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Glenn Close But No Cigar
21:50 / 20.05.08
My fsvourite womyn are:

Virginia Woolf
Sinderalla from Salt 'n' Peppa
Mummy


Who 'R' yours?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:55 / 20.05.08
While for some reason I can see this thread being potentially problematic, as far as the "womyn self-spelled with a y" go, Kathy Acker kicked buttock. I should really reread Pussy, King of the Pirates, and her rendition of Great Expectations is still on my pile to be read.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
21:59 / 20.05.08
Excellent! This thread is a celebration of womyn, and Ms. Kathy Acker has certainly earned hir place in it!
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
06:19 / 21.05.08
I like Geena Davis from Beetlejuice. Did you know she does archery?
 
 
Ron Stoppable
07:41 / 21.05.08
Narrowly missed out on a spot in the US Olympic team, I heard. She has the right frame for it; long back and all, but did she want it enough?
 
 
wicker woman
08:28 / 21.05.08
Tilda Swinton. She seems incredibly cool, and was by far the most appealing thing about the first Narnia movie. Not to mention Hellblazer.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:18 / 21.05.08
Excuse me, but what is this, exactly? Why the choice of spelling? Glenn here isn't someone I'd exactly associate with the kind of radical feminism that uses the term womyn, given his use of sexual innuendo to have a go at FI posters on the board and his apologism for other MI posters' sexually harrassing conduct. Taken along with his list ("Virginia Woolf, Sinderalla from Salt 'n' Peppa, Mummy") it all seems more like a dig at those funny uppity women who keep spoiling people's fun on Barbelith couched as wannabe surreal humour.

Still, nevermind. I'm sure a thread for boys to tell us what nice ladies they like the bestest is a terribly useful thing to have on the front page of the Conversation.
 
 
Proinsias
10:57 / 21.05.08
If it helps at all I like Mordant.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:06 / 21.05.08
So, at best, this is yet another "list" thread. Is that right? Well bravo.

What was the thinking behind your use of the term "womyn" Glen. Trying to open up Barbelith's politically correct reality tunnels again?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:28 / 21.05.08
In b4 "But why is it so wrong to appreciate women?!"
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
15:42 / 21.05.08
I'm so sorry, but let me guess:
Womyn are grrls all grown up?
(It feels wrong, so contrived, made-up)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:51 / 21.05.08
Well, the term was originated by radical feminists wanting to get rid of the "-man" element in the word, which seems fair enough I guess. It's since been statched up by antifeminist types as Exhibit A in the case of How Stoopid and Manhating teh Stoopid Manhating Feminazis Are. This is presumably the case with Glenn here, who has form for being a bit strange around uppity women.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:09 / 21.05.08
Don't get me wrong: I liked the Riot Grrl movement as the punk flipside to (Spice)Girl Power. I loved the raw power of L7(Danita Sparks' way of handling hecklers.hehheh...)adored Babes in Toyland, 7 Year Bitch, hell, even Ms. Love before she became complete parody...
The whole "Men don't define us, let's become Womyn" seems pretty sad. With women having been (&still) treated as second class citizens in our society (which is still better than most...) changing an "E" with a "Y" is pretty hollow, even if it's meant to be symbolic.
That being said... For women who don't take shit:
I love Eilowny from the Prydain novels,
Ursa from Superman II,
and Rogue from the X-Men comic
(Couldn't resist...)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:20 / 21.05.08
I don't think it's sad, no, although use of the term womyn tends to be bound up with a seperatist mindset that I don't share. There's nothing sad about looking at language and the way we use it in the search for a more equitable world. In fact the word woman derives from "wife-man" making it somewhat problematic, although "man" was at one time gender neutral.

And I really, really wish you'd resisted the temptation to play Glenn's little game.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:24 / 21.05.08
It's an interesting thought process, isn't it? I'm prejudiced against this movement, therefore I want to criticise it; therefore I'll find the silly bits, even if they're almost entirely at a tangent/utterly minor, and make a big deal out of them; I'll make a big deal out of them to convince others (but mostly myself) that the whole idea is stupid.

So, you know, the Left Wing will send you to the gulags, and if you're against the Iraq War you must support Saddam Hussein; Abu Hamza's opinion on what Muslims ought to do is worth listening to and more expressive of the general opinion than that of Mr D at work or indeed in the K'oran itself; etc, etc.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:25 / 21.05.08
Tom seems to be picking up his emails when they're requests for bans. I don't think that's been clarified recently, but it's certainly been the case where Grim Reader was concerned.

Just thought it'd be useful for people to know.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:36 / 21.05.08
I know, I know, i'm sorry Mordant, but at least I chose strong womyn... Except maybe Ursa, but I had a crush on her for soooooo long.
Language is funny for me: On one hand language is the way we "see" or understand reality, so language manipulation is a way of manipulating reality. (Take the boy out of the Temple...)
Yet it still bugs me to see things "evolve"(for lack of a better description) When people use "Thru" instead of "Through" or when they use IM-speak (Omg!) I shudder. Hell, it pisses me off when Yanks spell colour and cheque as color and check. (IT'S PRONOUNCED ZED, NOT ZEE! YOU DON'T NEED IT TO RHYME!!!)(apologies. Sincerely.)
"Sad" was not my best choice of words, and making a point to illustrate one's frustration at the way one has been historically percieved is not a bad thing in my mind, but like I said, to me it feels contrived, a protest out of spite.
...
...
If this continues is it threadrot or threadjam?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:39 / 21.05.08
Re: language change. It's a legitimate worry if there's a widespread loss of clearness. Shakespearean English expresses meanings more clearly and precisely than IM speak or text message speak, and has better grammar and syntax. One is better than the other.
 
 
Triplets
16:44 / 21.05.08
Synchrotastically, today's Dinosaur comic pretty much sums up my feelings on this thread.
 
 
Triplets
16:47 / 21.05.08
freektemple: I know, I know

Do you? Do you actually?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:49 / 21.05.08
Shakespearean English expresses meanings more clearly and precisely than IM speak or text message speak

But not if I want to know if you've got to the pub yet. kthxbai.

There is also nothing wrong with "Color" and "Zee." Zee simply derives from a different English dialect than Zed. As for the -or/-our thing, when US English diverged from British English there was no single accepted spelling with some scholars insisting on -or and others on -our. One lot went one way and the other lot went the other, pretty much arbitrarily. Neither is more "correct" than the other.

This thread is now about English.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:54 / 21.05.08
Is there a way to search any specificc person's posts to be able to get a glimpse at what people are like?
It's happened to me a couple of times that I rose to someone's bait without knowing my chain was being pulled...
Or is it only trial and error?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:57 / 21.05.08
Yeah, you can plug site:barbelith.com "User Name" into Google.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
17:07 / 21.05.08
freektemple: I know, I know

Do you? Do you actually?


Yeah... When i decided to look at the thread and decided to post, I skimmed through without actually reading Mordant's first post, missing how much something like this can get under her skin: I wasn't aware of Glenn's past, and despite his dumb opening, I thought that this could be a harmless, silly thread. In my naivety I thought that a "list" thread of who one considers positive, strong women could be fun and a good insight into other posters...

It's easy to be unintentionally insensitive when you haven't much idea of history, or when your nose hasn't been rubbed in shit much. Some of us haven't heard the same story/arguement/bullshit over and over and over...

Sorry Mordant, by adding to the list I was being playfully sincere and didn't take into account that it was really insulting. No disrespect was intended.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
18:16 / 21.05.08
What was the thinking behind your use of the term "womyn" Glen.

I'm actually 100% behind anybody who chooses to use the word 'womyn' to describe that part of the species that carries an XX chromosome. Replacing the 'men' in 'women' with something that does not appear to denote inferiority seems to me to be a perfectly rational act.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
18:18 / 21.05.08
given his use of sexual innuendo to have a go at FI posters on the board and his apologism for other MI posters' sexually harrassing conduct.

I'd like to see some evidence of this, please Mordant.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
18:24 / 21.05.08
best case - Glenn believed a shitty list thread was just what we needed

next best case - Glenn is a troll who wanted attention, or at least to stir up the admittedly slow-moving Convo

least best case - Glenn has some issues with women/feminism/Mordant that could really use dealing with

evaluation: let fail thread die, post interesting questions about evolution of language elsewhere.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
18:26 / 21.05.08
so, Glenn, you really, really, really didn't have any idea that this thread might provoke a negative reaction? there's no possible way that you were, in fact, hoping for a negative reaction?

really?
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
18:29 / 21.05.08
If anything, I thought Barbelith would be one of the few places on the web where the use of the word 'womyn' would be accepted.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:30 / 21.05.08
Use of the word "womyn," sure. Use of the word "womyn" from someone with your form? Not so much.

Well, there was your touching support for Epop (a man who parsed all of female psychology through a lens of rape, and threw around demeaning terms for women), your actions during DEDI's final banning (where you decided in your infinate wisdom to bin all the work that had previously been done on wrangling the situation, including much which was evidential and related directly to DEDI's lady ishoos, on the grounds that this was "fairer."

More recently, you subjected me and Olulabelle to sexual harrassment in the Moderating the Temple thread, where you chose to entertain yourself by connecting us sexually with each other and with a male poster who we'd identified as engaging in harrassing behavior towards us. When I PMed you identifying this as sexist and harrassing behavior and asked you--politely--to stop, you chose to ignore this and to make a further post in a similar vein which was deleted as offtopic.

I can dig up more if I really must, but basically? You're anti-feminist, a serial harrasser and apologist for other harrassers, and as far as I'm concerned this thread is just another example of that.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
19:11 / 21.05.08
If anything, I thought Barbelith would be one of the few places on the web where the use of the word 'womyn' would be accepted.

yes, because, obviously, ALL we are objecting to is that you used the term womyn, which we, as proud and oft-declared feminist-haters, don't approve of being used.

it's just like the thread about shit. it's probably just like the last ten threads you've started. either you're a complete doofus who does not understand how to start a thread with valuable content AND clueless enough not to realize you're about to provoke some people, or you're a blatant troll starting "edgy" topics which you know will irritate people, but with some mitigating factor like "it's really valid magick!" or "but I used the word womyn, I'm clearly on your side!" so that when the inevitable reaction occurs, you can call barbelith (Mordant, mostly) reactionary, and have a big gloat about how overly sensitive we all are, and revel in the attention.

and then tell us it was all a joke, you had no idea it would make anyone mad, etc etc, and then post pictures from some british comedy I've never heard of which are apparently a very clever comment on us.

aside from how annoying it is, it's exactly what you've done before, which means it's also kind of repetitious and uninteresting. so even if you are trying to stir up the old greyfaces in some discordian way, you're failing.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:18 / 21.05.08
Hell, it pisses me off when Yanks spell colour and cheque as color and check. (IT'S PRONOUNCED ZED, NOT ZEE! YOU DON'T NEED IT TO RHYME!!!)

As you are one of the dumbest posters ever to post on this distinctly moron-flavoured depressing excuse for a website, freektemple, the idea of you telling an entire nation of people how to write or speak properly pisses me off more than if I were, tomorrow, to receive a sound beating with a sack of bricks.

Yours, in character,

MFF
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:20 / 21.05.08
Milton, you were doing so well! Go and phone your sponsor.

Remember, relapse is a part of recovery.


ETA: am also honour-bound to point out that not all women/womyn carry the XX chromosome, and that not all XX people are women.
 
 
Mug Chum
20:23 / 21.05.08
Well it is Milton Friedman.

We should be glad he didn't told freektemple to 'suck on this'.
 
 
Mug Chum
20:25 / 21.05.08
Oops, got my Miltons confused.

Sorry.
 
  

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