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Joerg Haider is dead

 
 
Mirror
21:41 / 11.10.08
Not to sound callous, but it seems to me that nothing but good can come of this: Haider dies in auto crash.

So, what's next for Austrian ultra-nationalism? Is there anybody as influential as Haider was poised to take his place, or will the movement wither without its biggest figurehead?
 
 
pony
03:59 / 12.10.08
The American contingent has no idea who this guy is. Perhaps we can talk about Josef Fritz or koalas or something?
 
 
Slim
08:04 / 12.10.08
Are you sure that's the route you want to go down, palace? Your random insult aside, why is American input a necessity?

Anyways, I remember reading about Haider when he hit the scene in 1999. As far as I can tell, he really hasn't garnered that level of attention over here since. That may be attributable in part to his party only receiving 10 percent of the vote; in the U.S. that's about the same as receiving 0 percent.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:56 / 12.10.08
I agree, Mirror- other than the slightly guilty feeling I get from realising that I'm actually taking pleasure in the death of another human being, I really can't see a downside. My automatic first response when Ignatius told me about this yesterday? "Christ, I hope there wasn't anyone else hurt in the accident".

I don't know enough about Austrian politics to know if there's anyone to take his place, but I bloody well hope not.

(Incidentally, I don't think palace politics' comment was intended as an insult- I know explaining memes stops them being funny, but it's a reference to the Australian Joef Fritzl meme...)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:19 / 12.10.08
Well, it's not really about taking his place, exactly. The Freedom Party, which he led, performed very strongly under him and then broke into factionalism, which feels like an immune response for the extreme right wind sometimes. The party he then founded (the Nazi SDP!) stuttered but won 10% at the last elections. Without him, they might rejoin the Freedom party, which would make a far-right block with about 25% of the national vote.

On the plus side, as we in London have learned, celebrities win votes regardless of their politics, and losing the celebrity status of Haider might hurt Austrian far-right politics, I guess.
 
 
pony
18:01 / 12.10.08
(final rot: was a silly alcohol-fueled joke. apologies.)
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:11 / 12.10.08
Austria already has a new Haider, Heinz-Christian Strache.

"The FPÖ surpassed expectations in the Vienna elections of October 2005. Strache himself was the leading candidate in Vienna, and the party received 14.9% of votes. Strache's campaign, (...) was widely considered xenophobic (...)."

"Jörg Haider said about Strache that if he, Haider, had run such a campaign, the press would have been all over him."

"...pictures were published, allegedly showing Strache performing a Nazi salute (the Kühnen salute). Strache denied the allegations prior to publication of the pictures. After publication, Strache argued that the picture showed him ordering three beers and was not a Nazi salute. Austrian Jewish community leaders criticized the government for its lack of response."
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:38 / 12.10.08
Well, Strache's less moderate than Haider. Near as one could tell, Haider liked Nazis and didn't like Slovenes. Strache appears not to like anyone.
 
 
werwolf
10:57 / 13.10.08
let me give you my viewpoint as immigrated austrian and why haider's death is actually not such a good thing at all.

first of all, let me just make clear that i do not condone right wing politics of any kind. my political views are rooted in social anarchy.

that being said, let me give you some historical info. haider entered austrian politics already in 1971, when he became chairman of the ring freiheitlicher jugend ('liberal youth circle') at age 21 - a youth and young adults sub-chapter of the FPÖ ('freedom party austria'). several years later, at age 28 he was the youngest FPÖ delegate to enter parliament. the FPÖ then was split into two factions: a liberal, capitalist faction and a conservative, german-nationalist faction. haider rose within the ranks of the party with support from the latter and soon edged all liberal elements out of the party. so, with 1986, when he became chairman of the FPÖ, he started propagating his right of the middle politcs and introduced populist tactics into political campaigns in austria.
the same year the VEREINTEN GRÜNEN ÖSTERREICH ('united austrian green') and the ALTERNATIVE LISTE ÖSTERREICH ('alternative list austria') came together to found the austrian GREEN PARTY, a liberal, left-wing party. this is very important because one of the main reasons for this fusion was not only economical and ecological concerns - one of the main programme points of the green party - but also to oppose the rising right-wing tendencies in austrian politics as embodied by jörg haider.

haider left national politics in 2000 and returned 2005 with the newly founded BZÖ ('alliance for the austrian future'), a new party made up of ex-fpö members. this left the FPÖ in heinz-christian strache's hands, whose orientation is even far more right-wing (i'd say he's a rightist extremist). a war for power ensued between haider's BZÖ and strache's FPÖ.

another information that is important (i will explain why shortly): alexander van der bellen, intellectual and highly respected leader of the green party resigned from his position, leaving the party to eva glawischnig, an equally competent and respected politican herself, but the green party is currently in disarray and will need some time to reorganize itself under glawischnig.

so much for history. now, why i think that it's actually a dangerous thing that haider has died.
whatever one may think about haider and his political views, it must be admitted that he was a cunning and competent politician. one of his most clever moves was not only to anticipate the moves of his opposition but also occupy their options. he virtually crippled the green party by occupying topics of highest national interest (immigration, social welfare) with his right-wing rethoric, knowing full well that the green party viewed themselves as the 'voice of reason' within austria and although they would adress these points in their programme, they would use other matters in their public appearances (ecology, taxes, industrialization).

there is no one left in the BZÖ who could even remotely fill in for haider. a coalition between BZÖ and FPÖ is currently also rather unlikely. a regrouping of the parties would be unconstitutional.

haider's death leaves his entire political programme with no one to continue it. which would be a good thing, if the green party could organize themselves quickly enough, take up his programme and thus tear it away from the right-wing political forces of austria.
only, and that is my deepest concern, i'm afraid that heinz-christian strache will be quicker and add haider's programme (which was already partially congruent with the FPÖ's) to his own, strengthening the right-wing even more.

you must understand that in the public view there were only two party's who had ever adressed pressing concerns such as immigration, unemployment 'efficiently' - by 'efficiently' i mean that they offered actual responses and tactics how to deal with these matters. that their tactics were non-sensical, fascist and not very helpful is clear to the analytical mind, but i dare say not the average joe.

strache will fan the public's fears on and try to fill up the vacuum left behind by haider and run with it. and that is quite a dreary possible future for austria.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:26 / 15.10.08
Haider was driving 142 km an hour and had 1,8 per mil of alcohol in his blood.
 
  
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