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Diamond and Grant Morrison: The Early Years

 
 
TimCallahan
04:43 / 16.07.08
Just a bit of news to pass along. Many of you have probably already picked up the first edition of "Grant Morrison: The Early Years," but Diamond has signed a deal to become the exclusive distributor of the book for a while. What that means is that your comic shop can now order a copy for you--instead of dealing with Amazon or whatever--or you can order a copy through your LCS. It's in the July Previews--use order code JUL084473 for the book and let me know if you liked it.

By the way, it's a slightly revised and expanded edition with a revamped cover. You can see a bit more about it HERE.

(Also, I've been posting commentary on Morrison's recent Batman run if you haven't stopped by to check that out yet)

Thanks for your support on this stuff over the past year or two! And I'll pass along info about the "Teenagers from the Future" book when that becomes available. (Should be soon.)
 
 
Mike Phillips
14:28 / 22.07.08
You guys can help support comics scholarship here. At Sequart.org we're publishing books that take comics seriously, and Tim's book about some of Grant's early work is very good. Make sure you speak to your local comic store owner about ordering a copy soon. The Diamond/Previews deadline is in a few days.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:15 / 22.07.08


Great news, guys! Congratulations!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:01 / 22.07.08
Tim/Mike -- there's some discussion over here regarding your plugging your academic works, so you might want to take a look at that and perhaps respond there. An existing thread is available in the Convo for Barbenauts to plug their outside interests and work, and we'd really appreciate it if you made use of that, or maybe focused on a general "Comics & Academia" / "Comics Scholarship" thread which would hopefully include more genuine content and discussion aboard the Good Ship Barbelith itself.

As brb said, "Of course, if they'd like to talk about their ideas here, that would be most welcome and would not only benefit Barbelith by stimulating discussion, it would probably more effectively entice people to look into buying their books. Win-win."
 
 
Mike Phillips
15:17 / 23.07.08
Is there a Barbe-plug in the comics section, or is there just the main one in the general area?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:07 / 23.07.08
Just the one in the Convo.
 
 
TimCallahan
21:48 / 04.08.08
Someone raised the question: "why Diamond?" and although Mike could probably answer the question with, I don't know, actual facts, my impression is that Sequart wants to have a relationship with Diamond for a couple of reasons:

1. They are basically the only game in town if you're talking direct market distribution, so it's foolish to not have a relationship with them.

2. It allows Sequart to get the book in more people's hands so they can see the quality for themselves.

3. It allows Sequart to print-to-order, which they may or may not take advantage of--but it's certainly an advantage when you know how many copies you need to print to meet demand.

The downside is that book won't be available through other markets until after it's out in comic shops. But the Sequart guys don't see that as much of a drawback at all, especially with a book that should have perennial interest.

I think.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:53 / 04.08.08
Ok, so help me out. When you say:

2. It allows Sequart to get the book in more people's hands so they can see the quality for themselves.

What's the logic, there? As I understand it, Diamond will only get it into comic shops. Is the thinking - which I think is perfectly reasonable - that people in general interest bookstores will not be interested in reading a book about Grant Morrison's early work (especially in the US, where it wasn't released in the first place)? Conversely, if Diamond is _not_ distributing it, would that make it hard to distribute to comic book stores?
 
 
TimCallahan
22:10 / 04.08.08
Let me answer the second part first. If Diamond's not distributing it, it's practically impossible to get it into comic stores. They each have to order it individually from the publisher. Which Meltdown in LA has done, but nobody else has (at least not with Sequart).

And while it's available in theory through general interest bookstores, it's not on many shelves. So it's pretty much been just at Amazon.com or Barnes and Noble.com so far (mostly), and that doesn't allow readers to flip through the book, really.
 
 
museum in time, tiger in space
03:19 / 22.08.08
Just thought I'd note that this book has now been reviewed by Noah Berlatsky, in the Comics Journal, with the review being reprinted here. It's not very positive:

The book is amateurish in every bad sense of the word. There’s no index. The proofreading gaffes are sometimes so overwhelming as to make the text difficult to read. And there are multiple errors of fact ... overall, this book just made me embarrassed of my 12-year old self, who probably would have had enough sense not to enjoy reading it, but might well have written something like it if he’d had the chance.

Any thoughts from the author, or anyone who's had a chance to read it?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:02 / 22.08.08
I haven't read it yet, butouch. That's a nasty write-up. The Amazon page has three five-star reviews, by way of balance, although admittedly one is from the editor. Halflingslinger.
 
 
TimCallahan
11:35 / 22.08.08
I buy TCJ regularly, so I read Berlatsky's review. Obviously I disagree with his comments, but then again, he's been vocally opposed to the superhero genre (just take a look at his Top 10 additions to the Comics Journal Best of 2007 issue), so having him review a book about superhero comics is kind of like having my mom review Watchmen. (She would say, "it's not very good, with all those mean people doing mean things to eachother.")

He reviewed the first edition, also, which had a couple of silly errors in it that have been corrected.
 
 
Malio
11:58 / 22.08.08
I had a quick scan through Noah Berlatsky's blog and came across an opinion as daft as this: "Grant Morrison's one of the genres great writers -- why put him on Superman, a character in which, as far as I can tell, he has little interest?", which makes me a wee bit skeptical of his views.

I've read Callahan's book and would recommend it. If you've read Zenith/Animal Man/Doom Patrol/Arkham Asylum/Gothic you'll definitely find some interesting stuff in there. My only criticism of it is that it doesn't assume the reader has already read these stories (perhaps understandably in the case of Zenith) and too much time is spent summarising simple plot exposition.

I was disappointed to read that Callahan seems to have abandoned plans for a follow-up book.
 
 
dark horse
12:59 / 22.08.08
yeah when this guy says there are "multiple errors of fact" and then gives the examples about "Cliff Steele’s robot body explodes after a brain transplant" and the stuff about zenith and copyright we have to ask, who are we going to choose to believe? the killjoy who hates superheroes, or a guy who is obviously a devoted fan of grant's work and has taken the time to research and write a book of scholarship about them?

also this is just dickish and unprofessional: "he also politely punctures several of Callahan’s pet theories, which (given the level of animosity I had worked up after trudging through all 200-odd pages) is quite satisfying."

also that x-men trilogy book sounds rad.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:35 / 22.08.08
Are you real wildstallion? I hope you're real.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:58 / 22.08.08
I hope you're real.

Geoff Johns told me he's actually Parallax wearing Hal Jordan's body.

Dear Hal was never the same after the death of Superman. Driven feral almost.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:59 / 22.08.08
Are you suggesting that Wildstallion had a girlfriend in Coast City? I see a number of reasons why that is improbable.
 
 
dark horse
14:25 / 22.08.08
um no i don't have a girlfriend anywhere as yet although i'm working on it! anyway i hope i'm as real as you... although i guess batman/superman aren't "real"... or are they?!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:49 / 22.08.08
When written by Grant Morrison, they are more real than you or me.
 
 
dark horse
15:55 / 22.08.08
i know youre kidding with that famous haus "sense of humor" but it was actually grant morrison who introduced me to the idea that characters who are so prominent in popular culture or the public consciosness like superman and batman might be "real" in a way, and that our own personalities are kind of like personas that we create and so in a way therefore can be said to be "fictions"... i guess on an internet board like this that's even more true! anyway i'm sure the "cool eggheads and stoner motherfuckers" on barbelith have been familiar with these ideas for a while but i think it's cool that tim's book can bring those ideas to new people, i'm relatively new to them myself.
 
 
Char Aina
16:14 / 22.08.08
Do you think they will bring them to new people? I got the feeling the book wouldn't be of much interest outside the Morrison fanbase. I don't think he's anything like a household name. He isn't even a household name in his home town, y'know?

Now, if he was in Franz Ferdinand...
 
 
TimCallahan
19:35 / 22.08.08
My editor liked the plot summaries, so that's what I went with, and went into some analysis after that. But feel free to skim past the plot summaries if you've read the damn comics, that's for sure.

I'm sure this sounds naive, but I wanted the book to be accessible to anyone -- even someone unfamiliar with Morrison's work -- and interesting even to people who've read everything Morrison's written. That's a pretty diverse audience, to be sure, but I'm all about including everyone.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:35 / 23.08.08
wildstallion - that's you isn't it Flyboy?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:36 / 23.08.08
Look! Over there! It's the topic! Why don't you all go look at it?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:09 / 23.08.08
wildstallion - that's you isn't it Flyboy?

Meaningful silence.
 
 
dark horse
12:55 / 25.08.08
wow i go away for the weekend and come back to read this! i didn't know what you were talking about batman until i used the search function, i guess you mean this guy?anyway no while i am very "fly" i am just me, kevin AKA wildstallion, sorry to disappoint....

anyway i have always been trying to stay on the topic and like our lady says i think we should get back to it... i for one think tim's book will help bring comics to a wider audience, after all lets face it more people do go into bookstores than comic stores, so having this book on the shelves of borders, barnes and noble etc makes it likely that somebody who wouldn't otherwise read comics might see it there, be intrigued by the cool cover and pick it up to take a look... whatever else it can't hurt right?
 
 
juju eyeballs
13:42 / 25.08.08
I enjoyed the book. The plot summaries were useful for me in the Zenith chapters, as I have yet to read it (it should really be reprinted in a collection, is it caught in legal limbo or something?)
The summaries were also quite helpful in remembering plot points and details I'd forgotten.
I also enjoyed the analysis, and I think the reviewer for TCJ is off the mark when he says Morrison shoots down Callahan's pet theories, iirc Morrison talks about his intentions when he wrote the different stories and acknowledges Callahan's theories as valid interpretations of the texts.
The approach of the book reminds me of Douglas Wolk's Reading Comics, in that it is written from both a fan's point of view and a scholar, and mixes the passion and the distance that is required for both very well.
I'm also disappointed that plans for a second book has been shelved for the moment.

(Oh, and I think wildstallion could benefit from lurking more)
 
 
dark horse
14:26 / 26.08.08
"(Oh, and I think wildstallion could benefit from lurking more)"

i guess your right; i seem to be being misunderstood for whatever reason... time to take some time out i guess.
 
 
ginger
02:24 / 28.08.08
Sorry, going to sound like a cock here. Own it, read it; it has its uses, but they’re pretty limited. The plot rehashes, which’re extensive, are useful, as noted above, if you can’t get hold of anything mentioned in the book, though redundant if you can; I’ve lent my copy out to a student in desperation when teaching Morrison stuff, when every copy of a given TPB’s gone from the shops in town, and Amazon’s been on a week’s delay. I fear I tend to warn them against its fannish nature.

I’m glad that the new edition’s ‘improved’; I hope the second edition sorts out some of the copy-editing cock-ups in the first. For instance, your average first-year university student knows that footnote numbers are ideally inserted at the end of sentences; the book gets this right half the time, but at random. I know it’s a minor quibble, but when you’re trying to pass something off as an ‘academic’ book, it helps if it at least looks like one. It wouldn’t make it any less accessible.

Whilst the Comics Journal article’s a wee bit bitchy, that opening quotation draws blood; it’s a shame that the thoroughness displayed in transcribing the plots of comics isn’t matched by some kind of intellectual heft and research, beyond undeveloped references to Joseph Campbell and T.S. Eliot. The gushing tone of the thing really is somewhat overwhelming, and further bleeds credibility.

There’s a huge amount to be dealt with in early Morrison comics; an accessible book that’d provide a reader with enough to get them through the references to Bohm and Dada would be very useful indeed, and, from the cover, that’d seem to be what ‘Grant Morrison: The Early Years’ is. Needless to say, it isn’t. It’s a missed opportunity; a load of plot rehashes, name-dropping Bohm and Dada, glossing over what they actually said, whilst completely failing to mention Situationism or any influences that’d require more than a knowledge of the primary texts. I understand that giving a decent account of implicate order, whilst remaining accessible and still making Morrison look good, might be a bit tricky, but it would’ve made the book worth $23.

All that said, the interview’s really very interesting; it’s good to see an interview on Morrison’s early stuff conducted at this range. The interview’s really the reason to buy the book, if you’re sufficiently interested; depending on your resources, it might be worth it for the ‘Zenith’ plot description, too, which is fine, as these things go.

(Incidentally, selling it through Diamond seems like a shrewd business move, if only because comics bloke put the new version on order for me without checking, given the contents of my box, and I had to tell him I already had a copy, so you’ve already sold one. Cunning.)
 
 
Mike Phillips
13:27 / 29.08.08
ginger:

You don't sound like a cock. We value comments like this. It's constructive stuff! It's always good to hear about what can be improved. Perhaps if there's ever a 3rd edition (and if Tim's up for adding more info about things like Situationism), we'll have hit closer to the suggested mark.

Thanks!
 
  
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