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Chuckling Duck
13:20 / 24.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Teela Tomnoddy:
And, of course, it would have made for better scifi if the badguys had been, well, someone else.


I agree with you on some points, but I thought the villains were perfect. As close to Scientology as you can get without getting sued.

I loved the book because I identified so strongly with the characters. I mean, someone stole three speeds off of my ten-speed bike once.
 
 
bobarctor
14:16 / 24.09.01
Scanner-It is hard to be a drug-user and have to deal with other drug users. Dick also illustrates how hard it is to ride the razor-thin edge of getting high for fun and falling into addiction and madness.
I also have a list of friends in my head who failed to survive the party lifestyle.
 
 
YNH
18:28 / 24.09.01
Riz, it um, shows all those things, very tenuously... even poorly. You have to make the connections and whatnot to move thru the story, but they're neither artful nor insightful. Arctor's decline happens in the space of two pages, really.

All I can say without completely spoiling it is that the villains were not perfect. They were tacked on. They're creepy and scuzzy, sure, but vestigal, unnecessary maybe.

I think, after mulling it over, it's the mewling Author's Notes that made it suck so hard though... Even the good bits were tarnished somewhat... oh well... at least I understand where the like comes from anyhow. Thanks.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
23:03 / 29.09.01
I don't really remember A Scanner Darkly, positively or negatively. I really liked Transmigration, but I remember it as being far more meditative than Valis was. One of those books that didn't necessarily redesign my brain, but got a wide-but-sad smile out of me.

As for Divine Invasion, I'd call it the weakest of the three, but I didn't hate it. I would compare it to Dune: there were things I didn't enjoy about reading Dune, but if I'd loathed it I'd have still liked the smaller ideas like stillsuits and strange muscle-nerve training. I thought Divine Invasion was worth it just for the idea of turning the Bible into a color-coded hologram.

And I've read Shifting Realities but never even heard of Radio Free Albemuth; I'll look for it.

For what it's worth, I read Valis long before the Invisibles, and thought the Invisibles was original enough, though maybe I was just too young to understand Valis the first time.

[ 30-09-2001: Message edited by: doubting thomas ]
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:03 / 29.09.01
Loved "A Scanner Darkly"- first one I read, when I was a kid. Every time I've re-read it, it's got sadder.
BUT I highly recommend Lawrence Sutin's "Divine Invasions- A Life of Philip K Dick", which is as readable, and as entertaining/disturbing as ANY of his novels. (Think it's out of print in the UK, though, but check second-hand places- it's fucking brilliant.)
"Transmigration"- as far as I remember from "Divine Invasions", (can't find my copy right now as I've just moved house and all my books are still boxed until I can afford some shelves) it's based (loosely) on a bishop called (I think) Pike, who, as does Archer, (oops... was about to do some heavy spoilage, but you get my point.)
ALSO: (of course) "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch", "Valis", "Divine Invasion", "Ubik", "Martian Time-Slip", "Clans of the Alphane Moon"... gotta stop now, or I'll list all however-the-fuck-many there are of them. Those all fucking rock, though.
As does a short story, I think it's called "Roog", about a dog... it's simultaneously fucked up and enchanting, like Bradbury used to be. Oh, and...
I'm currently reading a novel (also out of print, and I've been trying to get my hands on it for YEARS) called "Philip K Dick Is Dead, Alas", by Michael Bishop, in which Nixon is on his fourth term (it's 1982), and PKD comes back from the dead to (I think... I only just started it) correct what is wrong with the reality he's found himself in. It's written in PKD's style, and all the characters are straight out of one of his novels. Unless it gets shit half-way through, I thoroughly recommend it.
WARNING- if you ever meet me in person, do not engage me in conversation on this topic. You WILL end up killing me.

Shutting the fuck up now.

[ 30-09-2001: Message edited by: stoatie ]
 
 
bobarctor
17:50 / 30.09.01
Divine Invasions is a must read. Excellent Bio.
 
 
Saveloy
21:41 / 30.09.01
Teela:
"I think, after mulling it over, it's the mewling Author's Notes that made it suck so hard though."

In what way were they 'mewling'? And why is mewling bad?
 
 
tracypanzer
15:13 / 28.11.01
Dadaist:

Decent-sized 'Valis' thread here.

It's my favorite PKD book.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
18:57 / 28.11.01
I kind of ditched Valis - odd headstate couldn't cope with the seemingly excessive use of the word "Theophany"

A Scanner Darkly is biographical and if the ending seemed weak then maybe it was because he was still alive.

As I understand it, from witness accounts, Dick, being successful in his own lifetime, lived a life of being on downers and hanging with friends interspersed with protracted speed binges when he needed cash.

I loved A Scanner Darkly, a work of genius to me. Probably related to my drug history.
 
 
Cat Chant
15:38 / 22.02.04
Resurrecting this thread to ask a plaintive fangirl-style question.

In the Tractates Cryptica Scriptura, we are told at #18 that

Real time ceased in 70CE with the fall of the temple at Jerusalem. It began again in 1974CE. The intervening period was a perfect spurious interpolation

and at #27 that

If the centuries of spurious time are excised, the true date is not 1978CE but 103CE.

Why isn't it 74CE (1978-1974 = 4 years, 70 + 4 years = 74?)? Where have these extra 28 years come from?
 
 
HCE
00:13 / 23.02.04
A little more context please? I haven't got the book at hand.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:13 / 23.02.04
Hmmm, something to do with the changes to the calender in the time that Dick said hadn't happened?

Are you using the notes published at the end of Valis or the stuff from that 'Shifting Realitites of Philip K. Dick'? I don't think everything he wrote has yet been published (on account of being long and rather dull in places) so possibly between #18 and #27 he'd changed his mind about when real-time started again.

Or perhaps that pink ray made him suck at counting.
 
 
Cat Chant
07:48 / 23.02.04
Flowers - the one at the end of Valis, although he mentions it being 103 CE in the text a couple of times as well; Fred - the context is just the appendix of the full text of the Horselover Fat's exegesis/Tractates. These random 28 years are never explicitly addressed in the book - I was sort of hoping that there'd be some obsessive PKD fen here who could explain them to me, most likely from other sources.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:12 / 23.02.04
The rebirth of the plasmate in December 1945? #26 in the Tractates.

12/45 - 03/74 = 28 years.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:40 / 23.02.04
Sorry - that's a remarkably unhelpful post, isn't it? I also managed to get the number of the tract incorrect. The important one is #24.

#22: I term the Immortal one plasmate, because it is a form of energy; it is living information. It replicates itself - not through information or in information - but as information.

#23: The plasmate can crossbond with a human, creating what I call homoplasmate. This annexes the mortal human permanently to the plasmate. We know this as the "birth from above" or "birth from the Spirit." It was initiated by Christ, but the Empire destroyed all the homoplasmates before the could replicate.

#24: In dormant seed form, the plasmate slumbered in the buried library of codices at Chenoboskion until 1945 C.E. This is what Jesus meant when he spoke elliptically of the "mustard seed" which, he said, "would grow into a tree large enough for birds to roost in." He foresaw not only his own death but that of all homoplasmates. He foresaw the codices unearthed, read, and the plasmate seeking out new human hosts to crossbond with; but he foresaw the absence of the plasmate for almost two thousand years.

#25: As living information, the plasmate travels up the optic nerve of a human to the pineal body. It uses the human brain as a female host in which to replicate itself into its active form. This is an interspecies symbiosis. The Hermetic alchemists knew of it in theory from ancient texts, but could not duplicate it, since they could not locate the dormant, buried plasmate. Bruno suspected that the plasmate had been destroyed by the Empire; for hinting at this he was burned. "The Empire never ended."

#26: It must be realized that when all the homoplasmates were killed in 70 C.E. real time ceased; more important, it must be realized that the plasmate has now returned and is creating new homoplasmates, by which it has destroyed the Empire and started up real time. We call the plasmate "the Holy Spirit," which is why the R.C. Brotherhood wrote, "Per spiritum sanctum reviviscumus."

#27: If the centuries of spurious time excised, the true date is not 1978 C.E. but 103 C.E. Therefore the New Testament says that the Kingdom of the Spirit will come before "some now living die." We are living, therefore, in apostolic times.

The 1945 event was the rediscovery of the Nag Hammadi codices. My brain's not working properly right now, and it's been a while since I read any of this (last time this thread was active, actually), but I think that Dick saw the codices as being the key to our understanding of the original language, the end of our need to transcribe that pure information into physical form. The beginning of the end of the Empire.

Iirc, he expands on the importance of 1945 in one of the published sections of the Exegesis, but I can't find it at the moment.

I'm sure somebody'll correct me if I'm way off track here.
 
 
J Mellott
15:58 / 23.02.04
If I remember correctly, doesn't this have something to do with the plasmate/VALIS bleeding into our reality after the Manhattan project. I seem to remember some vague mention of this somewhere in VALIS. Or I might be hallucinating.
 
 
Cat Chant
16:31 / 23.02.04
In dormant seed form, the plasmate slumbered in the buried library of codices at Chenoboskion until 1945 C.E.

E Randy - THANK YOU. Okay, so the confusion is over whether real time starts with the pink light episode (as stated in #18) or with the awakening of the plasmate. Hmm. Thinking thinking now.
 
 
J Mellott
16:46 / 24.02.04
I thought I might be mistaken. It's the Nag Hammadi codices, not nuclear weapons. Wrong base entirely

I've heard that the movie "Valis" in the novel is loosely based on The Man Who Fell to Earth. If that assumption is correct, are there any possible subliminal or obscure references in Bowie's film that PKD borrowed?
 
 
Char Aina
18:50 / 24.02.04
just started this. and then started dune, which is sucking me in.

i'll be back.
 
 
Simplist
21:52 / 24.02.04
Does anyone know how biographical 'Timothy Archer' was? I'm really intrigued by this book which purports to be about an Anglican bishop from a Californian diocese. Its probably the only thing that PKD wrote that might be validated.

Short answer, the character Timothy Archer was based on James Pike, then Episcopal Bishop of California, and a friend of PKD's. The novel follows Pike's life and somewhat mysterious death fairly closely, but certain important characters and events are entirely fabricated (there's a book review going into some detail on the subject here). Pike's actually a fairly interesting character in his own right--check out his bio on the Grace Cathedral site:

Bishop James Pike: Visionary or Heretic?
 
 
houdini
14:59 / 05.03.04

VALIS is an amazing intellectual hit. But, having read the Exegesis first, as well as his extended Disneyland analogy (both from the collected writings book) I couldn't help but feel that a lot of it was theorizing dressed up as a story.

The best part of VALIS is when we find out the connection between the narrator and Horselover Fat.

On the subject of A Scanner Darkly, I will say that I found it quite moving and an interesting idea, but a very poorly written book and one that stumbled over itself several times. I think Dick's ideas are, in general, better than his writing. Which is okay with me; that seems to be (to grossly generalize) what sci-fi is for. Sometimes I feel more "mainstream" literature is for people whose writing is much stronger than their ideas. And then I re-read Thomas Pynchon and throw this theory away again.

But by far my favourite PKD book is 'The Transmigration Of Timothy Archer' -- it's much simpler than the other books, but it's also one his best written works. And it's so goddamn moving that it just washes over you, and sucks you in. It's a book that works (for me) on every level because it's got an emotional punch and an intellectual one, as well as a pretty strong commentary on both humanity and God.

Barefoot conducts his seminars on his houseboat in Sausalito. It costs a hundred dollars to find out why we are here on this Earth. You also get a sandwich, but I wasn't hungry that day. John Lennon had just been killed and I think I know why we are on this Earth; it's to find out that what you love the most will be taken away from you, probably due to an error in high places rather than by design.


Best opening paragraph ever.
 
 
HCE
18:10 / 05.03.04
Sausalito? I wonder if Sophia Coppola read Phil Dick.
 
  

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