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Starting from Scratch

 
 
Eek! A Freek!
15:17 / 20.06.08
Are you familiar with a certain haunting vagueness? For me, it’s the vagueness I feel when I try think of what I want to do “when I grow up”. The vagueness I feel when I need to set a goal. The vagueness I feel when I want to sit and write a story.

I feel a great, huge, overflowing pool of potential within myself, but when I think of applying it to something, I become vague in my wishes and desires because I don’t want to “waste it” on something “unworthy”.

Maybe I’m afraid to fail. Maybe I’m afraid to fall on my face. Maybe I fear continual effort. What if I make the wrong choice? What if I’m fooling myself? (Funny aside: I refuse to pick my own lottery numbers, because if I don’t win, it will be because I didn’t have the power or insight to pick the right numbers…)

I’ve lived my life drifting along currents, not making choices or many stands, and all I’m left with is a strange and familiar emptiness; a hollow; the vagueness I mention above. I’ve fooled myself into thinking that I’ll be hit with a bolt out of the blue and I’ll be handed all the answers I need to finally understand what I’m living my life for.

It’s why I read what I read: I feel that there’s an obvious, glaring answer on the next page, in the next book, within the writing of the next author.

I have to say, I’m tired of living on the verge of a threshold of an abyss. I want to jump in, joyously, fearlessly, and with all my heart; fuck the risks and damn the torpedoes.

But, secretly and in fear, I’ve preferred to stand and wait to be pushed.

I’m coming to realize that it just doesn’t happen that way.

My approach to magic has been read, read, read, read. Even joining Barbelith was an attempt to gather more reading material and hopefully inspiration; my “bolt from the blue. Maybe, even, a “push”.

While I have found inspiration (I won’t name names, but most all who I’ve interacted with here, some more than others…) I also found that:
1. I know much less than I thought.
2. It’s easy to get confused and start second guessing yourself.
3. You cannot start down a path when you keep revising methods and motivations.

In a PM convo with EmberLeo, I outlined my plans to get in touch with my dead grandmother, who I was named after. I told Ember that I purchased my GM’s favorite brand of cigarettes, her favorite candies, and I was going to brew a pot of tea for her. Then I was going to see if she could introduce me to Ghede Nimbo, who I feel vaguely compelled to meet.

That’s it. No other plan, no idea of what I want to say, what I want to ask for, how I need help. Pride stands in my way as much as fear.

I meditated on this a bit, I realized that my vagueness is stopping me from accomplishing anything. I thought that in a vague way that my Granny could tell me a bit about who I am, that Ghede Nimbo could “help” me become braver, ease my fears, and rediscover my outgoingness and joie de vivre. (Ember also mentioned that he’s associated with healing: I could use some of that…)

Recently I have begun a modest fitness regime to shed my excess pounds and rebuild a bit of muscle. I’ve stopped having “Donut-Days”. I’m walking more and vegging out in front of the TV less. I am taking steps.

Now I want to begin taking more steps with my magical practice. I have defined what I feel I need in my life that magic can help me obtain:
To chase my dreams: To write and maybe act (I miss the stage…)
To work on my marriage, to help heal my wife and have a child (Sometimes I feel it’s the imbalances and struggles in myself that is making her sick.)
To actually succeed in my job, stop fucking the dog and work. I want to buy a house and stop renting, I want to be able to afford the things I want and stop living from paycheque to paycheque.

For all the above, I have initiated “first steps” in physically achieving these things: I am forming a daily habit of writing via posts here, where crap writing is attacked. The fitness regime as well as making responsible insurance plan choices is helping both my marriage and wife’s help. Applying myself more at work and recently consolidating my debt is helping my financial situation.

Now I need to take “first steps” in mentally, or magically achieving these things: I still think that my ideas for contacting my Granny are valid, as is my wish to contact Ghede Nimbo: I have concrete questions and requests for help. As Ember pointed out to me, there is no real connection between my Grandmother and Ghede, so I may skip asking for an intro, but I will plan on attempting to contact both for different reasons.

I am also humbly asking all the “spirits” within Barbelith for their help and advice: Who has found themselves “Starting from Scratch”, especially after a few failed attempts? How do you unlearn and start anew? What tools, tips, tricks, etc… do you have for defining or outlining a magical practice? How do you actually initiate contact with an ancestor or God? How do you consistently motivate yourself for regular practice and along with a journal, what other ways do you have to track progress?

I apologize if a lot of this is covered in various threads, if your answers come in the form of hyperlinks they will still be deeply appreciated.
 
 
Char Aina
15:42 / 20.06.08
Try interviewing yourself. Write an interview, quite an intrusive one, and then answer the questions a day or so later. Or not. The method isn't the point.

The point is that YOU can probably tell yourself more useful stuff right now than anyone else can, you just aren't doing it for whatever reason. Find a way to be honest with yourself; to ask yourself tough questions and get full answers. Find that, and you will have found one of the key tools you'll need later. And in fact, fuck later. It's useful almost all the time.
 
 
grant
16:32 / 20.06.08
I'm the world's last person to ask about motivation, but it strikes me that for everything in this list:

I also found that:
1. I know much less than I thought.
2. It’s easy to get confused and start second guessing yourself.
3. You cannot start down a path when you keep revising methods and motivations.


The opposite is probably simultaneously true.

You know enough, you've got a good enough idea of the trajectory you want to take, and you're probably going to be doing a fair amount of ad libbing in the face of surprises.

So.
 
 
Princess
17:08 / 20.06.08
What I found really useful, recently I may add, was just stopping.

My magical practice was like a 10 thousand mile walk around the same square meter of boring material. I was getting agravated because no matter what I learnt, whatever new concepts I understood, I wasn't really making any change. Just adding more material, but no substance.

So, for me, it was useful to stop trying to magic my way out of my present situation. (My present situation being that I was trying to magic myself out of my present situation). Just stopping and looking at where I was RIGHT NOW was important to me.

I think you need to know where you are starting from. So learning just to look is useful. I think a healthy magical practice has to be grounded in the present. Lovely wishes for the future are great, but a more perfect knowledge of the present is better.

Don't know how relevant this is to you. But for me, it was key.
 
 
the Kite
14:04 / 22.06.08
I would add meditation. Nothing fancy, at least at first. Just relax, shut up, pay attention.

I read, think and talk a lot. I need the counterbalancing discipline of silence and stillness. As noted above, get into the present, therefore now.

By relaxing I mean a posture that feels comfortable and enables your head to remain poised atop an elongated spine.

By shut up I mean turn down or off the internal chat. Exercising peripheral vision helps here. So does ignoring and letting go any thoughts that do occur.

By paying attention I mean not so much noticing and identifying all that's going on within and without, as waiting, but acting deliberately vague about what you might be waiting for.

Over time you may find your mind 'settling down' enough for you to distinguish signal from noise in your life.

Anyway, whatever form of meditation you use I'm sure you'd find it useful.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:28 / 23.06.08
Ghede might tell you that the only time you ever start from scratch is when you come out of your mother's womb, and perhaps not even then, depending on how you frame your relationship to your ancestors. There is no "starting from scratch" or Year Zero. You are a consistent process from birth to death, and there's no pretending that all of that stuff that went before doesn't matter, isn't relevant or didn't really happen. The idea of starting from scratch suggests you're not really owning your personal history and experiences, but trying to erase all of this in the hope of getting it right this time around with a clean slate. But there are no clean slates.

Putting the books down sounds like a plan though. Magic does not live in books. The only people who obsess over books on magic are those who don't actually practice it very much, and their fetishisation of books about magic (generally obscure, difficult to find, limited edition, unfeasibly expensive books about magic) is often just a way of avoiding the impetus to actually do any magic and the implicit threat to one's comfort zones and unexamined behaviours that a full-on practice may disturb to some extent. A lot of people like to approach magic like sci-fi fandom, and want it to be this safe little pastime that you can keep in a box and pull out when you want it - a weird little hobby that brings a degree of gratification, like collecting Buffy DVDs or something, but never creates any real challenge or opportunities for growth and development. Real magic - when you step into it - tends to mean change, and we are generally afraid of change.

If you want to meet Ghede, don't post about it on the internet. Go to the crossroads with offerings for Legba and ask him for an introduction. Then go to the boneyard with offerings for Ghede and meet him. Do it on Saturday. What's stopping you?

If you want to develop a relationship with your ancestors, build a small altar for them and cook them some food. Have a conversation. Tell them what's going on in your life. Ask them for help where you need it. Do it when you return from the boneyard on Saturday. What's stopping you?

Stop fucking thinking about this stuff so much, and just do something. Don't be afraid to make mistakes. You only ever really learn anything in magic from making stupid mistakes. Total howlers that you have to spend weeks sorting out the fallout from will produce a much better magician than just reading about magic but never actually doing anything.

You are alive. You will not be alive indefinitely. Every breath is important. Do something now while you still have breath left to breathe. That's all you really need to know about magic. Try to live like that, and you will be getting somewhere.

stop fucking the dog

I hope this wasn't meant literally. If so, I can understand how that might be causing conflict in your marriage. I would agree that its probably a good idea to stop fucking the dog.
 
 
illmatic
12:20 / 23.06.08
Who has found themselves “Starting from Scratch”, especially after a few failed attempts? How do you unlearn and start anew? What tools, tips, tricks, etc… do you have for defining or outlining a magical practice?

I'd add try and get some people around you. Regular face to face contact with like minded souls can be very helpful and inspiring. The net is a poor substitute in my view, and has the disadvanatge that you can spend or disappate all your energy by writing so much about what you are going to do that you never do it.
 
 
EmberLeo
10:42 / 24.06.08
Although I generally agree with what Gypsy Lantern has said here, I will say that I don't think there's anything wrong with temporarily setting the past aside for the sake of checking out a different perspective on the future, if that's what it takes to get moving.

There's a point at which you cannot wait for your choices to be made for you. (I would argue that it's never actually a good idea to wait for your choices to be made for you, but there's a point at which they simply won't be.)

I got stuck for a while between my first and second rounds of college. The reasons and results are somewhat varied. I tried pursuing several different things, looking for something to fill a vague void, and finding long open paths with bars across them. "Yes, this way is good, but it is not for you. Go somewhere else." That hurt quite a bit.

When I thought I'd run out of the options, I flailed where friends could see me, asking them what resources I was missing that they knew about. I went over the patterns very carefully in discussion with my parents, closest friends, and other people whose spiritual judgment and personal knowledge of me I trusted.

The result wasn't that I found totally new ground to tread, though it all felt very new when I returned to it. The result was that I went back over old ground from a different perspective and found the paths I'd disregarded or overlooked before.

What helped me the most was to be reminded that I didn't have to plan the rest of my life all at once - I just had to pick something to move forward with for now.

I've come to understand over the last several years that I'll never stop feeling like I'm guessing. It can't be perfect, so there's no use waiting for the right answer. I can't do everything at once, but I don't have to give up everything forever just because I can't do it right now. I just try to be as honest with myself as I can be, and go with my best guess.

You have a plan for trying something. What's the worst that is likely to happen?

--Ember--
 
 
darth daddy
18:13 / 24.06.08
Humility and lowered expectations has recently become a key for me. I freeze when comparing myself to others or figures I admire, rather simply putting one foot in front of the other and opening up. Great expectations can set you up for disappointment, whereas trying stuff with minimal expectations sets you up for surprising success.
 
 
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17:08 / 26.06.08
I think there are occassions where one does need to set the past aside. I remember back in college some speaker whose workshop I attended, a bisexual woman, who after years of lesbian relationships ended up getting involved with a man, something that at the time had caused a lot of inner conflict in her, until she realized that the past didn't matter, only the present. I think we fall into traps where we believe that our pasts define who we are, and that we can't break away from it... but the Buddhists claim that we should just focus on the present rather than dwell on the past (which is over) or the future (which hasn't even happened yet).

I can relate to the whole drifting currents thing. Recently I've been reading a lot about Current 93's David Tibet and all the different things he's believed in over the course of his life: he had his OTO period, Satanic antiChristian period, his Thibetan Buddhist period, his Gnostic period, and these days he identifies as Christian, though his view on the subject is kind of unorthdox. In some ways he reminds me of J.K. Huysmans (someone else I've been obsessed with as of late) who was raised as Catholic, became an atheistic Naturalist, then a decadent, then a brief dalliance with Satanism and the occult, before converting to the church again and ending his life as an Oblate. I actually think that a drifting sense of belief is better than Absolute Belief, because at the very least it exposes you to a lot of different points of view.

These days I find myself in some sort of inbetween period that often occurs in between obsessions for me. I've been reflecting on my own spiritual path: raised Catholic for the first 18 years of my life before breaking away from the church, my agnostic period, my occult/gnostic period, by more current atheist/buddhist period, and my recent re-interest in the topic of Christianity (no doubt ignited by my readings of Huysmans and my fascination with the music of Current 93). It's weird, for years now I've been trying to escape my religious upbringing but you know what they say, the more you try to escape from something the more it defines who you are. Which probably contradicts what I said in my opening paragraph.

I'm not sure what to make of all this, and in fact I've been feeling a lot of anxiety about it, but I can say that I have no interest in rejoining the Catholic church (as I'm opposed to dogma and orthodoxy, and also because I don't like the stance they've taken on subjects such as homosexuality over the years), as it is I don't even have an interest in reading the Bible or a belief in some of the core tennets (such as the idea of heaven and hell). Which makes me think that my interest in the subject stems from a fascination with the religion's art, the music, the architecture, the imagery, and so on. In fact I've developed an almost erotic fascination with the subject, but then again, in some ways Christianity is an erotic religion, as Madonna would clearly testify (the lives of certain saints in particular are very lurid). A very good book on this subject is Ellis Hanson's "Decadence and Catholicism".
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
17:41 / 26.06.08
I'm Absorbing all advice... Thanks to all people responding, everyone is adding that little something...

I just wanted to make a quick note just in case:

stop fucking the dog

I hope this wasn't meant literally.


This is a euphemism: means messing around doing nothing, slacking, goofing off when one should be working.

Soon I'll have something a bit more meaningful to add. I've been checking in the past week making small flip comments since I changed my name, but I've been hugely busy here at work and have put magical thinking to the side while I gather my thoughts. Work, life, etc... Have been really intense recently in a take-my-breath-away kind of way and things have just sped up. I'm trying to pay a couple of karmic debts before my summer truly begins (next week). I appreciate all the posts.
 
 
EmberLeo
18:39 / 27.06.08
Er, well, it's a figure of speech, but that's sure not a Euphemism. Maybe it's a Malphemism? Oop, the opposite is "Blasphemism" Heh! [/pedant]
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One of the things that makes helping in this context difficult is that it's unclear what layer of information you're looking for. General advice on how to get started? Specific suggestions for how to accomplish the particular tasks you've settled on starting with? Specific things you don't already do that we recommend taking up?

--Ember--
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
19:18 / 27.06.08
Oops... Big mistake with "euphemism" unless my boss considers "fucking the dog" less offensive than wasting time on the net when I'm on the clock... Thanks for catching that one.

I guess I'm looking for advise on the exact hows. I have read so much that I've become fuddled. I like GL's "Get off your ass and just do it" advise, and I will seek a cross-roads (Can crossing bicycle paths do?) and make an offering to Legba (What's a decent offering for Legba?)

I am not near a graveyard here in the city, but the ashes of my grandmother and uncle are burried at the cottage. That's why I had the idea of contacting Ghede and my grandmother at the same time. I have all the offerings for both (Ciggs, tea and candies for my Grandmother and Rhum, cigar and chicken (Not live, not at this stage) for Ghede.)

This is where I get a bit stuck: After laying out my offerings I'm not sure what to do... Do I drink eat and smoke myself? Do I call out? Meditate?

I think I am afraid of being there and feeling foolish... I am afraid to let myself go... I'm afraid to get caught, not that there would be any real negative reprecussions, but I don't feel like I want to have to try explain myself, especially at the beginning of a new practical practice... I keep waiting until I can "get away", be by myself. Although it's a bad excuse, making the time isn't always that easy, especially if I don't want to come up with excuses for newly erratic behaviour.

That's for me to deal with, however, and I'm more ready now than ever, but I would like a better idea of what to do when I get there rather than just "wing it" and potentially discourage myself...
 
 
EmberLeo
02:46 / 28.06.08
Typical Legba offering in my experience is Rum and/or Cigars.

Personally, I'm not allowed to purchase, provide, or consume Tobacco, but I haven't ever had trouble with just a good shot or three of rum for an initial Hi-Hello, and a candle or food for anything more complicated.

If I'm meditating I don't consume the offerrings myself. That's a cue to embody, which I don't necessarily want. (The exception being when They instruct me to do it anyway).

Meditate, yes. Reach out, chant the name, or if you know one, a song. Sit and wait, and try to stay focused.

--Ember--
 
 
illmatic
07:10 / 30.06.08
That's for me to deal with, however, and I'm more ready now than ever, but I would like a better idea of what to do when I get there rather than just "wing it" and potentially discourage myself...

JUST DO IT
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:53 / 30.06.08
Yes. Just go and do it. Figure out how it works on the job. There is no other way. I'm not even going to bother giving you an outline of what to do at crossroads or boneyard (and if you are in a city - there must be a boneyard somewhere. Get a map, get a bus). Just be respectful. Make your offerings. Try not to get too paranoid about anything, and consider overcoming your paranoia and all of these miniature obstacles you are erecting as a magical act in itself. Don't beat yourself up. Coming out the other end of all that is an important part of magic. Be attentive. Listen to your instinct. Do what feels right. Don't do what feels wrong.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:54 / 30.06.08
You don't really need to go through Legba and Ghede to communicate with your ancestors. They are your ancestors. In a sense, you are the same physical object as them. You can open a line of dialogue any time.
 
 
illmatic
08:49 / 30.06.08
Get a sense of your preconceptions as well, and what you *want* to happen, because it probably won't happen like that. All that lust of result jazz. I'm been doing ancestor work now for a couple of years and most of the coolmagickpsychic stuff I was fantasting about ddidn't materialise, but other stuff happened that was just as worthwhile, if not more so. But you've got to stick with it.

Also, posting a lot about it here - deferment tatic perhaps?

JUST DO IT

Do it with style, do it with grace, do it with humility and a sense of humour but

JUST FUCKING DO IT
 
 
illmatic
09:36 / 30.06.08
Another thing you could do is write a long and pointless offtopic post detailing what you've been reading and the various other stages of your geeky obsessive post-industrial fandom, put all your books in mylar bags and alphabetical order, go on the internet, wander off in a self-absorbed monologue about your personal history and religious hyperchondria which doesn't really matter as you'll never act on it anyway --

No wait, we have one of those already! As you were!

A very good book on the subject is "How I burnt all my books and learnt to J.F.D.I." by Admiral Andrew McMinimal.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
11:58 / 30.06.08
Also, posting a lot about it here - deferment tatic perhaps?

Yup... Classic Me: As much as I like to think myself as being fearless, I'm not. I think I reach out for encouragement in the truest sense of the word, like I want my hand held and to be told what to do and expect. Delay tactic fer shur. Procrastinator au but.

Thanks for the patience and advice: I'll shut up about it until I do it, and even then, only if I have pressing questions.
 
 
illmatic
12:38 / 30.06.08
I like I want my hand held and to be told what to do and expect

That's given me a thread idea which I will now go and start...
 
 
SBN-1
13:17 / 17.07.08
I agree with the folks saying just Do-it (goddess of the new aeon). But fear is a powerful enemy. And without fear you cannot be brave. Meditate. Do something physical that scares you and then master it. The body is a magnificent teacher providing all the chemicals you need to feel confident, powerful and attractive. Get a physical hobby that really demands dedication, like martial arts, climbing, body-building, dancing whatever, and do it a lot. Then I would cancel all reading/theory that muddles and confuses, fuck cleverness and all that- you already know enough about smart stuff. Pick up authors that emphasize action, I recommend Rodney Orpheus' effort Abrahadabra and James A Ray's Harmonic Wealth. Worship yourself as the star that you are. Peace & War.
 
  
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