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Should I stay or should I go...now?

 
 
Mr. E
03:27 / 16.10.08
So I'm here looking for rumination on relocation. I'm stuck somewhere between "Wherever you go, there you are" and "Sometimes a change of scenery changes everything."

Is it irrational to dislike where you live? Is it a sign of personal failure that I’m not able to be perfectly content where I am? If I’m dissatisfied, am I not trying hard enough to appreciate what is? If my reasons for dissatisfaction are intangible, can I really justify turning my life upside down by pulling up roots?

Outside of the practical reasons why people move far away (like for a new job or to be closed to a loved one), how about the psychological reasons? How about just the desire to move far away from everything you’ve ever known and start over?

And does it work? Has anyone had the experience of moving somewhere new, intending to change some part of their life or it’s entirety with a “blank slate”?

As for me, I moved to a mid-sized Midwestern city 7 years ago to do undergrad then do a masters program. First time I checked out the city, before I moved here, I was just turned off... it’s hard to quantify, but undeniable and persistent, and it’s stuck with me. It just didn’t “feel” good to me. I made good on my education goals and turned that into a decent job that has provided well over the past 5 years, but I’m clearly at a point where it’s time to move on.

My rational mind is saying “this is as good as it gets, so you’d better just learn to like that and make the best of it.” My emotional mind is saying “you’ve played it safe for far too long and it’s killing you. If you don’t ‘follow your bliss’ somehow, you’ll lose touch with it completely.”

I want to see the world, am envious of people that have traveled widely, and want that courage and those experiences for myself. I’ve lived within a 3 hour drive of my place of birth for 30 years now and feel like I literally can’t get to anywhere I haven’t been hundreds of times.

The part I’m a bit ashamed to admit, and that I don’t really want to take responsibility for, and part reason for my hesitation. During the time that I was here, I struggled mightily with my own social anxiety and depression. Working at the same college I went to school at, I feel like I see reminders of my own social failures around every corner. The professor I disappointed. The co-worker I just couldn’t get along with. People who witnessed some of my social faux pas. I just want to move on, emotionally and geographically.

Interesting too to reflect on what I’ve written. It reflects the strong need I have for others to validate my thought process so I can justify what I’m telling myself…and further, a fundamental distrust of my own needs and ability to make important decisions.

So, am I crazy? Any commentary on your experience with moving as a life-change agent?
 
 
Closed for Business Time
10:33 / 16.10.08
Why did you post this in the Temple? It seems to me that it doesn't belong here so much as in Conversation. You're not really raising any spiritual issues, unless you just assume, without really telling us, that this is in some way related to spiritual, religious or magical aspects of your life.
 
 
Hawthorn
13:08 / 16.10.08
Aside from proper venues and such, I'd say, Just Go! If your issues and dissatisfactions are going to follow you anywhere, you might as well learn what else you can gain from a change of scene. I can say from experience that it's worth it, and for me it put what needed to change in sharper focus and made it easier to make that change. If you have a university degree you can get an easy job teaching English in China for a year....
 
 
Mr. E
13:20 / 16.10.08
This was posted here for several reasons:

1. The Temple is also for topics related to "applied psychology."
2. Underneath all the data, it is a question about the will, which is a spiritual issue.
3. Given that I provide data which outlines my specific problem, I think I'm being fairly explicit in how this is related to my life.
4. IMO, temple threads have a whole lot more "meat," whereas conversation threads have more LOL, ROFL, LMAO, and Kitteh than I'm really interested in.

You could be right though. I'm a bit of a n00b. But from what I've read here, I put my money on the Temple for getting the type of response I'm looking for.
 
 
grant
16:56 / 16.10.08
It just didn’t “feel” good to me

Have you been somewhere that "felt" right?
 
 
Char Aina
17:02 / 16.10.08
It might be worth adding a short summary and a link to the Barbelith Pager. That way your thread retains the setting but gains the crowd.
 
 
COG
17:25 / 16.10.08
Here is a previous thread about moving abroad. It would definitely be relevant to your own situation.

I for one, as you will see in the thread, say "YES, do it!". If you are thinking about it then you are not happy where you are. Moving will restart all sorts of things in your brain that you thought you had forgotten. Sure, it can be scary, but if you don't do it while you have the chance, you may never get the chance again.
 
 
EmberLeo
06:22 / 17.10.08
I'm a little confused why you're coming from the direction of assuming you have to justify moving.

Try it from the other end - what harm is there in this decision? What could make moving away, starting fresh somewhere, whatever, immoral? If you feel driven and there's no harm in it, I don't see a problem.

--Ember--
 
 
This Sunday
06:30 / 17.10.08
I'm a firm believer you should do pretty much anything you feel the need to ask a message board about. So long, as it doesn't involve the permanent severing of bodyparts you or someone else may want back at some point.

Move. Or, look into moving, and then move.

Or, rearrange all your furniture change the doormat, and pretend you've moved.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
10:18 / 17.10.08
Mr. E., apologies, I forgot about the applied psychology tag. FWIW: DO IT! - as said by Ben Stiller.
 
 
archim3des
05:28 / 19.10.08
I'm curious. You mentioned moving and kind of complained about working at the college you graduated from. What did you major in? What are you doing now? Are the two related?

Beyond that, a compulsion to move in my experience is more of a compulsion to seek out novelty. Perhaps a desire to move is the same for you? Have you thought about a career change? That can take you on a similar path. It can grant you a renewed sense of meaning in your life as well as provide you with more opportunities for travel. What about continuing your education even further? Maybe that can satiate your pursuit of novel experience. A renewed attempt at academic education might also present you with new mobility decisions like what school you really want to go, and whether or not your current life situation really presents you with the neccesary challenges to lead a fulilling life.
 
 
Mr. E
19:46 / 19.10.08
Thanks all for comments. Good stuff. You never know what insight someone else can offer you. And for me, sometimes the way someone else can phrase an insight can make it more clear and compelling than it’s been for me in the past, or even offer validation of what I already know / feel.

Grant: Come to think of it, I’m not sure that I really have ever been in a place where I felt right. Though I suppose I did enjoy living in Minneapolis and Madison for brief stints. But I do know that where I am now is probably lowest on the list of all places I’ve spent time in.

Ember: Yeah, I like the way of turning the question upside down. It DOES feel a bit like I’m trying to find justification for it. It’s a mental block I’m trying to work through. Lots of fear of the unknown coupled with comfort, complacency, and “golden handcuffs.” As for justification, people I know who relocated have done so for jobs that helped them live a long-held dream…and my reason is just that I’m bored with my surroundings, so it does feel like I need a better reason than that.

archim3des: I majored in psychology and got my MS in Counseling. Now I work in student affairs & academic advising…only sorta kinda related, not doing any therapy work with the people I interact with. I need about two years experience to get licensed…and at the moment, the job / pay opportunities in this part of the world are pretty dismal, even for folks with lots of experience.

I’ve considered a career change, though I now think I chose poorly the first time around and don’t really trust my instincts about what I really want to do. I’ve considered going for a Ph.D. in Industrial / Organizational Psychology, which is sort of an offshoot of my interests in psychology, would let me practice therapy, do teaching & consulting, and would align with my interests in management / administration. I’d considered trying to find a way to get training at one of the CG Jung Institutes ‘cause I’m a Jung junkie. Lots of paths to choose…hard to choose one.

Yes, it does feel like a need for novelty…need new challenges, even seeing new things / being in a novel environment is pretty exciting…brain is atrophying here.
 
 
EmberLeo
18:54 / 20.10.08
people I know who relocated have done so for jobs that helped them live a long-held dream…and my reason is just that I’m bored with my surroundings, so it does feel like I need a better reason than that.

If you have dependents, perhaps, or if you're in the middle of a major project you've promised to complete. That is, you should keep any promises you've made.

But you know, some folks just need to get up and move. I know people whose wanderlust is so strong, they move every couple of years, even if it's just across town. I don't think you need a hall pass from anybody to be allowed to change gears in your life. If you're not breaking any promises, you're not harming anybody, and you're willing to handle the stress of the move itself, go for it.

--Ember--
 
 
grant
19:48 / 20.10.08
How did Madison feel different from where you are now?

Is it that it's a college town, or something else?
 
 
COG
20:20 / 20.10.08
Do it.
If it doesn't work out, go back.
It will work out.
 
 
night train
03:04 / 08.12.08
The cost of living in Minneapolis is rather good right now. My brother just bought a house a few miles from SW Minneapolis for a steal. It's a buyer's market.

Plus, you could visit Tiny Tim's grave whenever you wanted...

But seriously, it's the one place I've lived so far that felt something close to "right." Good luck.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
10:47 / 08.12.08
So you're living somewhere that you don't like and you can't use your qualifications there. I think you should consider moving to somewhere that you feel is more your kind of place which has the kind of employment that you would like to do. You can fulfill your own promise and move because you're bored of the area.
 
  
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