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Scrying

 
 
harmonic series
02:34 / 11.08.08
I am trying to get back to the basics of magical practice. As a light-a-fire-under-my-bum guide I'm reading Phil Hine's Condensed Chaos. I'm on to the section recommending scrying. As chaos magic is more of a philosophy and less of a system there isn't any more information added than the condensed basics.

So, I'm ready to try scrying again. In the past I have made a black mirror (still have it). The frame is cracked but not the glass- that shouldn't be a problem, should it? Anyway, I sit down, turn off lights, light candles, let my eyes relax, try and clear my mind and I see nothing- well except my candlelit visage of course. Also, I have always kept my mirror covered with cloth when it is not in use, assuming that even though I can't see them, they could probably see me. Does it work like that?

Are there tricks for successful scrying. And what are my options for seeing? The future? Entities? For what should I be looking?

Incidentally- I'm one of those people that cannot see the sailboat in those pictures of wavy lines you're supposed to stare at so the image pops out. Don't know if that's relevant.

Thanks for any help. I'll try out advice and let you know how it goes.
 
 
EmberLeo
06:09 / 11.08.08
I don't know much about the philosophy of Chaos magic, but I think your focus is likely misplaced if you are more focused on the lenses of your eyes than on the consciousness of your mind.

My understanding is that scrying is one of the forms of Divination that is more dependent on altered consciousness than some other forms may be. The flame, or the water, or the dark mirror, or the crystal ball, or whatever tool you are scrying in is there to provide a point of focus, which allows you to let go of everything other than that focus.

From there, is it primarily about what your eyes see, or about what your mind perceives?

--Ember--
 
 
Princess
10:57 / 11.08.08
Scrying is one of those things that rarely worked well for me. I'm too easily distracted and so rarely centered, whatever deep and mystic truths might be sent back my way are obscured by my own mental flotsam.

But I can get pictues to turn up, so that's a start. I've found it's a an interesting way of getting good, dreamy surreal inspiration for art projects. I've not get the discipine to use it for personal development.

I know two methods. The second is more "wow amazing" and freaky (if that's the kind of experience you are after), the first is a little too much like daydreaming for my tastes.

The first is basically to sit with a bowl of water (strong mugwort tea, with herb fragments for preference, is slightly better for me) and swirl it round in a darkened room. You need a little light just so that the eddies glint and flash at you. Get into a receptive state of mind and just see what things occur as you watch the water move. Sometimes I see images as faint overlays, sometimes things just turn up in my head, and sometimes I watch the movement of partices in the water and interpret the shapes they form.

I treat the scrying as a communication between myself and the spirit of the water/herb/whatever else I've used. I've found that having different things in the water does affect my results. Sometimes I spit into the water before I start, so that theres a sympathy between me and the things in the bowl.

I try and finish with a spirit of gratefullness to the water, and always pour it onto soil with living things in it. Barren soil as last resort. Never down the sink or drain. Respect to the water and all that.

I've done similar with beer/gin/tea when a little divination has been needed in cafes/bars.

Incidentally- I'm one of those people that cannot see the sailboat in those pictures of wavy lines you're supposed to stare at so the image pops out. Don't know if that's relevant.


MIght be with this method, as I always look through it and let my eyes unfocus as I do it. Same as for the magic-eye pictures. I'm not sure how essential this is to success, but it is part of my process.

The other, simpler, method is simple mirror gazing. Just stare at your face in a mirror for a long time and watch. You'll start getting distortions, blurs, pictures. It's weird and a bit eurgh. But dress it up with smoke (again, suggesting mugwort) and a little bit of ritual and I'm sure this could be an interesting tool.

Personally, I wouldn't want to use a cracked mirror unless it was a recquirement of the beings/places I was trying to scry. Faery/faeries are cracked mirror kind of people. BUt otherwise, I'm just thinking that cracked mirrors are bad luck and present fractured images. You could just use a normal mirror, I've never needed a special one.

And what are my options for seeing? The future? Entities? For what should I be looking?

What are you looking for? You can see pretty much anything. It's your Imagination, right? I'd recommend choosing what you are looking for before you go out into the mirror. If you can go anywhere, you tend to go nowhere. Does that make sense?

I prefer cartomancy to be honest, playing cards for preference. Less free wheeling, so I can't just follow my distraction around. But whatever, tell us how it goes. I'd be interested to hear.
 
 
Princess
11:03 / 11.08.08
Oh wait, the frame is cracked. Uness your seeing the frame as some kind of protective barrier or magical thing in itself, which I never have, then I can't see it being an issue.
 
 
EmberLeo
09:16 / 12.08.08
By the way, regarding those Magic Eye pictures? I see 'em by noting where the pattern repeats and then deliberately crossing my eyes until those two points meet. I kind of doubt that's pertinent to scrying.

My point being that I don't think the ability, or lack thereof, to see those Magic Eye pictures is actually all that closely related.

--Ember--
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
13:13 / 12.08.08
I think the trick is more about letting your expectations go by the wayside, and leaving yourself open to what comes to you. If you're expecting to see/experience something in particular, I doubt it will work properly for you.
 
 
EmberLeo
03:03 / 19.08.08
Ah, there's a point that may not be clear to the unexperienced...

So, when something is "providing focus" in a magical context, I find it's usually not because I actually need to focus on, say, a candle flame, so much as that I need to let go of all the other crap swimming around in my head. If I focus on this one song I'm singing, I can drown out all the other sounds in my head. If I focus on this candle flame, I can stop picturing blue elephants.

From there, the point isn't that the candle flame will start sending me messages directly, nor that the song will suddenly include extra words. It's that I now have space in my head for whatever is to come to me next.

So if I'm staring at swirling ink in a bowl, I'm not looking for images in the actual bowl - I'm looking for images in my mind, and I'm using the swirling ink in the bowl to give me something to look at so that I'm not distracted by visual irrelevancies.

--Ember--
 
 
Princess
07:04 / 19.08.08
See, sometimes I am lookin for actual ink patterns in the bowl. I know its not scrying as such, but I've found it a useful place to start.
 
  
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