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What has the metaverse told you?

 
 
Foretold Soldier
17:30 / 29.07.08
As mentioned before, I am rather virgin to the bulk of magical practices. I have my own ways of doing things for now and haven't truly delved deep in to the methods and such. I have spoken to several beings however, and have been told quite a few things. What have you learned/been told by beings from beyond this universe?

Some of my personal experiences were attached with a warning, "Don't tell anyone about us." and so I didn't, and won't.

However, follow up experiences with similar beings had no warning, and felt almost as if they were attacks on my spirit. I was once confronted by a shadow being projected through some kind of astral gate.

My initial contact with these beings begins usually with the sacred herb salvia, and the follow ups are brought on with other methods.

Anyone else like to share?
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:54 / 30.07.08
Are you taking salvia as part of any organised ritual, or with any other people present?

Some of my personal experiences were attached with a warning, "Don't tell anyone about us." and so I didn't, and won't.

Not all then? Quid pro quo Agent Starling, you go first.
 
 
Char Aina
17:04 / 30.07.08
To be fair, that rather implies you are then going to go, which seems unlikely. Unless maybe you are?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:19 / 30.07.08
I was hoping to continue the game of making progressively worse posts to this thread. Pray Christ I have succeeded.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:25 / 30.07.08
Slightly more seriously: it sounds like taking one kind of drug causes you to experience one kind of thing, whereas other kinds of drug cause you to experience something else. Is that broadly accurate?
 
 
Foretold Soldier
18:41 / 30.07.08
The effects are different, the world they lead to is the same. It is the same with religion. One religion brings you spiritual knowledge one way, another may do it completely different. The interpretations you give this knowledge is always different, but they all wish for you to have the same spiritual understanding, even if this has been corrupt over time.

I have a partner in which I use Salvia with, but I wasn't really looking to talk about my personal experiences now.
 
 
Princess
20:09 / 30.07.08
Arrrgh! The computer just eat several hundred words of reply. How aggravating

Right, I'll try again. It feels weird talking about this, because it makes me sound a bit like a schizophrenic. Also, the things seem to be ahppening in a deep part of me, and exposing your deep parts (insert pun here) is always a bit scary.

Anyway, I believe that God (capital G, Judaeo-Christian, God) has spoken to me on a number of occasions. There's a fluctuating sense of her presence through my day, and I've felt her presence influencing thoughts. And I've had thoughts arrive in my head that definetly felt as if they came from "outside".

But, that's all a bit vague and subjective and about discerning what's me being clever and what's her speaking through my own scratty thought processes. Just about listening out to when ever she might be trying to tell me something.Occasionally this deepens into just "knowing" things, or having mini revelations to pass onto people. Nothing so grand as a prophecy, more "prophecettes".

But I have had one, count'em, one ecstatic experience lasting less than five minutes. It was really good. The colour green featured heavily, as did a deep feeling of communion.

And I have had a literal "voice in my head" type dealy, where another voice (I assume God's as I was talking to her at the time) issued a command to me.

I've also had other people at my church, strangers in fact, come up and deliver messages to me out of the blue. They've just come up, usually apologised for intruding, and said something relevant and useful to my life. Which was scary at first.

So there we go, yes I think non-material beings have communicated to me. Loads. And it's all been pretty useful.
 
 
Neon Snake
20:21 / 30.07.08
Well, I've had a number of prophetic dreams, where the event has come true almost immediately (ie. no more than 2-3 days), and was both entirely uninfluencible (sp? fuck spelling, is it even a word?) by me, and also reasonably unlikely to occur in the given timespace.

But, look:

I wasn't really looking to talk about my personal experiences now.

Problem with that, is that I've got no idea if the above (my dreams) are what you are looking for, since you are unwilling to provide examples. I recognise the sensitive nature of these kind of things, but can you give us a more general idea?

Also...well, what are you looking to get out of it, if you wish us to share, but are unwilling to do so yourself?
 
 
Foretold Soldier
04:16 / 31.07.08
I generally meant any kind of important message, or dream that lead you to something, or maybe an experience that you truly felt came from outside of your being.

Another experience i had was when I was GIVEN (I did not choose to have this experience, as I wasn't even sitting around thinking of inventing these ideas) the image of every version of the ultimate Brahma type existence I'd ever felt was true. I had an image of every version of god I'd had since i was the youngest i can remember it. Every living type of harmonic system of the universe I had ever felt a connection to. Every thing. All of this in one image. I was just sitting down in the shower when it hit me very suddenly. It took my breath away initially. This all came to me in such a way that it lead me to renew dedication in my pursuit of ultimate knowledge and ascetic way of living.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:55 / 31.07.08
To be fair, that rather implies you are then going to go, which seems unlikely. Unless maybe you are?

No, no I'm not. Sorry if I gave that impression. Foretold, just to clue you in, I'm not a believer in spirits, gods, or magic. But I do enjoy discussing the subject.
Apologies for the crappy posting, I was having a day of it yesterday.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:06 / 31.07.08
I'm finding this thread a bit difficult to interact with, and I think it has something to do with the sense of revelatory expectancy, and the way in which these encounters are being framed as a form of privileged experience. I think a lot of people who get into magic really lust after this type of contact experience - be it deity contact or anything that appears to be genuine communication from something beyond your "self". Encounters with spirits and suchlike don't really have any place in our culture and society, so are viewed as something very special and weird when and if they happen. Something like Philip K Dick's VALIS experiences are a good example of this - a very unusual inexplicable subjective occurrence that's viewed almost as a talisman of "the other" and the unknown, and the potential for the unknown to suddenly intrude upon the known. I'd say that Crowley's reception of Liber AL is another obvious example of this phenomena in our culture, as well as a perfect example of how this material tends to be regarded in revelatory terms after the fact. There's possibly parallels to be drawn with UFO encounters or any of the range of bizarre and inexplicable "contact experiences" that some people report, and more people yearn for. It's as if there's this deep hunger for the magical in our culture - a desire for that one experience that is going to prove to you once and for all that there is mystery and magic in the universe beyond the unsatisfying drudge of 9-5 jobs, suffering and taxes.

I think I have a slightly different perspective on this stuff, as the bread and butter of my practice is exactly this sort of spirit work. I think the lust for result concerning these encounters is entirely natural in our culture, but in other cultures that permit more of a space for this sort of contact scenario to play out, it really isn't such a tremendous fuss when these things happen. In my Voodoo practice, direct contact and communication with the Lwa is a daily occurrence. It's so entirely normalised into my life, that this thread might as well be asking me to list all the telephone conversations that I've had or all the text messages that I've received. Me and the Spirits shoot the breeze all the time, about all sorts of stuff, and whilst it's always a profound and meaningful dialogue, and a driver of extremely valuable personal insight and understanding, these interactions are rarely coated with that gloss of "revelatory expectancy" that contact experiences in the west are often painted with. There is very rarely a sense that "Deity X has chosen me as his prophet to deliver this important message unto humanity"; and the sort of communication I get is often a lot more about deep insights into a deity's mysteries: how their mysteries manifest in the world, and how the worldly manifestation of their mysteries relates to the various things that I might have going on in my life.

This is possibly related to the particular nature of the deities I spend most of my spirit time talking with, but I think it also has a lot to do with cultural factors and how we frame these things. I practice western magic as well as Voodoo, and I do occasionally get contact experiences that are more in the former mode. The most recent of which involved my partner receiving late night dream transmissions from Sirius in an alien language, that were apparently intended for me. I think that if I had that happen at an earlier stage in my magical career I might have viewed it quite differently. It was all a bit Rose Crowley - and I think that in less experienced hands, it would have inevitably led to the proclamation of a new Aeon, a limited edition hardback of channeled writings, and a drearily predictable spiral of pomposity from which I might never emerge. But viewing it from the perspective where deity contact is fairly normalised into my experience, I had no compulsion to go down that route with it.

It's just something I've filed away - along with similar prior encounters in that mode - as interesting, and probably relevant to my practice on some level, but not really a big deal. Every so often I'll have that sort of thing come up, and who knows what it's all about - for all I know it might be vitally important and I'll only really understand its relevance ten years from now - but right now it's just an odd thing that doesn't really fit in with anything else I'm doing. It doesn't really help me very much, and it doesn't give me any insight into anything going on in my life. It's essentially just someone calling me up and talking a load of gibberish down the phone at me that I don't understand. I'm actually used to getting useful and pertinent information through that phone from deities who I know very well and have very close relationships with, so when "alien transmissions" such as this come up, they happen in an established context of spirit communication and I respond to them quite differently from how I might if I didn't have that established context.

I think that a list thread, where contributors are asked to recount their experiences of "communication from the metaverse" (whatever that is) is a bit pointless and unsatisfying if it doesn't delve into these questions around cultural and personal context, and how we choose to interpret and respond to the basic subjective experience that has occurred.
 
 
Neon Snake
10:43 / 31.07.08
I generally meant any kind of important message, or dream that lead you to something, or maybe an experience that you truly felt came from outside of your being.

Ah, ok.

In that case, yes. As mentioned, I occasionally have dreams which come true. By occasionally, I mean maybe half a dozen times in my life.
I very, very rarely remember my dreams, so it's noteworthy when I do. Most (ie. 99.9999%) are "just dreams", and I pay them no mind.
But occasionally, I have a dream that is very normal, about an event in the future, and something important happens that matters and can affect the outcome.
The "something important" is something that is out of my hands, and so cannot have been influenced by myself (consciously or subconsciously). It is also something that would normally be very unlikely to happen under the circumstances; foreknowledge of it tends to help me plan a response.

Sometimes these have been completely trivial, other times have been more important.

It's worth noting that I haven't a clue where these dreams come from, nor am I especially bothered about trying to find out.

I do a lot of divining and forecasting with the I Ching and with runes; I'm similarly nonchalant about where the forecasts are actually being delivered from (or by "whom", if you people are more comfortable framing it like that). It works, is accurate, and has stood up to testing, so that's where my interest in the mechanics ends.

I mention this because it seems to me that you are interested in why you are getting these images, as well as what the images consist of.
 
 
Neon Snake
10:46 / 31.07.08
Ah, crap. In my post above, I've put this line:-

(or by "whom", if you people are more comfortable framing it like that)

I originally wrote "if you are", and mean't to change it to "if people are".

"If you people are" sounds awfully judgemental about "you people"; it's just a mistype, folks!
 
 
Foretold Soldier
01:38 / 01.08.08
I take what you say in to account Gypsy. I stand by what I asked though, I just like to share open dialog of our personal spiritual experiences, and that's all I really care to talk about. I don't find the whole "keep it all behind closed doors" stuff that Christians practice with their spirituality. I don't spend time with anyone really, and those I do spend time with are totally open with their spirituality and their experiences are just what they are.

If you don't feel that speaking past the wall is particularly special, what was your most important experiences with your spirit work?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
03:10 / 01.08.08
I stand by what I asked though, I just like to share open dialog of our personal spiritual experiences, and that's all I really care to talk about.

That's a rather large, vague subject. A lot of previous threads could fit into that category. We generally go for a more organized approach to discussion in this forum.

I don't find the whole "keep it all behind closed doors" stuff that Christians practice with their spirituality.

You don't find it what? What does that mean? What the hell does "keep it all behind closed doors" stuff refer to? Which Christians practice it? Can we avoid generalizations like these, please?

I don't spend time with anyone really, and those I do spend time with are totally open with their spirituality and their experiences are just what they are.

That's the problem with subjective experiences, though. What are they? Saying "they are just what they are" is a good way to shut down a discussion.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
03:12 / 01.08.08
Allow me to echo Gypsy:

I think that a list thread, where contributors are asked to recount their experiences of "communication from the metaverse" (whatever that is) is a bit pointless and unsatisfying if it doesn't delve into these questions around cultural and personal context, and how we choose to interpret and respond to the basic subjective experience that has occurred.

Indeed. Foretold Soldier, I think you'll find posters here are very happy to talk about what I think you're getting at, but we'll need some direction.
 
 
Foretold Soldier
04:26 / 01.08.08
Ah see, I was confused. I'd thought that every one had stories that followed the general question, "What have you learned/been told by beings from beyond this universe?" and they'd know personally of what would be interesting.

I am new here of course, so i don't know every one's history and perhaps revelations and such that they could have posted.

Next time, I will be sure to inquire something so specific that at least some one could answer it, somewhere. Even if they aren't a member of this forum.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:45 / 01.08.08
I don't find the whole "keep it all behind closed doors" stuff that Christians practice with their spirituality.

Do Christians really keep their spirituality behind closed doors? I'd say my main issues with certain branches of Christianity is that they don't keep it behind closed doors but proselytize and seek to impose their specific reading of the spiritual on others. Sweeping and disparaging statements about what "The Christians" do aren't particularly helpful though. There's one or two Christians who post to this forum, and probably more who lurk and read it. I don't think it's particularly conducive to open dialogue to make this sort of unsubstantiated generalisation about what they are like and what they do.

I was just attempting to give the thread a bit more direction and draw out some tangential themes, because as it stands, reading a list of people's personal "contact" experiences is a bit like reading a list of people's meaningful dreams. They lose something in the retelling, and are often intended for that person rather than for public consumption on the internet. I'm not sure if any of my communications from deity or insights into a particular deity's mysteries would really mean anything to you, without a lot of background knowledge of the context that those encounters took place within. Also, all contact experiences are pretty subjective, and the contactee is always very complicit in the interpretation of the phenomena they have experienced. A lot can happen cognitively between the core experience and the written account that someone might give, and any "revelatory" material has always passed through the filter of the person that has received it. I think all of this has to be taken into account in a thread where people have been invited to talk about their experiences of entity communication, or else it risks ending up as a random list of fragments that probably won't mean much to anyone other than the person who had the experience.

I'm not sure what you are hoping to get out of this thread. Do you think that the contact experiences of others are going to be relevant or meaningful to you and your practice? I reckon they almost certainly won't be. I dunno, there's something a bit uncomfortably voyeuristic about this thread and the previous one about mental illness that you started. You seem very keen on asking others to share very personal information without offering any contributions along similar lines yourself.
 
 
Neon Snake
09:10 / 01.08.08
Have the answers that you've had so far helped you at all, Foretold Soldier?

Princess Augustine the Hippo has gone into some encounters they've had with God, Gypsy Lantern has their daily encounters with The Lwa, and their more occasional encounters with beings from outside their Voodoo practice, and I've detailed my encounters with, well, summink that I generally refer to as The Tao.

Have these helped you contextualise your own encounters? Is that what you were looking for?
 
 
Foretold Soldier
17:28 / 01.08.08
Aha, and now I see where the miscommunication occured...

I wasn't looking for the experiences of practice, I was asking what have you been taught from these experiences. What have you been told to do, what have you been told you should change about yourself?

I wouldn't particularly be interested in a list of EXPERIENCES, just what the lessons learned from them.

What I'm getting out of the thread is that I believe there is a certain way that generally revolves around spirituality of all kinds, and that they all funnel in to the same direction no matter how different that direction looks for each. I was interested in seeing what was connected through each member and their unique individual practice, as to have a connect the dots sort of thing going here.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:36 / 01.08.08
Hmm. Sounds like the Commonality of Experience thread is for you.
 
 
Princess
17:51 / 01.08.08
Um, agreeing with Gypsy there. What secret Christianity are you talking about FS? I have an accountability group where we discuss where we're going with God, I have a church I attend, and a group of friends who are all very open about prayer experiences/results etc. A lot of this happens in hecka big buildings with massive metal crosses on the front and signs telling people to come on in.

Christians, as a group of people, are hardly reticient in sharing their experiences. There are even magazines entirely full of "inspiring Christian testimony". It's all part of that evangelism kick. (Which, again agreeing with Gypsy, is something I often feel uncomfortable with.)

However, and this is sort of opposite to what I've just said, I do think that the most important parts of Christianity do have to be hidden, at least to begin. My experience, which I admit isn't the universal one in the church, is far too sensitive to handout willy-nilly. I'm worshipping a God who wants to have me, possess me, penetrate me. Sometimes prayer feels not dissimilar to sex, or at least the build up.

This shit is deep, it's personal. It's all about opening up to my Lover in the most authentic, honest, vulnerable way I can. Ze and I are open to each other in a way that perhaps is hard/dangerous to attempt in general life.

That metaphor about meeting God in the "bedchamber of the heart" has began to make sense to me. If I was fucking someone and it mattered to me, I probably wouldn't give you all the gory details. Because it would leave me very vulnerable. If God's touching all my brokenness and awfulness, I can't very tell you about it without revealing said brokenness.

So there has to be a balance struck between secrecy and openness. I mean, yes, Christianity does have the whole focus on Divine vulnerability (turn the other cheek and stick me on the cross etc) but I wouldn't, personally, be brave enough to follow that through at the moment.

I can only assume that people dealing with other Mysteries have similar issues. Deep personal communion is, well, deep and personal. It is a brave and risky thing to reveal the nature of that communion, and it doesn't seem a lot is being offered in exchange.

I'll get my winkle out when you do, y'know?
 
 
Foretold Soldier
23:36 / 01.08.08
I wasn't referring to real Christians, as they do not keep their religion behind closed doors, however I was referring to the theoretical christianity that the bible teaches in which the servants of god pray at home away from the windows so no one sees them praying but god. Aye?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
01:33 / 02.08.08
I assume you're referring to Matthew 6:5-6:

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."

I can't think of any other relevant texts within the Bible that have anything to do with praying in secret off the top of my head.
 
 
Ticker
17:35 / 06.08.08
it would have inevitably led to the proclamation of a new Aeon, a limited edition hardback of channeled writings, and a drearily predictable spiral of pomposity from which I might never emerge. But viewing it from the perspective where deity contact is fairly normalised into my experience, I had no compulsion to go down that route with it.

Yeah that's it really in nutshell for me. Sadly once upon a time my knee jerk reaction was so 'no way am I going to be a cult leader and live in a hut on a hill' that I missed the point of the communication entirely. We seem to be in a culture that as GL points out treats this type of interaction like an all or nothing defining moment as opposed to maintaining right relationships by exchanging experiences.

I've been reading a fair amount on stone masonry lately and one of the experts mentions listening to the stones for advice on how to build with them.

"Rocks can sing you endless songs of gravity and friction and lecture for days on sense of place." - Jose Garcia

Seems to make sense to me...For those who are engaged in these conversations all the time a few more with new friends isn't surprising.

However, it is good to understand signal clarity. I find having peers I can talk to about my experiences and other relationships very helpful when sorting out the very strange stuff.
 
  
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