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Dark Tower

 
 
invisible_al
10:47 / 15.09.01
Just found out that the prologue to the new Dark Tower book by Steven King is up at,
http://www.stephenking.com/dt_5.html

I'm not going to read it ...at the moment, I might crumble though :-). Apparently he's writing the final 3 all in a row, which is good for someone who said he'd probably die halfway through the series and leave it his unfished masterpiece.

Dark Tower books, best stuff he's written IMHO entirely unlike most of his other books (apart from The Talisman, which reads in part like a dry run for the Dark Tower).
Anyone else out there like em'?
 
 
Jack Fear
16:39 / 15.09.01
Yes... although I've started to like them less as they've started to interesect with his other works, which makes the whole thing seem merely clever-clever, rather than awesome. The first and second volumes were clean and spare and genuinely odd, but the injection of the contemporary viewpoint in the form of Jake and Eddie seems to be leading the books towards the same vernacular tone as his other work, oarticularly in the STAND-redux section of WIZARD AND GLASS.

W&G was also desperately in need of an editor. What could've been a lean, whipcrackin' corker of a book at 400 pages or a sweeping epic at 500 ended up a draggy, repetitive doorstop at 675. The pacing was fucked, the surprises were telegraphed--it was just a mess.

Those problems largely disappeared once the flashback section of the book ended, though: King admitted in his afterword that he'd been dreading tackling that sequence, since he wasn't sure he could write about young love any more. Looks to me like he handled his reluctance by writing great reams of stuff straight through, but didn't have the balls to go back and do a second draft. Good writing is 10% writing and 90 re-writing, and good writing this wasn't.

Besides DARK TOWER, I gave up on King after the interminable boondoggle of IT: his energy was as high as ever, but he seemed to have lost all discipline. After W&G, the DT series is on probation for me. One more clunker, and it's dropped.
 
 
Pin
19:37 / 15.09.01
I read the first three in a few days, this being the only time I can say I've read a series in a short while, and then waited ages for the paperback of Wizard and Glass to come out. I got bogged down in the middle of the flash and eventually stopped reading, leaveing the book in the bottom of my back. It eventually came out ripped in half along the spine, with no front cover and atleast 70 pages missing (this also happened to Count Zero).

I think the other three got thrown out aswell when I got embarrsed about reading Stephen King (why 7 minute phases shouldn't be allowed to happen... ). Is it worth getting a copy of Wizard And Glass and starting again?
 
 
fluid_state
20:14 / 15.09.01
wow. y'see, the Gunslinger was (and still is) one of my favorite books of all time... the Dark Tower (2nd book) was... pretty good, but it dragged. I don't remember what the third book was called, but i felt absolutley gypped by it. It was like SK suddenly turned into a hack hollywood writer for that book, and bringing back the dead like he did removed any credibilty he had (all my HO)... so i found Wizard and Glass to be a high point, at least because it's preceeding book was so absoulte shite. I really liked the return to Roland's Epic, which he nailed again. Young, doomed love.

yeah, it was telegraphed, and on purpose to boot. the joy was in the journey... and it would make a kickass-movie (lance henricksen was the leader of the big-game coffin hunters, dead on)
 
 
Jack Fear
09:46 / 16.09.01
One Dreamcast for the Dark Tower here.
 
 
BAFM
09:46 / 16.09.01
Wizard & Glass wasn't at all draggy, to my mind... Nor was it fucked, messy, etc... Solid_State has that right (and the "joy wasin the journey" comment is spot-on).

But I don't think the second book dragged, either - I totally grooved with the whole drawing process.

In the Dark Tower stuff King is, as I see it, relating the whole oral tradition/storytelling thang into his own mythos & that of popular culture. It's full-on Lovecraftian re-interpretation of familiar concepts

But then I do tend to over-glamourise fiction that actually manages to move me in ways I hadn't expected...
 
 
Saint Keggers
09:46 / 16.09.01
I loved each and every book in the series. They're my 3rd favorite series (right behind Dune and The War Against the Chtorr).
I sort of got the impression that the books were written in the mood (cause I cant think of a better word) of one of the characters.
THe first one felt very myth and legendy; being Rolands book.
The Second felt very modern and frazzled; being Eddie's book.
The Third seemed more innocent and child like; it being Jake's book.
The seemed to be Susannah's, filled with painand struggle and a sense of a simpler time. One that had a great price.
The fifth? Who knows? Oy's?
I believe the second to last book will reflect the essence of the tower and the last will reflect ka-tet.

But then again im just a rambling ol fool. What do I know.
 
 
Monkey Boy Z
09:46 / 16.09.01
There's something to be said for the way in which they were written, too. Gunslinger was a series of short stories he wrote over like, seven years, and are filled with, I think, the most exciting mysterious bits of Roland's tale, largely because the actualy mytholgy hadn't been entirely concieved yet.

Everything else was written in full book form, and with a real attempt to concrete the idea, and flesh it out finally.

Of course, with Invisibles rambling around in our brains, Dark Tower becomes almost simple, as it's just simply the post apocalyptic adventures of Alice the Hobbit, in the sort of place where the monster from IT came from, the dark meta universe, the outer church, or maybe it's just a flower dying in New York somewhere, somewhen.

That's just the way he writes, though, the elephantitis thing. You have to put up with the few extra hundred pages. When he redoes things, they usually get longer, look at the stand thing. I read both, I think the longer one was better, but I like the directors cut of terminator 2 more too.

I have to say, the scenes, I'm not sure which book they were in, I think the third one, where they're getting Jake out of that weird school, and he's writing that weird Blain is a pain beat poetry nonsense... that part really stayed with me for a while.

mbz
 
 
DaveBCooper
08:01 / 18.09.01
I like 'em, though the long wait between them means that I often need a bit of nudging to remember what happened last time out.

At the Festival Hall in London the other year for the launch of Bag of Bones, when asked what his plans were for the future, King mentioned that he was planning to get to work on the DT books so as to make sure the story was finished before he died. There was a round of applause.

I think The Dark Half may be my favourite of his books - almost unrelentingly bleak, and like another one of his best works, Misery, it seems to have been very tightly edited.

DBC
 
 
Clavis
02:38 / 23.09.01
Hey, I'm glad someone brought up the DT series. I like 'em a lot. I stopped reading his other stuff a long time ago -- things that go bump in the night just ain't my thing -- but I have been slavering for a new DT book for a while. I'm glad he's planning to finish them ASAP, or at least BHD*.

Someone mentioned Lance Henriksen as a possible lead to play Roland. Does anyone else not realize that Roland is Clint Eastwood? Or is it just that Eastwood is too old to play him now?


Clavis
 
 
Lurker in the corner
04:15 / 23.09.01
I think Clint Eastwood may be dying. Was that a colostomy bag on his hip at the telethon?
 
 
Clavis
17:21 / 23.09.01
Well, then I guess the movie will have to be based on the second book.


Clavis

(In the second book, The Drawing of the Three, Roland spends most of the book near death's door, after being bitten by a "lobstrosity" 2-3 pages into the book.)
 
 
PatrickMM
22:23 / 03.07.03
I just finished Wizard and Glass, and at the end of the four books, I'd say it's a flawed, but very good series, very epic.

The Gunslinger is defenitely the best of the four because it feels the most "otherworldly" and original. It also felt very epic, and Roland was at his coolest here. It really annoyed me that Roland lost his fingers in the next book, becuase I always had the image of him firing two revolvers, and that image was shattered by what happened later.

Still, a lot of the interaction with the current world was fun to read, and even though it got a bit slow during 'The Wastelands' I kept going through. And the flashback in Wizard and Glass brought back some of the epic feel that was missing in the previous two books.

One question, I didn't pick up any major connections between this and his other books? Which books did it connect to, and how so?
 
 
rakehell
00:02 / 04.07.03
Someone else will probably be able to answer this as I haven't read them for a while, but one obvious link is the 'bad guy'. Randall Flagg, The Walkin' Dude, The Man in Black. He's in the DT series, he's in "The Stand", I think he's also the wizard in "Eye of the Dragon".

I really like DT - and King in general, though I haven't read him for a while - because it shows how you can do western, without it being just a western.
 
 
Chubby P
07:12 / 04.07.03
Does anyone know of a definitive webpage or diagram that links the Dark Tower to the other King books? I know of links between Salems Lot, The Stand and Insomnia. Any others?
 
 
Pirate Ven Will Teach You To Lambada (The Forbidden Dance)
23:55 / 04.07.03
Chubby-- This site's pretty good for interbookly comparisons.

And while on the subject of the links, I think 'Black House' has the strongest ties. The story even revolves around the Crimson King and, to a smaller extent, the Tower itself.
Explains a lot more about the nature of the King, too...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:13 / 05.07.03
So, I'm halfway through the newly revised version of the Gunslinger and it's pretty much the first time I'm reading it, as when I first read the books (12? 13?) I basically skimmed to the scary parts (of which there were very little, if I recall). I'm completely hooked and he's used the opportunity to make the links to the rest of the series and the rest of his canon much more overt. He also goes on at length about how his focus on style in the original version of The Gunslinger kept him from just writing a good and compelling story, something I've been thinking about a lot lately. As stories go, The Dark Tower is a great one. It so seamlessly joins Westerns, Horror, New York City novels (in Book II) and adventure. I'd really forgotten how good it was/is. I'm looking forward to it all coming together, but am a bit concerned about all these sagas I'd never thought would end collapsing in pretty rapid succession (Star Wars, Cerebus, The Dark Tower). I guess it just levels the playing field for the next wave.

Also, in the new version of Drawing Of The Three, Phil Hale has completely redone all of the illustrations. He was my favorite illustrator for the series, and although I still love the originals, he's changed his style almost completely and the new versions are a lot more sinister. I recommend picking it up.

You know what he's expert at? Writing terrific last lines. He's got an innate sense of rhythm and finishes off his chapters and sections with iron slugs of words. Shit. He's fucking good.
 
  
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