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Madonna: Four Minutes

 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
13:44 / 17.04.08
Okay, I am very superficial in my interest in Kabbalah and the 2012 Aquarian conspiracy stuff.
But has anyone seen the new Madonna ft. Justin Timberlaker video. It so fits with this sort of thing. 4 minutes = four years; that sort of "thang." The imagery is just drippy with this sort of thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLrWusoMNPA&feature=related

Any thoughts on this? Or on Madonna's weird semi-creepy, semi-hot cougar-y-ness?
 
 
Feverfew
18:53 / 17.04.08
The foldiness bugged me, until I realised I'd seen another form of it in the video for Let Forever Be.

Seriously, though; "M.I.L.F.'s"? "weird semi-creepy, semi-hot cougar-y-ness?" Could I ask for a bit more explanation of your feelings about the song without using descriptors like these, please? I understand it's catchy, but I would like to hear your take on the kabbalistic qualities and relation to conspiracy theories in a little more detail, if you please.

Madonna - or Madonna's writers and musicians, at the very least - have always been good at coming up with weirder melodies - Frozen, for instance, versus Ray of Light - perhaps this is just a zeitgeist-y iteration of the same formula, perhaps not...
 
 
Janean Patience
06:02 / 18.04.08
Madonna's weird semi-creepy, semi-hot cougar-y-ness?

I too would have preferred the term MILF not to have been used, though hey maybe it'll increase our Google hits, but I think the issue of Madonna's sexual appeal and how it relates to her music is interesting. She's trailblazing here, or at least I can't think of another female artist continuing to be so pop, with all the reliance on being hot that entails, at her age.

Being sexy has always been a huge part of being a successful pop act, of course. And the charts have always been fairly equal between men and women in that regard; pretty boys and desirable girls alike are judged on their attractiveness as much as their music. But the guys have had the advantage of getting older and moving on, taking their audience with them even though they're not pin-ups any more. The Beatles being the most obvious example. Female stars, in contrast, have faded away or been actively rejected. Blondie had the combo of great music and a hot lead singer, but you'd think Debbie Harry getting old was meant as a personal insult to the music press from the tone of the reviews when they reformed.

Madonna was always more about sex than any of the others. Around the period of Sex and Erotica she took control of her own sexuality and that became the appeal to the audience; she's in charge. Now, a decade and a half after that period, she's still doing great pop music and still being sexy with it. The new video's hot (though is Timberlake planning to work with every one of his 80s heroes? Who's next, Wang Chung?) and unapologetically so. This phase of Madonna's career began with the last album, and I know at least one girl who hated the Hung Up video because she felt Madge was too old to be dancing like that in that leotard. Mainly, though, this display of active, appealing sexuality has been ignored when you'd expect Is 50-year-old Madonna embarrassing herself? headlines in the Daily Mail. Perhaps because it's Madonna, and she's already proven to be stronger than the media, they're leaving it alone but it seems to me she's going where nobody's gone before. The Rolling Stones, fawned over for Shine A Light, have realigned their appeal so it's all about the live experience. Madonna, 26 years on from Like A Virgin, is still doing what she always did. This seems to me quietly revolutionary.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:15 / 18.04.08
I don't know about this at all. Madonna at fifty seems to be making the same point about her sexuality that Mick Jagger was trying to make about his in the late Eighties, during the disastrous 'Let's Work' period. There's the same iffy styling - going to the the gym may be necessary, but it's not cool - the same signs of a mid-life crisis spiralling out of control. See also Bowie going jungle. It's something that has to be worked though, I suppose, but it's best done in private.

Madonna at fifty could walk into pretty much anywhere and leave with whoever she wanted, as Jagger could have done, even in the doldrums of his career, and as Sting could, as we speak. So please, let's not get into the idea that the media's current reluctance to take Madonna seriously has got anything to do with society's approach to women over fifty in general. Like Mae West or Tallulah Bankhead Madonna will be able to score in a night club until she's rather old, and there's nothing particularly new or original about any of this.

Basically, Madonna has asidiously courted the public eye for twenty five years, and the public eye is now feeling sick. I'm sure the new album's all right, but I'm equally sure that, given the money and production talent that's been thrown at it, my parents' dog, or even I, might score a couple of hits if kindly treated barking over the backing tracks.

She's hardly the first sex symbol to turn fifty, but, as with Jagger ('Let's Work' is on youtube somewhere I'm sure, as is the godless abortion that was Bowie and Jagger doing 'Dancing In The Streets') Madonna is now just naff. Even if she does do ninety hours of pilates a week, or whatever it's supposed to be. She can go on about not letting her children watch television, and her spiritual beliefs, and all the rest of the junk she's rarely directly interviewed about (but which we all have to skim over in the paper in any case - how does that happen, I wonder) but the question remains: Who. F***ing. Cares?

Plus, she does need a new stylist.

Boy George is another one, as is Morrissey*; just when you think they're settling down into a quiet life of middle-aged debauchery, one more career revival appears on the horizon. And all the reasons why you never liked them that much loom sharply back into focus.


*Admittedly, it was good to see Morrissey back after a seven year hiatus, but one album was enough.
 
 
bencher
11:18 / 21.04.08
About the video, that black all-consuming mass that follows behind her just reminds me so much of this one panel in the last issue of The Invisibles(set in 2012, on the day the world ends), where this globular swarm of machines starts consuming everything in Changi airport.
 
 
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22:12 / 21.04.08
Madonna's the bomb. Can't wait to hear the new album. I hope it'll be as good as her last one (which I feel was one of her best).
 
  
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