to Da'ath.
 
 
WireHead
23:16 / 18.11.08
I'm glad this thread popped up, because I've had some strange insights into the tree of life lately.

I have a degree in physics, and lately I've been trying to teach myself the mathematics behind theoretical extensions of the standard model of particle physics. You may have heard recently of Garrett Lisi, the freelance surfer physicist and his paper, An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything (can be found here). After reading the paper and delving into the discussion surrounding it, it became clear that the theory has some flaws that prevent it from being a true "theory of everything," and was mostly sensationalized by the media which latched onto Garrett's unique character. Nevertheless, the theory is quite beautiful.

(Garrett gave a TED talk recently, I highly recommend that you check it out, especially if you're a layman.)

So, his theory claims that all of the fundamental particles and forces that make up the universe as we know it are actually all one and the same thing, being seen through different symmetrical rotations: namely, the E8 Lie Group. I also highly recommend you check that link, the diagrams would likely intrigue any occultist. E8 is quite exceptional for a number of reasons, including its beauty.

Now, what initially triggered this is when I noticed the number of dimensions of E8's adjoint representation: 248. From this website on Lurianic Kabbalah:
"According to Chayyim Vital, a Partzuf is an aspect or 'face' of the divinity, structured like a person with '248 limbs' and arranged in a pattern encompassing all ten Sefirot."

But wait! Delving deeper into the term "Partzuf," from this glossary on kabbalistic terminology:

"Partzuf ('personae' or 'profile'; pl. partzufim):
A partzuf is the third and final stage in the development of a sefirah, in which it metamorphoses from a tenfold articulation of sub-sefirot into a human-like figure ... it may thus interact with the other partzufim (which could not occur before this transformation)."

Each Partzuf has "248 limbs," and only manifests as the final stage of God emanating down to the physical; only after this can the Partzufim interact with each other. The parallels to E8's "248-fold fiber bundle" being the basis of all particles and forces should be clear.

What about the 10 sefirot? Well, it's no surprise that modern occultists like to add Da'ath as number 11. The "mother of all string theories," M-Theory, describes a universe of 10 or 11 dimensions. The basic idea is that the universe began as a quantum mechanical fluctuation in 10- (or 11-)dimensional space: four of those dimensions then rapidly expanded during the big bang inflationary epoch, leaving 6 (or 7) "curled up" in small, compactified dimensions. The four simply-connected dimensions became our familiar 3-space plus time, the others are invisible to us except insofar as they structure the inner properties of fundamental particles and forces.

Again, returning to the modern (and well-accepted) theory of particle physics, the only reason we see different particles is that their basic unity, their symmetry, was broken as the universe expanded and cooled into a vacuum state, in a process known as "spontaneous symmetry breaking."

Furthermore, this resembles the Kabbalistic notion of Kelim: the ten (or eleven) sephirot as vessels that broke as they tried to contain the light of God's emanation (see the Breaking of the Vessels ).


So, what exactly am I getting at? To me, it sounds like ancient mystics and some speculative modern theoretical physics are both describing the same phenomena as responsible for giving rise to the physical world as we see it: the 248-fold Godhead / E8 supergroup was originally one, unity, before there was time. In a violent process known as the "big bang," this unified quantum field expanded over 10 dimensions / emanated itself down through the 10 sefirot, ultimately shattering the remarkable & beautiful unity and manifesting as what appears to us to be the many, differentiated forms that constitute the physical universe.

I have more I could post, but this is already practically a book. Take it as you will.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
10:30 / 26.11.08
lots to chew on in this thread.

I was contemplating the Tree of Life some while ago, and my mind started playing tricks with it. I rotated the tree around Tifereth, removed the paths from Malkuth to Netsach & Hod, and came up with this design:



there are 20 + 1 sephiroth.

I wouldn't consider this Quabbalistic in any respect, but it does reflect the 4 worlds in a non~hierarchical function.

As for the numerological aspects of DNA:

there are 64 codons (those are groups of 3 base pairs) which are responsible for creating the 20 amino acids.

around the central sephiroth, there's an inner box of 8 (8x8 - 64) and the outer box of 12 (12 + 8 = 20).

anyway, this image is being used in developing a similar holistic system that has the process of "becoming" as its base.

but I don't want to rot the thread, just to throw another Tree of Life derivation into the mix.
 
 
EmberLeo
19:36 / 26.11.08
cykros: And for Pluto as a dwarf planet, I'd hardly take the word of a tiny minority of astronomers gathering in a closed room as anything worth changing the whole science around. It's things like this that has led science from its lofty ideals to a den of witch doctors serving the highest bidders.

*cringe* Um, have you actually read up on their reasoning at all? Or are you just discarding it as an arbitrary decision?

--Ember--
 
  

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