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wicker woman
07:46 / 18.09.08
Just watched the pilot episode on Hulu, and this series seems like it could be a blast... Nifty robotic arms? Viruses that turn people into see-thru bone bags? Pyschotropic trips into another person's mind, even if they're dead? Woo! Bring it on!

I realize the summary doesn't do much for it, but those elements work together a great deal better than you might think. The pilot episode starts off with a US-bound German flight landing at Boston's Logan airport. Problem being, everyone on board, pilots included, have been virused into the aforementioned dead clear things.

Olivia Dunham, an FBI agent, is assigned to the case. Long story short, she and her partner / boyfriend John Scott follow up a long shot lead and happen to stumble across the guy responsible for the disaster on the plane. Scott is inadvertently exposed to the virus, and the remainder of the episode is a race to save his life, catch the baddie, etc.

Dunham hunts down a mentally unstable professor and his brilliant son in order to put the pieces together. Presumably, these three will be the main "we deal with spooky shit" team, under the control of "I secretly know about the spooky shit" boss, Philip Broyles, who is played by Lance Reddick; also known as Matthew Abaddon on Lost.

So, yeah. Go check it out.
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:26 / 21.09.08
I tried it, and thought it was pretty bad - clunky script, over-aware acting and generally just a bit poor - sorry!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:03 / 22.09.08
I watched the pilot when it first started circulating on the Net a few months ago and decided, since I liked the parts of Lost and the first few seasons of Alias, that I'd give it a watch. Finally there's a second episode to watch.

I mean, it's slick. It has a budget. Abrams's name has the pull to make for a nice budget. The scene transition bubble text for different locations is nice, it gives the show a solid brand right off the bat.

The acting, yes, is a bit dodgy in places. This is partly because they haven't given the actors much to work with yet, it's still early days. Most of these shows are pretty schlocky when they first start, so it deserves a bit of time to develop -- the idea's interesting, and it's done well to start with a serious of body horror bangs as our team of intrepid weird-hunters come together.

It basically starts off with an Alias riff -- hotshot female government agent loses the love of her life (apparently) in a bizarre fashion, which leads to the peeling away of society's layers (And of course, everything they knew was a lie: Olivia's partner was a traitor and Sydney's entire career was the reverse of what she thought it was). And Abrams continues his cute little habit of having an overarching mystery which is unspecified at first ("The Pattern" has all the rings of something like "The Covenant" or the vague suggestion of what Rimbaldi was all about) but will stupidly tie everything together.

Which is a bit of a shame, because seeing Olivia's group dealing with all kinds of unconnected weird shit (with a few connections thrown in to make it more hilarious) would be more entertaining than being given Abrams's standard routine, i.e. it's all connected and there's a guiding hand. Massive Dynamics or the Dharma Corporation, whichever.

I'm enjoying it as schlocky pulp, a reworking of the X-Files with less aliens and Duchovny speeches in favour of government science gone wrong. I'll give it a few more episodes to figure itself out, hopefully dumping some elements that are too obvious -- like Peter and Olivia's never stated attraction which will probably drag on and on before some kind of event throws them together. I'd like to see more of Astrid Farnsworth.

All that, it managed to pump all sort of weird shit into the very first episode, weird shit that took two seasons to even crop up just a little over in Alias, which you have to love.

Maybe I just like secret organizations of weirdhunters who have poor social skills, though.
 
 
Spaniel
08:07 / 22.09.08
I thought it was utter balls but will give it a chance to make a better impression. As for over-arching plots - of course it's going to have one, and I'm thinking Singularity will be the thread. The "Pattern" being the manifestations of Singularity as it happens.

Why do I think this? Well, other than the fact that Singularity, with its massive potential for sci-fi drama, has yet to make it's way onto our screens, there was all that talk by someone (think it was the woman at Massive Dynamics) in the pilot about technology running out of control.
 
 
wicker woman
04:57 / 24.09.08
I tried it, and thought it was pretty bad - clunky script, over-aware acting and generally just a bit poor - sorry!

Don't worry, there's no need to agree with me on everything... just most things.

The show definitely has its clunkier points, but I don't think the dialogue is any worse than X-Files dialogue, and gods know I watched that show more than I should've.

Plus, they have a cow.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:15 / 24.09.08
Last night's was probably the best of the bunch so far, even though it's still not as immediately arresting as Lost or X-Files or Alias.

I like the basic idea of the show and I've liked the central character throughout. Junior I could do without, as he seems like such a stereotypical "heart of gold" character.

It's the very epitome of I'll give it a chance/Wait and see at the moment.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:22 / 24.09.08
Just started downloading the third episode now, so I haven't seen it, but I'm not sure I would characterize Junior as the "heart of gold" character. I suppose he's heading in that direction, but there's a lot of opportunism that I'd like to see played up more-- I'm not sure what his motivation is, exactly, for sticking around if Olivia doesn't actually have anything on him. Probably to atone for his father's sins or something? It probably indicates poor writing if we know "why" a character would do something but don't get an adequate sense that this is what the actual reason is.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
16:36 / 24.09.08
Singularity, with its massive potential for sci-fi drama, has yet to make it's way onto our screens

Unless you count Odyssey 5; against which Fringe comes up short for lacking in nudity, swearing, Ted Raimi as an android learning the value of human life through a drunken sex orgy and Peter Goddamn Weller. I'm liking Walter the best so far, even if his mental waywardness is being characterised as wackily random rather than giving any involving sense of a man who's been institutionalised for perhaps quite good reasons. I'd like to see more of Nina the cyborg and as an Oz fan it's also fun to see Kirk Acevedo and Lance Reddick (who will always be Desmond Mobay to me) together in a show again.
 
 
Mistoffelees
21:12 / 01.10.08
Only into the fourth episode, and they´re already pillaging other science fiction TV shows for ideas. The bald guy speaking Peter´s words before he did was lifted straight from Doctor Who´s Midnight episode.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:32 / 04.10.08
Oh god, that was hilarious. It's got to be intentional, right? It's so hysterical. The dialogue was so tortured, like these big fringe science / pseudoscience guys had never heard the word telepathy and the concept was so completely alien to them!

The only part of the episode that I liked -- besides the telltale J.J. Abrams torture scene -- was the one-sided exchange where Walter apologizes to Astrid. It demonstrated some interesting tension and actual emotion, so maybe there's still hope in there. I really like Astrid, as I've said before, I hope this isn't an excuse to have her quit working for Olivia's department (what's the name? WHAT'S THEIR NAME?).

But also, DRAMATIC CLIFFHANGER ENDING. Which has been teased so many times since the very beginning that I was hoping they could have at least another five episodes before it happened.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:09 / 26.11.08
Weaponized attack butterflies.

This show is improving dramatically.
 
 
the Fool
01:53 / 04.12.08
I really dig that this show is basically mad scientist weekly. My only gripe with the show is the dude from Dawsons Creek. I really want to like his character, but his acting ability is noticeably less than the rest of the cast.

I'd sorta like the show to turn gadget crazy, where all the mad pattern-related tech becomes an arsenal both sides utilise...
 
 
the Fool
00:26 / 05.12.08
and so I get my wish the following episode, LOL!

Also... is it me or is it quite blatant about the doctor's son, Peter, being a clone of the good doctor himself? That Walter truly is a modern frankenstein... Twice he has talked about childhood memories of Peter, which Peter hasn't remembered, only to say the they must have been his own...
 
 
Mistoffelees
08:22 / 05.12.08
Yes, they gave that away a couple of episodes ago [unless they want to misdirect the audience?]. He probably wants to implant his brain into Peter´s body, so he can be young again and Astrid will notice him.
 
 
pony
08:50 / 05.12.08
Just saw episode 10. I've been hesitant about this from the beginning, what with the combo of campy and over-ambitious and explaining-fringe-science-to-the-fringe-scientists and lazy-conspiracy-theory and liv-being-a-damsel-in-distress-for-no-reason-(or is there one???), but this has been the only show that's kept me watching it on a weekly basis this year, and the most recent recent episode has left me giddy in such a totally televisually satisfying manner. I've never managed to wade successfully into the realms of Doctor Who, but I imagine that this must be sort of how the Brits feel when Dr. Who is absolutely on point. This is like the X-Files but good. I am drunk and happy and have just watched a high-quality tv-product.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:43 / 05.12.08
I'm also becoming endeared to this show, although I still dislike Peter's character. Sure, it's pretty wacky and defies reasonable belief most of the time, but I think that's kind of the point. They come out and say that this "fringe science" is not generally accepted nor commonplace and it takes a special kind of crazy to even think it, but I'm ok with that. Nowhere do I believe the show is positing this stuff is anything other than science fiction. I quite like Olivia's character and the actress playing her has a certain charm that seems uncommon on television these days. I don't consider her to be a damsel in distress most of the time, except with her personal insecurities. The John Scott subplot is... a bit odd, though. Looking forward to the continuation of the current cliffhanger, though. Perhaps that will shed some light on that story.
 
 
mashedcat
20:44 / 18.12.08
I WOULDN`T MIND PARTYING WITH THE PROFESSOR. HE CERTAINLY LIKES HIS HALLUCINOGENS.
THE SHOW IS OK, HAS SOME INTERESTING /ENTERTAINING IDEAS
WORTH WATCHING FROM THE START
I LITTLE TOUCH OF AGENT STARLING (SILENCE OF THE LAMBS) IN THE LEADING LADY?
 
 
dark horse
21:39 / 18.12.08
i wouldnt mind giving the leading lady a little touch, if you know what i mean!
 
 
dark horse
21:39 / 18.12.08
does anyone else think pacey is a clone?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:35 / 21.01.09
Ah fuck what did they do to this show?

1) "Fringe Division"

2) Wacky sister with marital problems and cute kid comes to stay with protagonist.

3) Complete reintroduction of plot to rope in new viewers.

4) Gratuitously dumb fight scenes.

5) OMG antagonist from protagonist's past comes to investigate and is a hardass!

6) Apparent abandonment of cliffhangers very cool and interesting villain.

7) Has Massive Dynamic been dropped?

Gah.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:31 / 21.01.09
1) "Fringe Division"

There's never even a definite article or anything. Sounds so very, very awkward. Even if it was just "Broyles' Division" or, oh, I dunno, "Division X" (ha) it would be better. I actually liked that they had no official designation for the first ten episodes.

2) Wacky sister with marital problems and cute kid comes to stay with protagonist.

This felt awkward, yes, and cliche-addled, certainly, but I can see the storytelling logic behind it. I've heard complaints about Anna Torv's acting (although, personally, I like her as a bit emotionally stunted, it works for the character) and she's been written as very closed off from the world around her. I imagine the sister and kid have been brought in to "humanize" her, although honestly I don't see why they don't just put more in more scenes with her, Peter, Walter and Astrid working together; they humanize her more than artificially-scripted "family" sequences.

3) Complete reintroduction of new plot to rope in new viewers.

...which was? What, the (possible) twist of Evil Mitch's confession?

4) Gratuitously dumb fight scenes.

The episode was rather heavy on them, yeah.

5) OMG antagonist from protagonist's past comes to investigate and is a hardass!

I was curious initially but quickly decided that the investigator has to die, horribly, because he's terribly annoying. Then I realized that it's because this is a pointless plot-obstacle. One that Abrams has used many times before on Alias. Yawn. Get rid of him and get back to the main flow.

That said, it does highlight quite nicely how the working relationship between Broyles and Olivia has changed.

6) Apparent abandonment of cliffhangers very cool and interesting villain.

Can't quite parse that. As a series, FRINGE hasn't depended too strongly on cliffhangers in general. I actually thought the cliffhanger from the last episode to this one was generally pretty weak; it's standard Alias fare that I've seen too, too many times. It's a nervous tic, like Warren Ellis and the bastard coffee bastard talk.

7) Has Massive Dynamic been dropped?

I'm guessing not, but I like that they did not immediately jump to that well. I like Massive Dynamic in the long run but this series could do from not foregrounding them as much, because they'd begin to bore me.

Giganticized cold germs were fun and weird and gross. We got some nice dialogue between "Olivia's Weirdos," but it was still pretty clunky. It felt like Peter and Walter weren't given much to do, but I am glad to see Mitch and wife removed from the playing board.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:54 / 11.02.09
That new episode was fun! So Walter might be the author of that pamphlet?

2) Wacky sister with marital problems and cute kid comes to stay with protagonist.

No wacky sister this time!


4) Gratuitously dumb fight scenes.

None of these either.


5) OMG antagonist from protagonist's past comes to investigate and is a hardass!

Sadly still there, but already tamed down and damaged.


6) Apparent abandonment of cliffhangers very cool and interesting villain.

He´s back and how! Leaving a hole in the wall like that koolaid cartoon! And "recruiting" the protagonist.


7) Has Massive Dynamic been dropped?

Back, too! If they can keep the episodes that entertaining, things are looking up. I want more cow and Astrid, though.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:02 / 11.02.09
Yes, I spoke too soon. Methinks those first 2 episodes back from the hiatus were to ease people into the show again.

As the last one was quite good and brought the Pattern-plot back into frame. Haven't watched last night's yet (breezed past the last reply) but I hear it's pretty plot heavy and huge for the overall story.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:27 / 13.05.09
Anyone still watching? I thought the finale was pretty cool, full of super-science and some fun twists. I really don't care about the validity of any of the science in this show as that whole mad scientist avenue of SF can be really fun when it's over the top, so the parallel worlds route this show is taking is pretty neat (as long as it doesn't take any cues from Sliders!).

The Peter reveal was pretty excellent even though it was highly telegraphed during Walter's discussion of the parallel worlds earlier in the episode.

And, of course, the William Bell reveal was utterly spoiled by the baffling decision to pretty much put the entire thing in a press release a couple weeks ago. I did like where the reveal took place though, with it's intriguing newspaper. The cliffhanger-ness of it was a bit of a letdown after I've come to expect answers on season finales instead of teases. It almost directly mimics the Alias 1st season finale. A big tease.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:37 / 13.05.09
I found the show more entertaining than Dollhouse, and I´d rather see this show getting another season.

The main protagonist is still bland, but I´ve grown fond of Peter, Walter and Astrid. And with Peter: they hinted early on, he might be a clone, now it seems as if he´d been kidnapped from a parallel dimension. No wonder Walter ended up in a facility with all the children he [saw being] experimented on, and his son (and wife?) dying. And all the LSD spiked Berry Boom, of course.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
02:24 / 23.09.09
We watched all of the first season this past summer and have watched the first ep of season 2. My questions:

* What did Bell tell Olivia in the alternate universe?

* Why are "they" trying to kill Olivia after she returned? (Props to having Luke Goss play the bad guy briefly in this episode.)

* Is it going to come out that Peter is just alternate universe Peter and will Walter slip up to let that happen?

*Will the Observer and his mission be explained?

*Poor Charlie. Can't catch a break, eh?

The show has a lot of weak points but I am engaged enough to continue watching.
 
 
the Fool
05:32 / 25.10.09
I know, poor Charlie! But in a universe of parallels there's hope of a good Charlie returning...
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
10:57 / 26.10.09
I dunno, that might give Olivia a full-on breakdown...
 
 
Mistoffelees
14:46 / 15.05.10
Oh wow! This new episode is so awesome, one of the best TV scifi episodes ever!

If you liked even one episode of it, watch it. Anyone who is wondering what to watch instead of LOST, wonder no more.

John Noble is the new King of scifi TV shows!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:10 / 20.05.10
The second half of the second season of Fringe has been just about the most amazing turnaround of any TV show I have ever seen.

Some shows, like Deadwood and Wire and Carnivale, had me from the get-go; others like the X-Files kind of gave diminishing returns over several seasons until I eventually abandoned ship. Fringe has gone from being sub-par X-Files Lite to just about the coolest thing going. Walternate, the Secretary, the Fringe Department (or whatever they're called), the apparently sincere belief in Universe2 that they're the ones being invaded, the sudden and traumatic end of the rest of the test kids... holy leaping crap do I love this show.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:29 / 20.05.10
yeah, for thirty seconds the show became a X-Men/Doom Patrol lookalike, and then went back to X-Files/Sliders territory seamlessly. And that's just amazing
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:08 / 21.05.10
Also: nothing says "paralel universe" better than zepellins..
 
 
e-n
09:42 / 22.05.10
So many questions, so long to wait for answers.
Did anyone catch Walternate explaining how the machine was old? Who built it and why?

Also did anyone spot the observers in the last two episodes? Were they "there".

The development of the episodes have to be game changers for the series, has anyone noticed how this keeps happening lately (BSG, Lost to some respects with the time travel, Chuck with intersect 2.0 and Sarah, to a lesser degree House when he goes to the mad House) it's getting to be a habit.
Has TV finally learned you can't keep the same characters doing the same plots for ever?

In the fall will be spending equal amounts of time over here and over there?
 
 
e-n
09:49 / 22.05.10
Aha! A little more research (or rather a better worded google search) turns up the observers do exist on the other side.
Are they the same as on our side?
Could it be their machine?
 
 
Dead Megatron
12:14 / 22.05.10
I have the theory that the Observers are from a parallel earth as well, maybe one where human evolution was radically different, giving them a different perspective of time, and they travel to other parallels in order to do anthropologic studies. It's either that or they are aliens and/or from the future.

I'd like to see other universes in Season 3. Wouldn't it be cool if they ran into an universe where things are just like in the story Walter invented for Olivia's niece, where everything is retro noir but with cellphones and computers and who knows, maybe people tend to sing spontaneously, with widely varied results...
 
  

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