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Eek! A Freek!
15:53 / 17.04.08
What would Robert Anton Wilson Do?

He would laugh.

He would not take things so seriously.

He would say “Maybe” not “Yes”, not “No”.

He would question not believe.

He would evolve, not stagnate.

He would look within to see that which is without.

He would look without to find that within.

He would zig, and if he felt like it, maybe even zag.

Most importantly, he would Forgive.

RAW was a prophet, and may now may very well be a God, and in order to worship him, or at very least, Honour him, one must question all things and avoid all forms of dogma. Catma, on the other hand, is fine, so long as you continually question it. You must even question your habit of questioning things. You must believe with all your heart that believing in things is dangerous.

When in doubt, always ask: WWRAWD?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
16:54 / 17.04.08
Rotate vigorously in his grave at the concept of this thread?

Balk at the idea of being raised onto the platform of prophet and potential God?

Slap you upside the head and ask you instead WWFTD?

Cry a few tears that so many of his fans seem to miss the point that most of his writing was really about getting people to think for themselves more, not about uncritically taking on board all of his ideas as a one-size-fits-all design for life?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
17:09 / 17.04.08
Not having a go at you there. I just honestly believe that every RAW fan could do with applying the general principle expressed here:

You must even question your habit of questioning things.

To their own responses to RAW's ideas, written output and cultural persona. I really think the man would appreciate his readers taking a more critical and questioning attitude towards his work, much more than he would appreciate being sainted or deified to any extent.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
17:30 / 17.04.08
I believe he's a saint/prophet/god in the most Discordian sense: In that everyone is. It's a reminder to reflect not on the man, but the ideas that made the man great.

Crowley didn't want a following either, and his fears came true. RAW would remind us that life's a joke in the best way: not on us, but with us.

I carry in a wallet a two cards from RAW: One proclaiming me a Pope, one proclaiming me a Tsar. I'm getting even by proclaiming him a God.

If G. Morrison could try elevate John Lennon to Godhood (godhood) I will do the same for RAW: ONLY to grant the wisdom upon his followers to question EVERYTHING, reject dogma, to THINK for themselves, and be forgiving of others.

It's all very tongue in cheek, my dear...
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:43 / 17.04.08
I question the questioning of one's questioning ability, which is the question proposed herein.

On the other hand, we could have a thread to let the little discordian in us roam free for a bit. But then again, there's an entire Conversation forum for that.

"Johnny Question" would be a cool ficsuit too. Not as cool as "Kim Possible", tho.

Now, I'm off to research the Net to find out who the f*7k is that RAW guy.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
18:49 / 17.04.08
Crowley most certainly did want a following, that's why he kept setting up religions and abbeys. He lived off of his followers for most of the latter half of his life.

Sorry, threadrot...
 
 
trouser the trouserian
18:58 / 17.04.08
It's a reminder to reflect not on the man, but the ideas that made the man great.

Like what ideas?
 
 
penitentvandal
19:19 / 17.04.08
What would Robert Anton Wilson do?

Butyric fermentation

After the early putrefaction and black putrefaction phases have taken place, the body begins mummification, in which the body begins to dry out. The human carcass is first mummified, and then goes through adipocere formation. Adipocere (grave wax) formation refers to the loss of body odor and the formation of a cheesy appearance on the cadaver. Mummification is considered a post-active stage because there is less definite distention between changes and they are indicated by reduced skin, cartilage, and bone. Mummification is also indicated when all of the internal organs are lost due to insect activity.

I don't fancy doing that, thanks.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:09 / 17.04.08
Was Wilson really an ideas man? He's either good fun or dreadful, according to taste, as a satirical novelist. And as a cultural (I'd say ontological, but I'm not entirely sure what that means) theorist/philosopher/non-fiction author he's arguably a synthesist, rather than a source of original material.

He's good on explaining quantum physics in layman's terms, I assume (I mean I sort of understood it, at the time, with very little background in the way of the post school exam sciences) and then linking that up to James Joyce, comparative religions and so on in a thought-provoking way. But for the most part, he's considering other people's ideas, not advancing his own.

There's the scene in 'Cosmic Trigger One', I think, when in spite of the intimations of the divine he's been talking about throughout, he decides to cryogenically preserve his recently-deceased daughter because when it comes down to it, he can't accept her tragic, early death as anything other than a scientifically alterable accident. Because he doesn't trust the alternatives.

I'm not saying everyone should read everything Wilson wrote, but having been over a lot of it, the idea that he ever had a manifesto, let alone that it, had it existed, would have had much to do with the Wavy Davey material he made up for a laugh to pay the bills while he was writing for Playboy is a little unfair, I think.
 
 
illmatic
20:57 / 17.04.08
I'd agree with that. He's more a synthesist that anything else, outside of his non-fiction work. I get the impression that these ideas were really important *for him* but the problem with his books is reading them doesn't take you on the same intellectual journey he's been on. You get a sense of this in Cosmic Trigger 2 (a kind of personal/intellectual autobiography with added Fortena, which I like best out of all of his I've read), you can see what a wide range of influences he took on board, but a shelf full of easily digestible RAW books isn't the same thing.

I still like him, I think he was a bit of a trailblazer in the way he pulled together such a disparate range of influences and popularised them - I just don't think he's the bee knees in the way I used to.

Here's a list of his recommended brain books.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
23:31 / 17.04.08
Ok... When put it that way, he was great for the Ideas he cribbed.
Actually I was thinking more of his agnostic, maybe attitude. Yes, his writings were largely interpretations of Leary, Gurdjieff, Crowley, Thornley, McKenna, etc... But he did have a way of making them his own. In many ways, making them fun... I think that his stressing critical thinking was important.
You know the movie Dogma? Particularly when the 13th apostle(Chris Rock) tells Jay & Silent Bob that Jesus was about great Ideas, not about beliefs, because when you start believing you stop thinking and that becomes dangerous...? That, in my mind, is pure RAW. That he was about exploring and testing Ideas, not subscribing to beliefs... And yes, he was great at exposing laymen to more obfuscated philosophies and thinking.
I just have a mighty warm spot in my heart for the guy.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:02 / 18.04.08
I was going to say that Wilson's writing against hard skepticism (in his day, James Randi, and now Dworkins) was based on an essentially humanist assumption that the current scientific model of the world may not be entirely correct. And that the genuine scientist's postion should be agonostic, always.

Then again;

You know the movie Dogma? Particularly when the 13th apostle(Chris Rock) tells Jay & Silent Bob that Jesus was about great Ideas, not about beliefs, because when you start believing you stop thinking and that becomes dangerous...?

Gave me pause.
 
 
darth daddy
00:40 / 18.04.08
I'm feeling old and reactionary writing this...At the end with the "guns and dope party" he became an old pathetic hippy to me...play with enough guns and dope and they grow old.

There is a point where counterculture is transformative. There is a point where counterculture is just reactionary.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:48 / 18.04.08
darth,

It's quite late here in England, too, but before you drag Bob Wilson into what seems like a fairly hard-edged view of his failings, it's perhaps worth considering his life as a dimensional object.

In three dimensions, sure, he, Bob, published lots of books, looked after his family, had a good time, swam with the dolphins, was always a stand-up guy in the pub and so on. By all accounts he grew his ponytail in peace, but we understand these things only darkly.

On the other hand, just because your idea of a Vision Quest these days is listening to the f***ing Eagles doesn't mean anything.

I'd suggest you wash your mouth out with peyote and chant a scene or two from the Illuminatus'. Bob may then arrive from elsewhere, sliver-bearded, courteous, and the rest will be up to you.

Good luck!
 
 
darth daddy
10:11 / 18.04.08
I suspect you are right, perhaps I've been struck by the curse of the greyface.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
15:16 / 19.04.08
Surely we need to follow this up with a 'What Would Grant Morrison Do?' thread?
 
 
Mug Chum
16:06 / 19.04.08
He's too cool, wouldn't do a thread like that. So we won't.
 
 
penitentvandal
16:06 / 19.04.08
Grease himself up and wrestle wolves?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:24 / 19.04.08
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:42 / 19.04.08
Bob, in that shot, seems to be resting his arms on his knee for a reason.

Given the look on his face when the picture was taken, the eye is invited to consider what's not being shown, arguably.

In a way though, wasn't that RAW's subject too?
 
 
penitentvandal
15:06 / 20.04.08
He's resting his arms on his knees because he's trapped in a rigid reality tunnel!
 
 
Quantum
17:17 / 20.04.08
Nobody with the middle name 'Primrose' can be said to be trapped in a rigid reality tunnel IMHO. Do we need a W.W.R.P.W.D thread?
 
  
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