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Deleuze/guattari and literature

 
 
posthumous parvenues
13:00 / 28.05.08
Good ern, does anyone have any thoughts on Deleuze & Guattari's concept of "becoming-animal", developed in the 10th chapter of A Thousand Plateaus?

I'm interested in persuing an approach to certain modernist writers who enacted animalistic becomings, but keep getting unstuck when trying to incorporate D/G into my work.

Any ideas on why these two are important to literary analysis? Insightful studies? Maybe we could discuss in as basic terms as possible what the concept is all about. Nice and simple....!


This thread may be better placed in Head SHop, not sure..
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:48 / 28.05.08
If it's about literature it can stay here, I think.

Can you give us a link or quotes re: the theory itself?

If you don't mind, I will re-post a rather frivolous sentence on the question of 'Theory' and literature and whether the two work together, as I feel it may have some bearing on this question. It goes like this:

Some of these people might as well have not read the book. Ah, there's periphery in it! And that bit's carnivalesque. Oh good.

The tone isn't right for a proper discussion, but it sums up a problem I have with theoretical criticism quite succintly. Telling us that an idea or opinion (perhaps my terms are too simple) is present in the book is all very well, but the critic also has another job, which is to tell us whether or not they found the book 'pleasant to read', or 'exciting', or 'vital'. This is important, because a novel with good ideas about (say) race in it is not neccesarily of any relevance to the way the 21st century understands race unless people are going to enjoy reading it. A text-book doesn't need to be thrilling in this way, of course.

I would argue that a book which is sentimental, manipulative or downright laughable is not to be promoted even if it promotes an idea we find interesting or valuable - and the corrolary of this, that books with bad ideas in them are often some of the best as books, is also true.

Now the obvious counter to this is that there is no clear definition of what is vital or deadening, exciting or boring, sentimental or piercing, etcetera. Perhaps not, but the reader is still a good measure of these things. It may not be legitimate to say 'this book is boring' in the sense of 'it is a scientific fact that all human beings, naturally, will find this book boring'; but it is legitimate to say 'this book is boring' in the sense of 'I am bored by it'. The response of the critic to the text is worthy of note, as long as they note it with intelligence.

I don't know how useful any of this has been, but I think it's worth pointing out if this thread is for Thoughts in "using" theory.
 
 
Dusto
18:03 / 28.05.08
I'm short on time right now and will come back to this later, but for now: I think the most useful thing that D&G did was point out how theory tends to flatten a text. They mostly pursue this idea wrt Freud, in Anti-Oedipus: if everything is reducible to the family romance, then what's the point? I think they lose the thread a bit after that, with all of their own theory. Or maybe it's just their pointlessly obscure jargon (desiring-machines, bodies-without-organs, etc.).
 
 
_pin
20:47 / 28.05.08
A machine is just something that connects with something else, isn't it? The pre-hyphen element is just an adverbial, really, no?

And bodies-without-organs are things that can connect to more machines more easily, without boundaries?

</naive>

</and threadrot, now that I think about it>


On why they are popular to lit theory... Are they? I don't know, that's totally outside my circles, but I can see why they would be; as Dusto says, they're opposed to flattening texts with pre-determined theory, and seem much more concerned with taking whatever they have to hand and seeing what reading it makes them think about.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:36 / 28.05.08
AAR: I can't get from your post any idea of what Dolce and Gabana you are referencing. Do you have a particular work in mind here? What have you read by them?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:44 / 29.05.08
A Thousand Plateaus, a long time ago. I'm going to read some more of them before going into any detail on this thread, obviously. My post was a response less to specific ideas in D&G and more to the phrase 'using theory' and 'problems'.

Given that this is at the moment a books thread, my point seemed worth making. If we were just talking about the theory itself over in HS, less so.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:05 / 29.05.08
Ah, right. I was wondering at the absence specific reference to Deleuze and Guattari, but that does help to explain it. I think my thoughts on _general_ theory and letters were largely covered in the Theoryfight thread in Head Shop.
 
 
Dusto
19:15 / 29.05.08
My critique of their jargon is just that I think it's unnecessary. I'm a believer that what can be stated can be stated simply, and I think speaking in a specialized code is pointlessly obscuring.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:36 / 29.05.08
There's a thread in the Head Shop where similar opinions are examined. Admittedly, examined as if they were the work of, as I believe the young people say, busters, but examined nonetheless.
 
 
Dusto
01:12 / 30.05.08
I'll check it out and respond if I have anything to contribute. I'm trying to branch out from the Books section, anyway.
 
 
posthumous parvenues
11:09 / 01.06.08

Deleuze, Gilles and FĂ©lix Guattari, A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia, trans by Brian Massumi, first publ. 1980, 2nd edn (London and New York: Continuum, 2004).

The concept I hoped to discuss appears as the focal point of Deleuze and Guattari's tenth plateau, 'Becoming-animal..'.

As part of their wider critique of the rigid, deadening impact of Freudian tropes (i.e. everything is Oedipalized, placed into codes of the family, man as the central term, refracting everything through the stultifying processes of signifgication, desire as lack or phantasy etc) the idea is a hopeful and illuminating one to the extent that it offers a way out - a devinir - a 'to-become', away from the normative codes through which capitalism functions. Rather than subscribe to a metaphysics of presence and a coherent, unified subject, they offer (albeit through a dizzying array of mescalin-induced neologisms) a vocabulary with which to think about how literature creates new modes of perception though thought and affectivity, intensity and processes of resistance or reterritorialization. Rather than discuss them in general terms, I am interested to take this concept - which is literary in itself - and think about how their exciting ideas can shed light, bring a text back from an interpretive model which 'kills' becoming-animal. For an interesting account of the concept itself from Manuel de Landa, go to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKIsA8yhP58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52IAUvfXHaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ujGqlvNew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_G7kmE2VU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Z48KTYdIw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Ye5YaclTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE6mcoAi-XY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-aHOKZjlfc

SOmebody told me that trying to do anything with Deleuze is like "pinning a butterfly to the wall". But there is value in using theory, although it's too easy to slate it as fashion or self-justification to literary study.
 
  
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