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Quantum
13:55 / 29.10.08
There's probably no God "Atheist bus campaign smashes fundraising target 20-fold"

Weird. I'm very tempted to raise money for a Nihilist/Hedonist campaign and create adverts that say 'We're probably all doomed, fuck it - go to the pub"

What other ideologies will start advertising in the wake of this success?
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
14:45 / 29.10.08
I always wondered if I would have the cops calling on me if I went door to door giving out pamphlets extolling the virtues of Satanism. I'm not a satinist, but I claim to be to any J'sW or Mormon who rings my place on a weeknight/end. I would imagine that certain things are frowned upon when brought door-to-door.

I applaud the Bus ad: I like the use of the word "probably". If it was, say, Baptists advertising they would say something like "Jesus is God!", but in truth, they don't know that, and in fact, there may be proof to the contrary.

I'd like to see more existentialist advertising. I was thrilled to see "Bob" from the Church of the Subgenius stenciled on a wall in Quebec City with the words, "Ceci n'est pas un grafitti" in blue spraypaint. If I remember I'll post a pic I took...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:42 / 29.10.08
I can't help feeling that £100,000+ could have been donated to more useful causes.
 
 
dark horse
16:12 / 29.10.08
no way man this will really make those fundies think again!
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:19 / 29.10.08
100K for Athiests is nothing compared to the millions upon millions given to tele-evangelists. I can't begrudge them that...
 
 
Quantum
16:28 / 29.10.08
Better causes in *your* opinion, obviously the people who donated the money thought it was important, and they get to decide what to do with their cash. If you think other causes are more worthy start fundraising.

Anyway $100k isn't that much in the scheme of things;

"The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later they were both eaten by a killer whale."
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:35 / 29.10.08
%Maybe we could give the 100K to a bank as a part of a bailout package.%
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:38 / 29.10.08
Perhaps members of Anonymous could pitch in and get a bus advert. I think that's worthy...

Maybe a "Free David Kernell" ad: Nobody talks about the fact that he hacked an illegal email account...
 
 
Quantum
16:51 / 29.10.08
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:14 / 29.10.08
Perhaps members of Anonymous could pitch in and get a bus advert. I think that's worthy...

How about "There're DEFINITELY no Thetans. Now stop worrying and enjoy your own money".
 
 
jamesPD
19:27 / 29.10.08
Hmmm. Near-lifelong atheist here, but I've gotta say I'd much prefer the funds be used to defend things like the prevention of teaching creationism in schools, or opposing legislation that infringes on homosexual rights or a Woman's right to choice, on religious grounds. Atheists might smirk and feel good about themselves when they see the bus go past (I certainly did), but I doubt it'll convert any believers.

Slightly OTish, but people in this thread might be interested in the recent conversation between Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry on blasphemy (Direct link to ~30MB MP3 here). As usual, the Hitch annoys and talks way too much, but it's still quite an entertaining listen.
 
 
jamesPD
19:29 / 29.10.08
Bollicks. That's not recent at all is it? Sorry folks, I only came across it recently, but it's actually from two years ago when the government attempted to pass religous hatred laws.

Sorry again.
 
 
Triplets
19:56 / 29.10.08
Tease.

How about "There're DEFINITELY no Thetans. Now stop worrying and enjoy your own money".

Genius.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
21:34 / 29.10.08
Atheists might smirk and feel good about themselves when they see the bus go past (I certainly did), but I doubt it'll convert any believers.

Is it really supposed to do anything? I can't care much either way, but I was under the impression that people mostly just gave money 'cause it's a bit of a larf, innit. Would anyone complain if £100K was spent plastering buses with pictures of zombies for the entertainment value?*

*Obviously that's not the only reason anyone's complaining, but for those who are...
 
 
museum in time, tiger in space
00:34 / 30.10.08
Anyway $100k isn't that much in the scheme of things

Well, for one thing that link says it was £100,000, not $100,000. And if you're serious about that not being a lot of money then you've clearly never been involved in any kind of small, locally-based charity. A hundred thousand pounds could make a real difference for a homeless shelter, or a respite care organisation.
 
 
museum in time, tiger in space
00:40 / 30.10.08
And, without wanting to be rude, this:

If it was, say, Baptists advertising they would say something like "Jesus is God!", but in truth, they don't know that, and in fact, there may be proof to the contrary.


made my brain feel sad.
 
 
dark horse
03:38 / 30.10.08
why so sad dude?
 
 
Quantum
09:10 / 30.10.08
That was my typo, it was £ you're right. But £100k, while it would be a lot to me or you, or to the local cat's protection league is not a large amount when discussing advertising campaigns;
"Presidential candidate Barack Obama has reached out to US voters in a half-hour, prime-time advertisement on seven US TV channels. Mr Obama's half-hour TV spot was shown on CBS, Fox and NBC, at a cost of about $1m (£630,000) per network"

So, that half hour advert cost £4,410,000. That's 220 bus campaigns, I think the money would have been better spent on helping old people with their fuel bills. Or buying little hats for monkeys frankly, what a preposterous waste of cash.

Even that sort of profligate spending is nothing compared to the money thrown around by governments, here's a random news story from yesterday;
UK Government to spend 700 million pound on armoured vehicles
"I'm pleased today to be able to announce the planned investment of over 700 million pounds to deliver new and improved protected vehicles to our armed forces, particularly in Afghanistan. We will be buying 700 new vehicles (and) upgrading over 200 more," Brown told parliament.

So that's a million pounds per vehicle, and £700m is more than a tenner each from every person in the UK. Puts the bus poster into perspective, doesn't it?
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
09:52 / 30.10.08
made my brain feel sad.

Wasn't intended as a specific attack: it was a loose example of religious certainty which tends to lead to trouble. The Baptist faith popped into my mind, but I coud have as easily used JCCoLDS or Islam as an example. Sorry for the sadness.

I'm so sad that there's such a negative reaction to Athiests promting their message. As stated by others, 100K (I know it's pounds, but I can't be arsed to re-configure my keyboard at the present moment...) could be used for better purposes but why target this particular ad? When someone is hocking cosmetics or clothing brand it costs the same to advertise, but they aren't expected to "put their money to better use...". The Athiests who paid for the ad feel marginalized and want to be heard: to say that they would be better off sheltering homeless people is somewhat insulting and makes light of what they believe to be a valid cause.

While there are many religions who put money to social development and do worthy things like run shelters and kitchens, it represents a fraction of the wealth that many of these religions weild. There are times they offer their charity free of strings, but sometimes they use their charity to proseltyze.
 
 
Lurid Archive
10:41 / 30.10.08
I didn't and probably wouldn't give money to this, but I don't think it is wrong of them to buy this advertising either. I'm also pretty suspicious of remarks that this £100k could have been better spent elsewhere since that involves an implicit ordering of priorities which is essentially impossible to maintain with any degree of consistency for us decadent westerners.

I mean, £100k could easily be raised by about 100 people over a year if they stop spending on entertainments, probably, and then contributed to the *most* worthy cause. But no one says, "hey I don't go to the cinema because I think of all the starving people in the world". Even if you don't accept that, it still seems there is a double standard being applied with religious versus atheist advertising.
 
 
Quantum
11:35 / 30.10.08
I think the religious advertising I see and that atheist advert are on a par. Posters for the Alpha course seem just as pointless to me as the atheist bus, who's going to have their religious views affected by an advert?
Maybe I'm underestimating the power of marketing, but when I see the empty rooms in the Alpha course meetings it makes me think it's a lot of effort for minimal results, rather like Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on doors.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
13:35 / 30.10.08
Here in Ottawa we see equal parts Pro-Life advertising on busses (Basically fear driven ads - "Scared, pregnant, don't know where to turn? Call (XXX)xxx-xxxx" Then they get through to a pro-life "Councelor" who procedes to tell them that abortion is murder...)and Planned Parenthood ads, saying that you have choices and alternatives.

A lot of "Family First" brought to you by the JCCoLDS...

Sometimes it does feel like religion is rammed down our throats without an opposing voice. I think the Athiest ads in London are poorly thought out, but the beginning of a bigger and better Idea.
 
 
The Idol Rich
14:31 / 30.10.08
I think the religious advertising I see and that atheist advert are on a par. Posters for the Alpha course seem just as pointless to me as the atheist bus, who's going to have their religious views affected by an advert?
Maybe I'm underestimating the power of marketing, but when I see the empty rooms in the Alpha course meetings it makes me think it's a lot of effort for minimal results, rather like Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on doors.


My feeling is that this isn't an advert in the sense that it's an attempt to recruit people to atheism. More likely it is simply using the excuse of being equivalent to religious advertising (if that in itself does constitute advertising) to occupy the same space and to say that people who hold religious beliefs are not the only ones who can project their beliefs or ideas into the public domain - so in that sense it is on a par. I also suspect that it is a deliberate attempt to mildly offend a few people (of the kind who feel that they have a right not be be offended) and to cause a few others to smile and nod their head in agreement.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:49 / 30.10.08
Better causes in *your* opinion

Yes, Quantum. Which, if you read my tiny, incey-wincey little post again, is how I expressed it.
 
 
jamesPD
13:03 / 06.11.08
Short piece on the New Humanist weblog which includes an MP3 of Ariane Sherine asking the London public about the campaign.
 
 
trouble at bill
17:03 / 18.01.09
Some updates on this for you all:

UK bus driver refuses to drive busses bearing said adverts.

Meanwhile Australia, noted for its devout population*, refuses to display similar ads.**

* Yep, sarcasm and stereotyping there. So sue me.
** Daily Telegraph link, so be warned. It's worksafe, but it is a notoriously right-wing publication which may be why it's one of the few UK papers to run the story.
 
 
Triplets
09:15 / 19.01.09
Fair play to the bus driver. If I believed in any of that I'd be wary too of anything that would risk my arse burning forever in a lake of fire.
 
 
Dead Megatron
12:42 / 19.01.09
Atheist ad: "There's probably no God!"

Possible religious reply ad: "Do you really wanna risk it?"
 
 
trouble at bill
12:49 / 19.01.09
It's what Pascal would have wanted...
 
 
trouble at bill
13:04 / 19.01.09
Ooh look, now Italy bans them, too.
 
 
Triplets
14:24 / 19.01.09
On the other hand, if you're that concerned about some words and pictures how strong can your faith actually be, eh?
 
 
Bandini
17:36 / 19.02.09
Lazily copied from Richard Dawkins website:

The latest to hit the streets with pro-God buses are The Christian Party, the Trinitarian Bible Society and the Russian Orthodox Church. The Christian Party is paying for buses to carry the slogan: 'There definitely is a God. So join the Christian Party and enjoy your life.' The Trinitarian Bible Society has chosen a line from Psalm 53: 'The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.'

I don't think it even warrants an explanation as to why these are idiotic. I think I read somewhere that the atheist bus campaign got in trouble about substantiating their claim but this was thrown out as obviously ludicrous. I hope the same is applied to "There definitely is a God". I'm going to try and complain to the advertising standards people or whoever deals with this sort of thing. If anyone has any advice on how to do that it would be appreciated.

I first found out about these when I saw one and almost got whiplash double-taking. They have made me laugh quite a lot but they are a bit scary really.
 
 
Quantum
09:30 / 24.02.09
if you're that concerned about some words

see The Bible.
 
 
feline
00:52 / 04.03.09
Is it really supposed to do anything? I can't care much either way, but I was under the impression that people mostly just gave money 'cause it's a bit of a larf, innit.

I guess it's a bit of a larf if you live in a country where you can take for granted that this kind of campaign is legal. Here in Australia, where the slogan 'Atheism - celebrate reason!' was deemed disciminatory, anyone concerned with freedom of speech is not laughing all that much.
 
 
feline
00:55 / 04.03.09
oops, forgot to switch off bold after the first para. Sorry.
 
  

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