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Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:20 / 06.08.08
I know that a good deal of you 'Lithers are hitched, so what I want to know is: how did you guys make your special day special the way you wanted? Looking for tips, hints, general gabbery.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
19:34 / 06.08.08
Every now and then, stand back, watch everybody (Dinner's a good time for this...) and soak it all in. Make mental photographs. Remember that everyone there is only there because of you.

Make sure that you get a good DJ: Music can make or break a wedding. Ours had a good mix to keep young and old happy. For dinner we had him play Portishead's Dummy then Pink Martini's Hang on Little Tomato. Our First Dance Was Are You The One That I've Been Waiting For? by Nick Cave. After that all the wedding standards were played with a keen eye being kept on the dance floor (It was always full). The only provision was no "Mony Mony"...

Have fun, it's over too quick. Forget the idea of a "Perfect Day", there is no such thing, but it will be perfect enough if you go with the flow and have fun.
 
 
Neon Snake
19:56 / 06.08.08
Ooh, how exciting!

Mine was two years and two weeks ago; I have the Summer Of Weddings this year, having been to four so far and another three to go, so it's at front of mind all over again.

Basically, planning, planning, planning. Make sure you have bridesmaids and best man/ushers who are trustworthy and can deal with anything. Then relax in the knowledge that there are other people there who will do the worrying for you, so that you don't need to.

Try to think of how the day will flow - eg. from house to venue, service to wedding breakfast, then to speeches, first dance, and so on. If you can picture how the day will flow, then nothing will be unexpected; and if anything happens that is unexpected, the chances are that it will be a lovely and pleasant surprise.

When the day comes, you'll know that everything is under control, and so you can concentrate on the present moment - which, I cannot stress enough, is really important but also really difficult to do.

Anywho, congratulations!
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:00 / 06.08.08
So far this is what I have:

The wedding is on March 21st, we decided on an afternoon wedding in Piedmont Park (Atlanta's equivalent of Central Park), and instead of the traditional reception that goes on, we've opted for a cocktail reception from around 4 to 7. There will be hors d'ouvres (or however you spell it, I never remember) and beer and wine only. If someone wants hard liquor, then they will have to pay at the bar. (I know that seems horribly unfair, but does keep costs down.) I'm still torn between a DJ and a live band. Our first dance song is going to be "Into My Arms" by Nick Cave.

But again, I need advice like: how does one choose invitations? Or whom to invite? How far in advance does one book things?
 
 
Neon Snake
20:11 / 06.08.08
A beer and wine bar is becoming pretty standard, certainly over here in the UK - that's what the couple did at the one we at last weekend.

A live band can be excellent, but generally cannot provide a wide mix of songs, whereas a DJ can, for example, knock out a Nick Cave song one minute, Deee-Lite the next, and follow that with I Will Survive and Jive Bunny Meagamix if he so chooses. That might be grounds for not paying him/her, but you see what I mean.
A band will generally have a "sound", and maybe even a set-list, that cannot easily be varied, and may not be able to judge the mood in the way that a decent DJ can.

I can't help with booking times, I'm afraid - ours was all booked within about 5 months of the day, but ours was in the middle of peak season (July), and things may be very different over in the US.
 
 
Neon Snake
20:16 / 06.08.08
Oh, in terms of proportional costs, we spent a small fortune on the photographer. We could have got someone for a fraction of the price, but I don't regret it for a second.

Whilst you'll be trying your best to remember every single moment, you won't be able to. Looking through the photographs afterwards prompted a whole lot of memories, and still do. Those photos are the main thing you will have afterwards, and you'll want them to be the best they possibly can be.

If possible, get someone recommended by friend/family, and also try to get someone who has done weddings at your venue before, so they know which angles work, where the nice shots are, and so on.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:30 / 06.08.08
I have a couple of friends who are photographers--y'know, the arty kind--but whom have also done wedding photography as side work. I'm thinking of asking to look at their portfolios as it would be nice to have a familiar face behind the camera. At the same time, I don't want to assume they're good because they're friends.

I think a lot of stress is put upon potential brides to book book book early but seeing as how MattS and I aren't conventional types, I think some of the things we would like won't be as difficult.
 
 
HCE
20:38 / 06.08.08
How pushy/involved are your family? We were the eldest and first married of four sets of parents (thanks to divorce) and it got to the point where we had to tell them that if they wanted to have a whole other wedding and pay for it all, we'd be happy to attend it.

Invitations: can be very expensive, few people other than immediately family will keep them for any length of time. You might want to print up an info sheet (where people can find parking and how much they can expect to pay for it, what the dress code is, which hotels you've contacted for discounted rates for out-of-town guests, a web address they can check for photos* after the wedding) and add it as an insert. Get more envelopes than invitations, since there may be errors when they're being addressed.

Seating: ordinarily the bridal table is at the front of the room -- after taking into account the people who couldn't be seated together we had four tables of A-list guests (immediate family, etc.) so we put our table in the center of the room. That way everybody who cared about it was 'right next to the bridal table'.

Be clear and firm about whether children are invited. We said no kids, and had people RSVP for themselves and four children. That's an extra four seats and about $600 in food. We told them we'd be happy to have dinner with them privately another night, someplace where children were welcome, if they were unable to find a sitter.

Even if you tell people repeatedly that you don't want any gifts, they're going to bring you gifts. Not all of them will be equally useful, to your taste, or easy to store. You might want to list a few charities they can donate to in your name. Have a plan for someplace to stash the gifts, and a marker to write the person's name on the box -- cards fall off. An overly helpful relative can be put to good use being in charge of this.

*Lots of people will be sending you their digital snapshots -- it's very nice if you can set up a place where they can upload them -- maybe a flickr account or something.
 
 
Saint Keggers
20:46 / 06.08.08
Not all of them will be equally useful, to your taste, or easy to store. You might want to list a few charities they can donate to in your name.

I will gladdly accept any gold bullion.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
21:43 / 06.08.08
How pushy/involved are your family? We were the eldest and first married of four sets of parents (thanks to divorce) and it got to the point where we had to tell them that if they wanted to have a whole other wedding and pay for it all, we'd be happy to attend it.

Ahhh, this comes back to the problem that I was having earlier with opposing sides of my family. I know that my dad and my stepmom (who have cash to burn) would be more than happy to pay for it, but unfortunately that route comes with a really scary amount of control. My sister's wedding was paid for by them---well the majority of it anyway---and one year later, all the flaws that happened, they have not forgotten. In fact, late last year I was told "Kali, when you have your wedding, do be sure to have everyone RVSP. We don't want the mess your sister's wedding was." !!!!!!! So: MattS and I are looking to do this our way with minimal help from the controlling side of my family. The family that I am closest to and love are pretty poor (well, middle middle class) but they have offered to help out wherever they can. Hence, our wanting to have it in a large public park. We can afford that and it will make us happy.

Invitations: can be very expensive, few people other than immediately family will keep them for any length of time.

I sort of figured. We're keeping the list to 50 or less. The ceremony itself is going to be close family only. The reception is where our friends can show up and congratulate us.

Re: seating.

Not a problem. There won't be any formal seating.

Re: children.

Aside from my niece and a fellow Barbelither who is presiding as our officiant, there are likely not going to be any kids as most of my friends do not have them. Also why the reception is early. Those with kids will not have to worry about keeping them up.

Uh. I forgot something else to reference in your post, brb.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
21:44 / 06.08.08
Oh, the gifts!!!!

We'd like to notify those attending that we'd appreciate it if they would contribute to animal charities that we feel passionately about instead of giving us fucking toasters.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:27 / 06.08.08
I disagree with my beloved: if the toasters are indeed fucking they will be accepted with open arms.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
22:28 / 06.08.08
But, my sweet, we can't afford little baby toasters all over the house!
 
 
HCE
22:49 / 06.08.08
I just realized that some of my sentences were very weird. I'm glad you were able to make sense of them.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
00:12 / 07.08.08
They were not that weird. I thank you for insights all the same.

I know every potential bride says this: but really, I want this to be a small affair.

(waits for all the brides/grooms on Barbelith to start their unison of knowing laughter)
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:24 / 07.08.08
Woo-hoo, wedding! Me loves wedding. Never had one of my own, granted, but it's great to see your friends hooking up for good.

Kali, Matt, my best wishes to you two, may your life together be all you want it to be, and much more, with many baby toasters around the house! (toaster breeding may be lucrative, who knows? But don't mix them with wafflers. Natural enemies and all that)

My only regret is that I live too far away to crash into your wedding. And the only advice I can give you is this: INVITE THE PEOPLE YOU LOVE, not the people people tell you should invite*. AND DANCE WITH THEM ALL NIGHT LONG. Honey-moon can wait one more day (can't it?)

* this advice may seem a bit obvious, but it's all I got. And you'd be amazed at how many people commit that mistake.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
01:04 / 07.08.08
Well, I've sort of done this ruthless wedding invite contest in me head: If I haven't hung out with you in the past 6-8 months, then you're not invited. Not to say I don't care about you, but if you haven't attempted to share in the joy or at least contacted me to go see movies or what not, then you'll probably just be contented to congratulate me the next time you see me.
 
 
grant
02:02 / 07.08.08
Do something that will make family members and certain close friends feel necessary and useful. That's what most folks really want, plus, you know, it gets necessary and useful things done. Accept bits of the wedding in lieu of traditional gifts - know any florists? Professional musicians? Chefs? Photographers? (Or just capable aspiring/amateur ones?)

This is one route to memorability.

Also, have a trusted few friends who will Take Care of Things on the day itself, so you can actually enjoy yourself rather than worrying about whether the fried rice is really vegan or why the stylist didn't show up (actually happened to my wife; stylist=someone who was being paid, as opposed to a florist/musician/photographer who we happened to know, so go figure).

(And as it turned out, her niece did a better job anyway.)

One of my favorite weddings (as a guest) was that of a friend in a band. He and his wife had a very private family-only ceremony in a park, then a reception that was really a big rock show. They were friendly with the club, got a few of us to do opening things, then, like, his band and her band played a gig. Food was minimal, earplugs were a good idea, and it was kind of perfect for who they both were.

Oh, and there are unexpected ways to save a buck here and there. For reception, an all vegetarian buffet is fairly cheap, and if done well, won't really make anyone feel like they've missed something.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
02:42 / 07.08.08
well, granticus, that's pretty much what we're aiming for.

Actual wedding in a public park: plus.

Upon discussion with Matt, I have good mates who own an art gallery, so potential cheap, if not free, reception space there.

It's going to be an awesome DIY wedding and that's what I want. And dammit, I'm the bride. As you told me, old friend, all those years ago, I've been ready to find my man. And I so did.

What did you and lady do about invites? I seem to be preoccupied with the wording.
 
 
Katherine
11:19 / 07.08.08
On the photographic side make sure you have a look at complete weddings not just a selection of photographs from a few weddings to get an overview of the style of photography that each photographer does. Also make sure that the photographs you are viewing are the photographer who will be doing your wedding. I used to work as a professional photographer and was (still am) amazed at some of the low tricks used to get business.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
11:50 / 07.08.08
Fair enough. I had read that you're supposed to ask to see everything from wedding photos, not just the purty ones.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
12:19 / 07.08.08
We typeset our own invites on word, bought a kit at staples (Recycled handmade paper) , and had them laser printed at the UPS Store. They looked great and the whole thing cost roughly $120 CDN. You can do nice invites on the cheap side...

For bonbonieres, we bought 100 Norway Spruce Seedlings from a nursery which we then wraped in a nice celophane and attached personalized cards (Bought a kit of blank business cards at staples and printed at home.) Kind of a carbon off-set, even though I didn't think of it at the time. I liked the idea of loved ones planting a momento of the wedding and watching it grow. Again, it was cheap: $70 for trees and cellophane and about 4 or 5 hours of work.

We skimped and saved as much as we could to splurge on the venue and meal: We got married Here, a place near my cottage. The food was great and the scenery was fantastic. There were wild deer on the property and he had a pen with goats and sheep. The chapel was 100 metres from the Auberge and we had my cousin officiate. We had 93 guests and they could rent a room on site (The owner also had 4 other cottages) or people could stay at my parents or cousins' cottages.

Getting married was a lot of fun, Best wishes to you and Matt, you will have one of the best days of your lives.
 
 
Ticker
14:02 / 07.08.08
we got hitched in a park but had a backup rain location/shit weather location lined up for emergency and made sure all the guests knew where it was and how a decision would be made which location would be the one.

Early on the spouse and I sat down and decided which things we each gave a shit about in the panorama of wedding frivolity. Then as he was extra wotevs I asked his fam. Turns out pictures, nice poised like ones, were important not only to me but his older relatives because, well we have shit memories. I also found out which songs the oldsters liked so they would have at least one or two the could get into.

I appointed family wranglers who knew the conflicts likely to emerge from booze and excitement and asked them to keep an eye on the potential hotspots. As we had a dual divorce parental combo it was very important to make sure some sensitive types were on duty as buffers. But not us. We were busy being spoony.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to figure out a head of time what are the aspects of getting married and having the event that the couple cares about. It was a chance for me to be a total fiend about flowers because it is a luxury I never really indulge in. Anything you don't care about or doesn't matter to a dear relative scratch off the list. I made keepsake items for our guests because it made me feel really good to make sure everyone got something magical from us on teh special day, but screw the stupid candied almonds right in the ear. If it means something do it, if not jettison it.

Because we had older relatives who might not be able to stand very long in the park we picked a section with a few benches for them. We made sure they could get from the ceremony site to the reception site with ease and had designated helpers to make sure of it. I also had drunk driver patrol friends so again I didn't have to worry who was doing what while I was being a space muffin.

It was also very nice to have a close friend help me with whatever I needed (dress/hair pins, shot of booze, get that relative away right now please before I scream). This friend was also prepped for any weird emotional stress I might fling at her because it was a high octane sort of day.

I set aside tip money for the stellar staff handling much of the event. The DJ was a good friend who did the deed as our wedding present but I made sure he was being supplied with booze and could step down from time to time. the photographer was a friend but I paid him so he could put the lurve into the extra quality. it was nice to have a pro wrangle the people for pictures as well.

I kept costs down by doing much of the work myself or with the spouse and enlisting the happy help of wellwishers. I made sure everyone who helped was thanked and got a token of appreciation.

I suggest a good thing to think about is why are you inviting people and having a group event. What kind of experience do you want to share with those people? What are the fairytale dreamy shmooshy things you've always wanted or what are the ones other people are imposing on you that you don't?
 
 
grant
18:01 / 07.08.08
Invites: relatively inexpensive cards that had a photo of pink flamingos on 'em. I think they may have been intended as ... I dunno, really. Anniversary party cards? One flamingo had a bow tie and the other had a veil, but they were decidedly not your typical $500m hand-rinsed platinum-gilded vellum cards. I think they cost like $50 to print up. Or did we DIY those? I can't remember.

Anyway, it was just the front of the card, so words were few. Who we were, when/where, RSVP info.

Oh, and on the screwing candy almonds front, my perspicacious spouse found a joint that'd print matchbooks for cheap. Half had our initials + date, the other half had a Punjabi proverb (or so it claimed) I'd found somewhere... "Heaven is in the hut of my beloved. Set the palaces on fire!" which had a nice incitement-to-riot tone.
 
 
HCE
23:40 / 07.08.08
If I haven't hung out with you in the past 6-8 months, then you're not invited

I did it the other way around, not inviting anybody I hadn't known for years.

I've gone to tons of weddings, and the one that stands out most in my mind was that of a young couple who had thirty or so friends over for a ceremony in their back yard. They had tiny lights in the trees, flowers for people to put in their hair, a little machine blowing soap bubbles, and bowls of goldfish for centerpieces. They didn't have anybody marry them, they married themselves (I think they did the legal paperwork later). It was so sincere, which I think made the difference.

If you're stuck for wording, try calling yourself and leaving the information as a voicemail. For some reason this trick often forces me to sort the wording out in my head -- I think there must be some phone etiquette program that kicks in and sorts the info into some kind of order. Might work for you.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
03:07 / 19.08.08
Update:

I've decided to have the wedding here at the Atlanta Botanical Garden".

It's pretty, it's got flowers, and it's still the somewhat outdoorsy MattS and I were looking for. Only in the city.

For wedding favors for our guests we are giving out personalized bookmarks. (Cheesy, yes, you say? Not really. We're huge readers and this seems somewhat appropriate.)

Cocktail reception is confirmed. And a really cool local band that does Sinatra/Presley/old soul covers as the entertainment.

I think it will pretty swell, Barbelith. And as we're doing our own wedding vows, if you think you guys won't be mentioned, you're nuts.
 
 
Saint Keggers
04:00 / 19.08.08
as long as you dont mention my nuts.
 
  
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