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What drew you to magic and the occult?

 
  

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Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:23 / 10.05.08
It's complicated... when you're in the thick of things, witnessing and experiencing stuff that you just cannot explain any other way except by magic, you can feel very certain. Afterwards though the doubt creeps back in. Did I really see what I thought I saw? Feel what I thought I felt? I'm not as eaten up and consumed by doubt the way I once was, but it's still there. The same with results: did I get that job because of the spell, or would I have got it anyhow?

I don't think it's a bad thing though. You have to be open, flexible, capable of riding the wave or euphoria and moving to a place of cool appraisal afterwards when you've got some distance.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
18:58 / 12.05.08
Wish Trolls
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:07 / 12.05.08
For some reason I found that inexpressibly hilarious. Maybe it's the sad little emoticon. You wonder why the thought of Wish Trolls makes the poster so melancholy; maybe those berry-munching little moppets have lead hir into horrid depravities unknown to those who have not rubbed their magical acrylic headfuzz?
 
 
M.a.P
09:04 / 14.05.08
Hi everyone, i haven't been posting much (if anything at all) since i registered, because i thought i was only getting in touch with the thing.
When i was thirteen or so i was hanging out with small-town would-be psychonauts. Most of them were mostly interrested in getting as wasted as they possibly could and i couldn't understand, once i had tried a couple things, how they could not find a better use or even better ways of using what i considered at the time the greatest tools for anyone to reach a different state of mind.
I grew up with myths, one the first book i remember picking up in my school's library was a simplified version of Prometheus' story. I was fascinated.
I've always been playing music. I mean, always. And i've always felt that strange things were happening in my head when i was singing, especially when i was singing in front of people. I could get to them, in a really pure way.
When i was fifteen i had a year long relationship with a girl, i experienced the powerful grasp passionate love could have on me and on people in general as well as the revelation of a, let's say, naïve approach to all things sexual. I couldn't understand what was going on at all, time, space, consciousness, everything was different, everything was so intense. I could'nt quite come to term with "reality".
I was not and have never been attracted to so-called New-Age philosophies for several reasons: I had suffered through too many pothead/acid freak late night talks, where everyone was
just drawing convenient conclusions from reading half a chapter of a Castaneda book or planing a trip to Goa that would never be. I had seen new-agey types being ridiculed in the movies and on TV. I was more attracted to the Velvet Underground than to The Doors and i felt that shamanism, Eastern mysticism and magic were not something to take lightly, that there shouldn't be any shortcuts or stereotypes or over-simplification.
So i didn't get into it at all and kept going my own way, working on my voice, breathing, closing my eyes and letting it go. I was turning songs into wishful thinking.
A couple of years ago, a very good friend of mine started to get me into comics (i've always been a bookworm), he kept talking about Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman and Morrison. And then he mentioned magic. And he was careful with words, and he was not taking himself seriously. So there i was. You probably know the rest, as i have been lurking around here for quite sometime: I read The Invisibles, went to Grant Morrison's website, found the "Pop Magic!" article, found Disinfo's Book of Lies, watched the DVD, picked up Condensed Chaos...it seemed so easy! And it was in tune with so many things i had found in Nietzsche's, Debord's or Baudrillard's work! R.A.W has been of great help too.
Then I started playing around, working on a system of my own i still haven't quite figured out, trying to reshape the world according to this great melting pot of ideas i had already read about in many, many non-occult books i.e the act of creation as a magical experience. I tried a couple of sigils with more or less satisfying results (I guess doing the rituals was the most satisfying thing). I know there's more to it, Barbetlith posters demonstrate it everyday.
As i have always "ritualized" my existence, symbols are tools that i'm very keen on. I did a couple of other home-made rituals, like asking my girlfriend to cut my hair and dedicating the whole process to Change, deep-breathing, with the same song on repeat over and over, and feeling very little and humble. It worked. I started having dreams, and i even experienced lucid dreaming once. I'm still learning, i don't want to devote myself to one tradition (even chaos magic!) so i read a lot; for now the path seems right (maybe a little too safe).
And doubt is my best friend.
And i must say you guys at Barbelith have been great lately, seeing the Temple in such good shape is of great help!

Phew! That was a relatively long post, hope it wasn't too much of a pain...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:56 / 16.05.08
Here's a link to an older thread on the same topic.
 
 
Internaut
23:19 / 01.06.08
The chance to broaden my horizons in a way that i couldnt achieve with anything else.

Magick is something huge and beautiful and a bloody wonderful amalgamate of concepts, and having at least nominal knowledge in any one of these fields is equivelant to nothing ive ever know.

it's something new, pure and simple, no matter how much you know.
 
 
Mister Saturn
12:01 / 06.07.08
Wow, all the stories you guys have! So many different bases and origins.

I guess I've been programmed from birth to get into the weird (5am on the fifth of May), and like many people, was born into a Catholic family.

My father brought my sister and I the entire set of "The Enchanted Forest" - each book containing fairy tales or myths, one book full of mermaid tales, the other full of ghost tales (the horror ones were BLACK books... spooky). Anyone have 'em too???

When I was four, the family moved to a big old Edwardian house (used to be a doctor's surgery), complete with servant rooms separate from the house, and there I started to worship Anubis and Aphrodite (death and love - hm!). I encountered my first ghost, The Blue Boy, who my mum thought was an invisible friend of mine.

My father found out about me worshipping Anubis and Aphrodite from the Enchanted Forest's Gods and Goddesses volume, along with The Almighty God, and sat me down to tell me that the latter two were not 'real'. I asked him, "then, why did all the people worship them before? Why did they make them up? What about God?"

I found a book when I was 7 or 8, (swiped from under my sis's bed), The Book of Spells, and experimented with the ones that did not involve eating spiders or dove blood.

Fast forward to years later, when my first lizard died (my totem/spirit animal is crocodile, along with snakes and lizards), I was devastated, and I stopped praying to the Catholic God. I had realised that everything that I had learnt and the things that I had faith in was becoming a very square peg to Catholic's round hole.

When I was fifteen, I met my half brother for the first time (my mum was forced to adopt him out thirty years ago), and I was shocked to learn that he used to be deeply immersed in pagan activities, and that he used to have a "sense", where he'd be able to tell you where you left your car keys or where your grandmother lost her brooch, even though he's never met you before. But after a very bad event in a graveyard with some friends and high magick, he swore off magick and "gave up" his "sense", and made me promise NEVER to practice magick on my own, rather, in a coven approved by him.

He never told me what exactly happened, but it was bad enough that he cut all ties and turned to drugs, but he was fond of me and worried, because I was getting a "sense" as well, (since hitting puberty) but more of knowing what people were doing, and also dreaming shards of the future. He eventually left a few years ago for the north, and I haven't heard from him since.

As soon as he left, I began to throw myself into magick more than ever before, and tried to consider joining a coven, but it didn't fit - so it's been a path of success, hiccups and failure, pissing off a deity and discovering new worlds by myself. I'm pretty proud to have come this far, and I remind myself to always have doubt to stay in my human shoes.
 
 
Dusto
17:42 / 06.07.08
I think I posted all of this in 2003 under a different account (Bloody Chiclitz), but Google’s not helping me find it, so here it is again:

I grew up in a fairly religious household. My mom, at least, was Seventh Day Adventist and took me to church, and she wouldn’t let me play D & D or with Ouija boards because she was afraid it would summon real demons who would possess me. She also would tell the story, corroborated by my aunt and grandmother, about how she used to levitate tables when she was in high school, placing her hands on the top of the table and then lifting all four legs off the ground just by raising her hands. Supposedly she couldn’t do this in rooms that contained a crucifix, so she got freaked out and thought it was demons giving her the power, and she stopped doing it.

When I was around 13, I decided that I no longer believed in God, though I was still interested in religion (in particular mystic religions like Gnosticism, Sufism, and Kabbalah). I was also always interested in magic, and in high school I got into the yijing, casting the coins for my friends sometimes with startlingly appropriate results. When I was about 16, for some reason I started having a lot of night terrors, though I didn’t know what they were at the time. I would wake up in the night, paralyzed, with the sense that something ineffably evil was beside me, whispering in my ear. This went on for about two weeks before I randomly started doing this weird “ritual” before falling asleep, envisioning opposed hemispheres passing through me along x, y, and z axes to form three protective spheres around me after they’d all passed completely through (I’m not sure if that description gives a visual idea of what I mean or not, but I guess it’s not important). Anyway, the night terrors ceased from the moment I started doing this.

My natural instincts have always been fairly in line with the principles of sympathetic magic. I’ll take a piece of something and vaguely try to use it to influence the whole. No system, just instinct, and I can’t say I’ve had any concretely measurable results from this sort of thing, but it’[s the way my mind works. I also tried a sigil once and got better than the result I was hoping for, though it’s a case where I can’t positively attribute the result to magic.

Lately, no idea why, my old interest has been renewed. When I sit and reflect, I’m a skeptic, but as I said before my natural instinct is towards a vague sort of mysticism. I’ve been trying to invoke Mercury lately, seeing if I can get him to show up for a chat, so we can see if the two of us might be able to work out some sort of mutually beneficial relationship, but I’ve still had very little measurable success. The first attempt was the most promising, when a book arrived in the mail with a section about Mercury in chapter one on the same day that I first invoked him. The next few attempts didn’t give me much to go on (one was an attempt at meditation while running, since he and I are both runners, the other was an all day vision quest around Manhattan, leaving coins at various crossroads and trying to follow my instincts). The only promising result after the first was a few nights ago when I did a little research on the Tarot and found that Trump 1, the Magus, is associated with Mercury, so I decided to mentally identify myself with that card. I shuffled, cut, and had my wife lay the cards for me, and was pleasantly surprised when that card came up as representing the querent (me). I suppose I’ll see where this road takes me.
 
 
yemeth
14:24 / 08.07.08

nice thread and stories

I've never been the magicky-type, if there can be any standard. Not even remotely a newager, and I still flee from such environments. When I was a teenager I was mostly attracted to computers and hacking, science, politics, and philosophy, specially as I sank into a deep existential crisis which developed into a depression that lasted for years: thinking nothing to be true, and tremendously rebelling against society because of the lies I had been conditioned to believe.

The story on what drew me to magick starts like five years ago, in the depths of my depression. Some close friends and I had formed in the previous years a group we called “hiddenpath” in which we tried to find “answers” (what is all this about, etc). We had started with Hermann Hesse and existentialism and went on and on,... I developed some curiosity towards magick, since chaos magick sounded pretty coherent unlike the typical newage nutty stuff, and bought the "Book of Lies" from Disinfo. I started with Pop Magic!, changed a bit the exercise on invocation to fit my meditation skills and externalize it (a bit like evoking demons), and in one month I found that I had almost fully stopped my depression by identifying it with an external entity, which I had shaped using May (the character in the "May" movie).

I still didn't believe at that time it was anything beyond some mind tricks, but all in all it was such an awesome tool to control my mind that I was hooked. One day, a week after a lucky ritual, really weird synchros started to happen. They piled up and started to look like personal messages, then piled up even more and developed into something like personal demons and a conversation with some all-something, and the game really started,... and my skepticism learnt that strict rationalism wasn't true skepticism at all
 
 
Foretold Soldier
03:08 / 16.07.08
My first interest in magic began when I first believed in the soul, or higher self. I was beyond the breaking point from taking an aztec communion to the sun god via the morning glory, and I communicated through body language with my pet rats. I bonded with them deeply, became one with every thing, and ultimately discovered a new way of life for my self. I haven't gone back since.
 
 
SBN-1
11:26 / 16.07.08
Hola!
Great reading the posts here!

My first memories in life are of playing with elves when I was about two years old. Up until school I was regarded as almost autistic, not responding to outside stimuli other than music. Started writing books at four. I used to look at the stars and intensely long to get back. Then I began in catholic school(kind of weird as my parents were post-hippie communists) and everything changed. I became this super-sensitive macho alpha-male beating up anybody with the nerve to pick on me. I also experienced that I was able to manipulate/dominate my friends into almost anything (sex included).

Six years later my school priest introduced me to William Blake... For the first time I saw images that resembled my memories from infancy, and I got obsessed with drawing copies of Blake's prints.
At fourteen I had a drowning accident and experienced trancendence of space-time and death-conciousness for the first time. At the same time my friends started doing drugs, killing themselves and generally being stupid, so I went into survival mode dodging gang-fights and drugs as I violently opposed authorities and dreamt of another way. The opportunity presented itself:

After one year in high school I was politely asked to leave by the school-counselor so I got on the first bus out of town and joined a ritualistic, shamanistic street-theatre touring Europe. Here I was introduced to all kinds of bodywork, trance, breathing, sound, extacy, hard work (blooody haaard work) and kept on doing that for twelve years. In that period I did a lot of martial arts, body-building and qi-work too. At the same time I had countless experiences with visions, healing, rapture etc as well as an obsession with falcons as they appeared in my dreams and in real life making a deep impression on me.
Finally I started reading stuff like daoism, TCM, Castaneda, myths, RAW, sufism, Crowley, Leary etc trying to find words for all the fun stuff in my life.
At this point I realized that I had been working non-stop since I was sixteen and had no formal education, so I quit touring and started studying medicine and body-therapy and joined the OTO. And that's where I am today.
So I guess my approach to magic (transformation of energy) has been very practical, subjective and forceful. Now I'm trying to read up on the theory for balance and further growth. As a result of all this combined with my temperament I am convinced that (my) life has to be magical - I really have no better choice. GERONIMO!
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:09 / 16.07.08
I, um, I bought a pizza and written on the underside of the box was the message "why not try a career in music" which I misread slightly and here I am. Years later, upon discovering my mistake, I picked up a guitar and have left all this magic nonsense behind me.
 
 
clever sobriquet
12:10 / 17.07.08
The short answer was that I finally stopped and took a friend's admonition towards empiricism seriously and began to pay attention to all my senses. The long answer is, well, longer. Due to some pretty frightening experiences as a young child (figures watching me through the walls at night, etc) and some really quality dismissal by adults, I came to the logical-for-a-five-year-old conclusion that I was alone on this, and that if I ignored and denied the experiences,they wouldn't bother me.

It didn't work, unsurprisingly. In classic repression manner, things leaked out all over the place. I had an attraction/repulsion to all things weird, and would read ghost stories, tales of UFO and Forteana like crazy, until I creeped myself out and couldn't sleep for weeks. About the age of twelve, I started having "migraines" that would override my sensory impressions and take me... somewhere else. Every few years, I'd build up enough courage or exasperation to "try something", but then things would get weird fast and scare me back into denial.

Jump to a brief period of unemployment, where I had lots of alone time on my hands, and things started rushing in to such an extent that I really began to believe I might be shizophrenic (sad, to look back on it and realize my reaction to feeling love and personal attention from the sun, trees or the wind was fear and worry about my own sanity). Unsurprisingly, my "migraines" continued, until I finally started paying attention to the visions that came with them, stopped fighting them, and realizing that there was no pain, only disorientation and loss of standard sensory control.

Since then, I've made friends with all sorts of .... well, I just call them friends; I don't have a better word for it. Some are, or choose to appear as, human shaped (Hermes, Euterpe, maybe Odin and someone who's almost certainly a Ghede), and others who come more primally (sun, winds, rain, trees, bodies of water). The world is a much less frightening place now that I'm no longer suffering numinous PTSD.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
13:44 / 17.07.08
How about we refer to it as Post-pneumatic stress disorientation - PPSD? Tis no disorder, surely!
 
 
clever sobriquet
18:45 / 17.07.08
NfB-T, I'd say *my* bad reaction from early experiences of numina was disordered, but I can't speak for anyone else.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
09:05 / 27.01.09
I was allways searching for someting, Something to explain why my world around me seemed to be slighty diffrent to what everone else seemed to be experincig.
As a child I could see that a lot of things weren't right, Problems with my parents marrige, probems with my freinds, a sense of not fitting in and a sense of dislocation. But I didn't have the mental vocabluary to understand and articualte what was wrong or why I fet these things. I had a hankering to go to Church at age 7 which I continued till i was 13/14.
Cue a typcially horrendous 80's teenagehood. Ignored by Parents, a little bit of gender confusion, too much into books not enough into sport, small town malaise,The tribalism of Comp shool-the 80's You were no one if you didn't have the right trainers/haircut ect, Hormones, living in the shadown of a younger talented sibling. I came out of my ealry teens and threw myself into experments with Alcahol and listening to far too much Iron Madien and Marillion. (Typical provincail town Metlalhead)Agin though I found the Metal scene full of questions, all that leather and macho posturing? Ahhhh Rob Halford that answers a lot
Late teens parents marrige broke up in highly bitter way-that affected me. Drank more, expermented with drugs still searching for answers-lucily I found Pot boring, Acid amazing but rare as hens teeth and it still didn't give me the answers more of a distraction. Read a lot of occult literature but it still didnt make the connection. Parts of it made sense parts of it didn't. So I drifed through the 90's as a Husband, father, with a bookshelf full of books gathering dust.
2002 Met somone who gave me one simple practical lesson in Cermomnial Maigic. Same day we recived a payment from Famly Tax for 8k.
To me that was the proof that I had been looking for.
Not only were there Other pepople out there that could see the cracks and gaps in the world but they had a system to fight back.
I opend my eyes again, I saw a lot of stuff that I didn't like a situation I had gotten myself into through my own Indolence (that was a bitter pill to swallow). A few more unplesant lessons from Odin and the Goetia didn't put me off, made me more headstrong and more confident in myself and my own abilities. Since then life has been fast due to the effects of Accleatied Karma but like the saying goes "I have lived in intresting times"
I suppose nowadays I accept a lot more, Like most magicians I have a undertanding of Psycholigy and sociligy, I understand people a lot more, I undersnat that people (myself incuded for a time) are experits in self delusion becuase they are scared of the "real" world.
 
 
simulated stereo
09:31 / 27.01.09
I have always had a passing interest in esoteric things. It all began way back in the 1980's when I was in middle school. I was a young metalhead in Alabama so the whole "satanic panic"/Geraldo/ daytime talk show hysteria going on back then was teenage rebellion made easy. A lot of posing and "evil" sketches, really. I would read a little bit here and there and in college I started reading Crowley and what I could understand, I liked.

Fast forward 12 years or so...

I've also struggled over the years with weight problems and for the past two years I felt myself becoming a really fat, lazy slob. Decided in August of 2008 to do something about it and so far I've lost a little over 80 pounds while at the same time increasing strength and endurance. while I've always thought of myself as a pretty smart guy, it seemed that, I don't know, I was getting dumber, maybe not dumber but slower. Didn't have much focus either. After my weight loss and exercise regime took hold I decided to work on ways of developing my mind. After reading a lot about Chaos Magic I decided to give it a shot and ordered a copy of Psychonaut. For the past month or so I've been working my way through the exercises in the beginning. By the way, motionlessness is hard to do. I haven't been able to get past six minutes. In addition to the exercises I've also begun working with tarot. I'm 35 and about as big a novice as you'll find, but I guess it's never too late.
 
 
cerca_trova
13:55 / 05.02.09
I don't think I was drawn to magic and the occult, rather I think it has always been with me, and now that I'm older I just recognize its influence in my and everyone's daily lives. I'm the only child, so I spent most of my childhood alone with my dog exploring woods, talking to trees, and having what I believed at the time were conversations with the sky.

When I was in middle school my father made me read Meditiations on the Tarot and started getting me into Arthur Waite's deck and the symbology behind the images. I think I was a bit too young at the time to get all the concepts, but it stuck with me through college when I finally got my first tarot deck and Rachel Pollack's book '78 Degrees of Widsom' which I still find to be very helpful in my daily readings.

After the death of a close friend in '04 I spent a lot of time looking for greater answers and meaning to life and my life specifically. I listened to TOOL obsessively and took some friends of mine to visit Alex Grey's gallery in chelsea which I had been to some years before.

That night Daniel Pinchbeck was giving a talk with Alex, and there was an entheocentric salon.....let's just say I permanently stepped through the looking glass that night. as did my friends.

so yeah. that's my damn story
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
05:12 / 10.03.09
I wasn't looking to explore the world of magic - I was looking for a structure to help me compose the plot of a novel. The basic idea that occurred to me was this ephemeral notion of the "Tree of Life."

I climbed into the world of the Kabbala, and haven't really climbed back down yet. It lead me through the Tarot, Astrology, the Mayan Calendar & Calendar systems as a whole, Numerology, Psychology, Chronobiology and a host of other disciplines.

I've only just begun to write the novel that got me started on this - 9 years after the fact (and that number is hardly incidental).

I've also been immersed in the Medicine within proper stories. Leslie Marmon Silko's Ceremony, Joseph Boyden's Three Day Road and Tomson Highway's Kiss of the Fur-Queen are exemplary.
 
 
toughest, fastest, fatest
20:23 / 27.08.09
Excellent thread.

I grew up in a "catholic" family, dad an atheist lapsed catholic, and mum a secular and moderate spiritulist/pagan catholic from a family including a fortune teller/medium mother and a wiccan sister. There were always plenty of Von Daniken books and stuff about Atlantis, and UFOs, and the Greenman and fairies around, which I read from an early age, I also thought I saw a fairie or "piskey" while on holiday in Cornwall as a child.

In my early teens I used to create narratives in my head and on paper, with characters that were basically Mary Sues, and had things happen that I wanted to happen to me, these sometimes came true...

Finally I discovered Crowley and Grant Morrison and Alan Moore in my late teens, and haven't looked back, it should be said I don't actually practice magic regularly, and I am slso someone who regards themselves as atheist, and in fact even a fan of Richard Dawkins - but I have done enough magic and seen enough done, to believe it works, and I'm not sure why, but I think it's something to do with sub-concious and self-empowerment.

I really started to believe when I got £12,000 after a simple sigil for more money.

I do have Grant Morrison in particular to thank for introducing me to chaos magic.
 
 
Maxim, ex animo
11:27 / 15.11.09
I got into [arbitrary definition of the subject in question] coming out of my angsty teenage atheist phase. I think it was a sudden happier period in my life which made me give up reading about Communism and arguing with people and look into better things.

I'm not sure on the order, but at some point in there I read the Tao Te Ching and various works of Rumi and Junaid, and between the two and the state that I was already in, I ended up in a fairly ecstatic 'place'. From there it was just more reading, more thinking, but most importantly getting into the world and looking for the patterns, what Rabinadrath Tragore called the 'thousand bonds of delight'. The most important early step was the decision to reject a division between self and reality, which was a significant factor in my tattoos, intended to connect inner consciousness with the 'we', across the perceived border of selfhood.

I tried some practical things, I Ching, some Chaos Magic at the suggestion of the friend who introduced me to the idea, a bit of free-form playing with group energy (which had a stronger result than it initially seemed, and worried me enough that I didn't try it again), but it always seemed somewhat...artificial. Always seemed like the best results came from direct immersion in everything, without having to 'do' anything for it.

The feeling comes and goes, I came on here tonight for the first time in years because for some reason or other I found myself spiritually intoxicated, and it ocurred to me that this was a good place for that. I think outside will be the next good place, I should get my shoes.
 
 
Atridr
13:55 / 26.03.13
Looking back, I had done magick when I was kid many times, but just didn't recognize it for what it was until I got actively interested in it in my teens. That's something like twelve years ago now. First I was interested in asatruism, hippie mysticism and Nietzsche, then found out about chaos magick through a friend when I was in college. The summer of 2003(How coincidental, 2+3) seems to have a been a turning point in my life, when the constant perceptual weirdness and several mystical experiences I had just built up to a point where my day-to-day experience permanently changed to accomodate the magick that had been hiding in plain sight all along.

During the last ten years I have studied various strands of mysticism and magick, including zen, energy manipulation, Taoism, racial mysticism, rune magick, theistic satanism, christian & gnostic mysticism and drug-alchemy.
 
  

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