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Ganagati
15:02 / 07.07.08
Hello-
Bit of a newbie here and could really use some help with this one...

The other night I had this dream, nothing too fantastic, just your basic reprocessing dream... until someone hit the pause button. Everything stopped and I was presented with the image of a black bird lying on the ground. And a female voice said in a gentle but commanding voice, "Bring me the first flight feathers from each wing." motioning toward a coal black bird. In the dream, I went to pluck the feathers, as I was told, and these orbs came fling out of the bird filling the area where I was standing. And I woke up with this intense desire to procure these feathers for 'the goddess' whomever she may be. I have some issue with animal sacrifice and yet every time I see a black bird, her voice echos in my head.

A bit of back story: I've been thinking about contacting a goddess deity for a few months now, nothing specific just doing some basic research, reading up ect. discussing my ideas with my husband. But really just spinning my wheels hoping that whomever I need to be in contact with at this moment, will contact me. (This has happened in the past with the male deity worshiped in our household, Hermes)

Any suggestions or advice?
I'd love to crack the puzzle on who this mystery woman may be!

Thanks,
-ALW
 
 
Evil Scientist
15:06 / 07.07.08
My only comment would be that there are a number of alternative ways to get hold of feathers that don't involve animal sacrifice.
 
 
Ganagati
15:09 / 07.07.08
Absolutely. My thought was that since this bird was already dead in the dream, I'm not to kill it, just get the feathers.
 
 
Evil Scientist
15:21 / 07.07.08
Fair enough. Have you any thoughts on what you're supposed to do with the feathers?

Being as dreams can sometimes be a bit metaphorical, does anyone know what else feathers can represent?
 
 
Liger Null
01:14 / 08.07.08
What species of black birds are native to your area? Is there any local/ancestral/personal symbolism associated with them?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:42 / 08.07.08
Any suggestions or advice?

Yeah. Is it so good, necessarily, to fret about this sort of thing too much?

Were I you, I'd take this apparently numinous dream as a green light to pursue whatever personal project I had in mind; it's loaded with death images, to be sure, but also, symbols of rebirth. They're black, but they're wings, and so on.

You could interpret it either way, but really, why bother? Tomorrrow night there'll be something else along.
 
 
Olulabelle
06:31 / 08.07.08
Every time I come back and find a thread I might like to contribute to I see Alex has already been there depositing his thoughts like a bad dog in the middle of the pavement and it just makes me go away again.
 
 
illmatic
08:04 / 08.07.08
I didn't think Alex's comment was that awful, here.
 
 
Ganagati
13:22 / 08.07.08
Native black birds to this region (I'm in Indiana), there are ravens and crows and a slew of Red-winged Blackbirds. As for native significance, there's typical Native American mythology.

I'm not inclined to believe the "black bird in a dream is a bad omen" typical of most dream interpretation guides. Actually I find those kind of guides mostly useless as each person is unique and there ideas and symbols set will be just as unique. I don't usually dream, and if I do it's rare that I remember them, that's why this struck me.

I'm not sure what I'm to do with these feathers in particular. I suppose what I do with most feathers I find; put them on our home altar.

You could interpret it either way, but really, why bother? Tomorrrow night there'll be something else along.

Ok, fair enough. But this one struck me as quite important and I was hoping for some input from people with more experience.

Thanks.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
14:02 / 08.07.08
I apologise since I'm less experienced than most, but I still have a thought or two:

"Bring me the first flight feathers from each wing."

The bird was lying on the ground, the female voice demanded the first flight feathers... To me this signifies the beginning of an undertaking started long ago. Perhaps a childhood dream you've been chasing. These are weighing you down...

The orbs which flew out of the bird; did they hinder you?

I think you need to look at what it is that motivated you to be on the path you are on at the moment and re-asses whether you should carry on with what you are doing. Perhaps the success of your first flight led you astray and has since kept you earthbound... The orbs may be a stubborn refusal to let go.

You may need to sacrifice your initial dream before you can take flight again.
 
 
grant
17:04 / 08.07.08
Well, I'd just look for feathers. Never know where that might lead.

I keep finding them in my yard - owl, bluejay, ibis.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
19:19 / 08.07.08
Absolutely. My thought was that since this bird was already dead in the dream, I'm not to kill it, just get the feathers.

When interacting with Raven/Crow a couple of years ago, I was "given" a dead crow to use for something, right after I'd made a fairly nice offering. I ended up making it into something like a windchime. (wind bonk, more like.)

when I was done, I offered up some more shiny stuff in thanks, and was immediately given another crow. I never really figured out what to do with that one, but I've still got some of the bits.

...not really offering to mail you my surplus magic crow feathers. maybe just saying, Keep an eye out? try an offering of shiny round stuff? poke around in a nest?

she said Bring Me. someplace around you could leave stuff? forest etc?

ProTip: ignore Alex's Grandma as much as you can. at best, zhe's funny. at worst, zhe's misleading and negative. I believe the idea is "determined to keep these silly Barbelithers from taking themselves, or anything, seriously".
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:08 / 08.07.08
But this one struck me as quite important and I was hoping for some input from people with more experience.

Of dreams? Isn't everyone pretty much an expert in that regard?

I don't mean to be a bore. It's just that in my experience numinous dreams (the ones that feel coherent and real, as opposed to a set of cut-ups about telly, work, etc) don't necessarily amount to much in our day-to-day world, except possibly as vague signposts. William Burroughs, who I love very much, published a dream diary a while ago, before he died, but it's not as interesting as his fiction. As with discussing acid trips, poetic nights out, the hypothetically nightmarish experience of living in a yurt with Olulabelle and so on, the thing seems to be what one does with the raw material.

I think just get on with it, whatever it is you want to do. And, you know, good luck.

Clearly though, feel free to ignore.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
04:55 / 09.07.08
It's just that in my experience numinous dreams (the ones that feel coherent and real, as opposed to a set of cut-ups about telly, work, etc) don't necessarily amount to much in our day-to-day world, except possibly as vague signposts.

I think Alex has raised an interesting point and valid point here, which prompts for me the following questions. On what basis does one decide on whether or not a dream is "magical" or not? and "How do we choose to respond to "magical" dreams?

Case in point. Many years ago, I had a dream in which my wanderings around were interrupted by yer archetypal "old crone" screaming at me.

"You"
me?
Yes you! You're the one who's going to Kill all the Christians and bring the Goddess back!

- which is quite a heavy trip for "the gods" to lay on a newly-initiated 21-year-old wiccan. So, whilst it felt really magical and significant (at the time) I never actually did anything about it.
 
 
illmatic
07:13 / 09.07.08
What about all those Christians that you *did* kill though, dude? That was something different, was it?
 
 
Olulabelle
08:48 / 09.07.08
Firstly:

You could interpret it either way, but really, why bother? Tomorrrow night there'll be something else along.

Ok, fair enough. But this one struck me as quite important and I was hoping for some input from people with more experience.

I think it's a perfectly valid question to be asking and I would ignore the 'why bother' bit. The fact that it felt important to you is one reason to bother. Also because if you're following any kind of magical lifestyle it's likely your dreams will be really important to you and you will want to try and understand the relevance of some of them. Anyone posting in your thread in this magical forum here should really be subscribing to that general opinion I think, or else they're just hanging out here to point and laugh.

On what basis does one decide on whether or not a dream is "magical" or not? and "How do we choose to respond to "magical" dreams?

Well I think that in the first instance if it feels like you should pay attention, then maybe you should. If you dream something and wake up and spend all day back in the dream considering it, perhaps you can decide that it has some magical significance.

With regard to how we respond, sometimes there are obvious steps to be taken, and sometimes there aren't. In this instance it's an easy path to follow if you want to - the first thing to do is, as other posters have said, try and find the feathers in question. That's what I would do. If I dreamt about finding feathers or any particular thing in order for it to be a gift I think I would try and find the object in question in my waking life. Then when you have the thing you can meditate on it, and see how it makes you feel. Maybe there is nothing else to be done and it was not a useful or helpful dream, but maybe it is, and when you have the feathers you might be able to divine more from how you feel about them; what they make you want to do.

Sometimes dreams can be really helpful in ways you don't instantly see - suppose DrxWilke has been doing a lot of hanging out indoors, the simple act of going out and finding feathers will mean outside, fresh air, being in nature. All good for the spirit and the body. Maybe the act of finding the feathers is the magical bit. Maybe not. But certainly my answer to how we choose to respond to magical dreams is to firstly see if there is anything practical we can instantly do in order to move a little forward with understanding what the dream could be about.
 
 
Ganagati
13:53 / 09.07.08
Thank you guys for all your great input. You've given me so much to think about and meditate on.

I think all of Alex's point are valid. If you are pursuing a magical lifestyle it's important to always have that counter balance of, 'yeah maybe the gods talk to you or maybe you're bonkers', it keeps a person grounded and the ego safely in it's place.

Olulabelle made some interesting points as well, maybe the feathers are not the goal. Maybe it's just the act of doing that is the point. Maybe there is no point! I've pondered all of these, and it's just nice to get some outside feedback from people who can relate.

I think just get on with it, whatever it is you want to do.

Exactly. I'm going to take some advice posted and make an offering, search for the feathers, etc. And just relax and see what comes of it.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:28 / 09.07.08
If you already have a relationship with Hermes (as you mention above), why not speak to him about it. He's the god of communication, after all, and if you want to communicate with this mystery Goddess who is appearing in your dreams asking you to do cryptic stuff for her with feathers, he's the guy to take it to. Make an altar service for him or go to a crossroads, give him whatever offerings he likes, tell him what you just told us. Ask him to open a clearer line of communication with this deity, whoever she may be, so that you can better understand what that dream was all about - if it was about anything. Ask him to carry whatever messages or questions you might have for that Goddess so you can get a clearer picture of what is going on. See what happens from thereon in...
 
 
Ganagati
15:36 / 09.07.08
[...], why not speak to him about it.

I'm having one of those 'Doh! Why didn't I think of that??' moments.
Yeah, that would be an excellent way to go.
I shall do that on my lunch hour.

Thank you Gypsy!
 
 
Liger Null
03:00 / 10.07.08

ProTip: ignore Alex's Grandma as much as you can. at best, zhe's funny. at worst, zhe's misleading and negative. I believe the idea is "determined to keep these silly Barbelithers from taking themselves, or anything, seriously".


Granny is TEH TRIXXTOR!!11!!!

Anyway. Back to the topic.

Keep us posted on your findings, DrXW, if possible. This thread has really piqued my interest for some reason, and I'm curious to know how it all turns out.
 
 
EmberLeo
09:09 / 18.07.08
Joining a bit late, sorry (I was gone).

Were I in your place, that I would look for feminine powers with connections to black birds. Encyclopedia Mythica mentions Hera. I know The Morrigan has a connection to ravens and crows. There are many American Indian stories involving ravens, crows, or blackbirds.

--Ember--
 
 
Ganagati
14:37 / 18.07.08
I know The Morrigan has a connection to ravens and crows.

Thank you Ember - I've been working through a series of coincidences (including your post) over the post couple of days which have lend me straight to The Morrigan. Odd because I know nothing of the Celtic culture. I picked up a book of Norse, Classical & Celtic myths last Saturday at the library, I guess I need to do some research and get a bit more information. I love those little goose bump moments when everything clicks.

I still haven't found crow feathers. I offered a bit of mole salsa (A mixture of hand picked, hand ground wheat and sea salt - it was traditionally fed to animals before sacrifice in Greco-Roman traditions) and just started picking up feathers on my walks, mostly grey ones from Robins, after that things started moving forward with a rush.
 
 
EmberLeo
20:15 / 18.07.08
Perhaps there are other things that must be done between now and then that are a precursor, and you will know they are done when you find the bird? *shrugs* Or perhaps it's meant somewhat more metaphorically.

I don't know.

--Ember--
 
  
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