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Whose grave would you dance on?

 
 
Tsuga
12:10 / 05.07.08
With the untimely passing of Jesse Helms (untimely in being about 86 years too late), I felt a twang of guilt at such pleasure over someone's death. Yes, he was a racist, homophobic, overall prejudicial conservative pigfucker, but so are a few of my family members. Maybe he could be a real sweetheart, I don't know. But I'm not going to feel too guilty at my barely bridled glee. Even though his death, at this point, really makes no difference in the world at large, I'm still glad to see him go. Is that wrong?
Have you ever been a little bit too pleased at someone dying, or can you think of someone that you'll be celebrating the death of?
 
 
Pingle!Pop
12:18 / 05.07.08
Even though his death, at this point, really makes no difference in the world at large

That's not true though. He was a sitting senator for North Carolina. That comes with definite actual power and a huge soapbox.

Such power aside, though, I can't really feel guilty for quietly celebrating the death of such an utterly vile person, and one who bore some responsibility for the death and suffering of millions. Rot in hell, please.
 
 
Tsuga
12:27 / 05.07.08
Well, actually he retired in '03. But rot in hell he shall.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
12:50 / 05.07.08
Oh, for some reason I thought he was still going. I'm pretty sure as a retired senator one still has reasonable capacity to spread one's bile.

And Thatcher's not been in for years, but her death should involve street parties. Though arguably she still rules British politics, so maybe that doesn't count.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:38 / 06.07.08
her death should involve street parties

6pm, first Saturday after she carks it, Trafalgar Square, according to Class War.
 
 
This Sunday
09:27 / 06.07.08
This is the first fourth I've celebrated... well, possibly ever. And it wasn't for any secession from the British.

I don't know any North Carolinian, present or past, who I'd still talk to who wasn't dancing on Helms' metaphoric grave when that news hit.

And his death did serve a purpose. Even up to his death, ill and suffering dementia, he was a bigot whose age, demeanor of entitlement, and longevity in the political sphere gave him a veracity people bought into and other people utilised, his name still carried a long way, and he actively retarded our evolution as human beings, our capacity as a species. That he did some good things in his time may remind us that he was as human as anyone, but those acts cannot validate or erase the bulk of his cruel politics and history.

If I wasn't so tired I'd dance again, right now.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:08 / 06.07.08
I don't want to dance on Thatcher's grave, I don't want to be wading in all that urine.
 
 
penitentvandal
18:46 / 06.07.08
I like Mark Steel's bit about this, that when they announced Thatch's retirement from public speaking they did it in a newsflash, and opened with a picture of her, and he leapt up from his seat shouting 'Yes! Dead!' and then when he saw what the report was about it was such a let-down.

I also always liked the thing the film critic for Bizarre magazine - back when it was good, like, mind, not the load of old shit it is now - said about Mary Whitehouse's death, that when he heard the news he immediately got out a bottle of champagne he'd had on ice for just this occassion, and stuck Cannibal Holocaust on the DVD. When Thatch dies I'm getting a full bottle of jack out and playing Ode to Joy.
 
 
Axolotl
19:24 / 06.07.08
Forget dancing on her grave, Thatcher's death will be so joycore that it could only be truly celebrated by entire streets bursting out into song while the crowd carries out choreographed dance routines. Bonus points if it's to "Ding dong the Witch is Dead"
 
 
Tsuga
20:46 / 06.07.08
I've felt happy about people's deaths before, sometimes without real guilt, sometimes with guilt. Someone like Thatcher, or say, Cheney, I wouldn't feel too bad about. I was thinking of a story when I started this thread, but debated telling it because I feel like an asshole, though I think it's kind of funny. I was working outside one day at a Dominican convent where many of my grade school teachers came from. Going by the graveyard, I saw the fresh grave of a particularly bitter and cruel penguin who, as a substitute teacher, had tormented me when I was between seven and ten years old. This day I was pretty young, probably twenty or so, so I'm giving myself a break here; but I took the opportunity that day to literally dance on her grave. I did one of those one hand on the elbow of the other arm that was pointing in the air shaking at the sky, kicking up my feet and hopping in a circle. The guy who was working with me was a bit appalled, and I'm sure a nun or twenty probably saw me out of their dusty windows. But I didn't care, it seemed that fate had, with a bow and a flourish, just handed me present on a silver platter. I thought I was so clever. I hated that woman, even if I rationally knew she was certainly a very troubled and damaged person, like most crazy assholes. In retrospect, I think more about that last part and feel like a heel, even if she made a bunch of little kids miserable. That's a far cry from Stalin or Pinochet or Idi Amin or Pol Pot or even Strom Thurman. Maybe I should save my dancing for Karl Rove.
 
 
HCE
21:06 / 06.07.08
That's just it, though, isn't. People get so horrified by the notion of taking pleasure in another person's death, as though it's only a brief hop from that to killing them yourself. It isn't. I didn't wish for Jesse Helms to die, I wished for him to stop being a force for evil. He died first, so obviously my wishing is not especially effective. I'm going to feel what I feel, which certainly isn't grief.
 
 
Ron Stoppable
10:58 / 15.07.08
And in related news, I see that Thatcher has been granted a state funeral; the first for a commoner since Churchill.

Presumably they'll wait until she's dead..
 
 
This Sunday
11:14 / 15.07.08
Presumably they'll wait until she's dead..

Spoilsport. Let us live in hope.
 
 
Brigade du jour
13:21 / 15.07.08
I think announcing a state funeral is a bit idiotic, whatever your politics. Even her most tireless champions must realise that a lot of people find her and her contribution to the history of the world somewhat ... questionable? (and the Academy Award for Best Understatement In A Barbelith Thread goes to ...)

Having said that, at least the organisers had the grace and wit to publicly wonder whether there would be enough troops to line the streets and keep the protesters away from the procession. I found that pretty amusing.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
09:43 / 22.07.08
For what it's worth, a Downing Street petition against the state funeral thing. Seeing as the government is clearly so interested in what everyone thinks and all that.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
09:47 / 22.07.08
... And to add to that, Thatcher's funeral will cost three million squids. I'm sure with that you could either do a fair bit for the poor, or you could buy a couple of bombs or bail out a messed up privatisation attempt.
 
 
penitentvandal
14:02 / 22.07.08
Frankie Boyle's take on the cost of the funeral on Mock the Week was pretty good:

'Three million quid? For that money they could give everyone in Scotland a spade, and we could dig a hole so deep that she could be handed over to Satan personally.'
 
  
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