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Barbelith Fixes the Movies

 
 
penitentvandal
20:32 / 26.03.08
Okay: we've all seen a lot of movies which were potentially cool, but wound up with really sucky endings. So, inspired by the 'How it should have ended' clips on Youtube, how would you go about fixing these films to make them better?

As an example, the other night when in a hypnogogic haze through not being able to sleep for indigestion, I suddenly had me what alcoholics call a 'moment of clarity' and realised what they should have done to fix the Matrix films. Basically:

Second film - should have been entirely from Smith's point of view, and gave us the Matrix side of things: the Agents believe they are fighting the freedom fighters because they are a threat to...something: we're never told entirely what at this stage, as clearly the agents don't understand, they follow programming and don't question. Agent Smith, however, has begun to question, and this is the conflict that drives the movie. Keanu and ko are kept to a minimum and, whenever we see them, they look evil - Neo and Trinity are a pair of slimy pervs, Morpheus comes across as a creepy televangelist, etc.

Third film - Bound together by their respective discoveries, Neo and Smith work together to uncover the real truth behind the Matrix, which is: it was the humans, not the machines, who 'scorched the sky' through runaway pollution. The machines took over to protect mankind, not destroy it, and are using the batteries to power a major terraforming event. To do this effectively, they need to have a remnant population of active humans able to till the soil and build a real-world community, which is why the rebels are tolerated and monitored. The end of the movie is: everything in the Matrix stops. Smith appears on screens, talking to people on phones, etc, and counts them out of the Matrix. The final shot is of one of the battery humans waking up and looking out at the New World, dazzling and irridescent. And then - the film stops, and the lights come on in the cinema. No end credits, no RATM, nothing.

Of course it can never be - but how would you fix up the many fuckedfilms out there? Could V for Vendetta be vindicated? Could Match Point be mended? Could, I don't know, Battle Beyond the Stars be buffed back up? You see where I'm going here - from big rewrites to tiny tweaks, how would you spin gold, precious gold, from the dross that litters the cutting room floor?
 
 
Jack Fear
21:25 / 26.03.08
Great minds think alike.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
21:57 / 26.03.08
I'll post it here;

My idea for the matrix was that people would go and see a really well reviewed crime film, or western, or standard action film, and about half way through you'd see someone dressed as an agent, then maybe smith would turn up, and by the end it was all matrix, all the time. And this would happen every five years or so.
 
 
penitentvandal
22:28 / 26.03.08
Sorry, I either forgot or was not aware of the five steps thread - if you want I can re-jig this a bit and post it there if it'll help conserve bandwidth.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:15 / 26.03.08
Well, to be fair, the other thread hasn't been posted to in nearly five years. I just thought it was funny.

Of course, even in 2003, I found it hard to believe that anybody still gave a shit aboutThe Matrix.
 
 
This Sunday
23:53 / 26.03.08
I had my students rewrite Transformers recently, and the best, for my money, shaved off a billion human ciphers to focus on the two kids, putting Mikaela in the protagonist role (since she's already established as the more competent, the one with the better backstory, slightly more sympathetic, and the one who attacks when attacked) and making Sam her Marion Ravenwood, who can be threatened, holds key piece to the plot, and who can rise to the occasion while standing aside and looking good when called to. There was also more sawing and stabbing of robots, which is useful to any film, I'd think.

As for myself, I watched Sphere again the other day, and, really, a trippy floaty colors babble love love love scene in/under the influence of the sphere, and an excision of that bit where the big ball flies off out of the ocean? That could have been a reallly nice movie. That's all it would have taken.
 
 
deja_vroom
16:58 / 27.03.08
Batman Begins:

The first 50 minutes should focus on the kid Bruce Wayne and his life with his parents, making the viewer see that a) this is not a regular child and b) there are real relations between this group of people (Thomas, Martha, Bruce Wayne and Alfred Pennyworth). These first 50 minutes would comprise Bruce's life from the age of 11 to 13. The following ideas are sketches toward presenting that picture:

- A shot of Bruce's bedroom would show a mess of: medals and trophies for his early accomplishments on track & field / gymnastics (Bruce excels at gymnastics at his ultra-posh school); maps of earth, maps of space, maps & charts (this is a curious kid); books, books, books, piled up on the floor, opened up across his desk; two computers on at all times; maybe (maybe) a beefed up version of those chemistry kits kids get.

- A scene where Bruce sneaks downstairs during a gala ball and charms his way into a couch w/ matrons & old gentlemen; he amazes the present company with some comment that's a bit advanced for his age, people laugh etc. He's formally introduced by his mother who then beckons Alfred to take him back to his bedroom. People are delighted with the young man and of course the question in everybody's lips is: "But what do you want to be when you grow up?" This is a key question in this movie, because to young Bruce Wayne, the possibilities seem limitless.

His mother says he'll be what he wants to be, as long as it's not politics. Bruce himself says he doesn't know yet. This theme resurfaces once more a bit later in the filme when Bruce is being put to bed by his father. They talk for a bit about the future, because, well, I'll let them do the talking:

THOMAS
Well if I were you I'd enjoy your time as a kid, Bruce... sooner than you think it'll all change and it's gonna be all decisions and SATs and CATs and people will expect you to have figured out what to do with yourself... I know you probably don't like to do the same thing day after day after day, but... that's life, it's what you are... Me, for instance... I rarely think of myself as Thomas Wayne anymore... do you know what I mean? I'm Doctor Thomas Wayne now. It's good to have potential, but you gotta use it or it'll spoil you.

BRUCE
Spoil me how?

THOMAS
Nevermind that, that's too depressing a talk to have before sleep.

BRUCE
It's just that I like everything so much! Maybe I could be a lot of things at the same time, like a cop who's a doctor or a scientist who makes movies...

THOMAS laughs and says:

THOMAS
You'll figure it out, son. It'll come to you.

BRUCE
Well I made one decision at least.

THOMAS
Oh yeah?

BRUCE
Yeah I think I'll have a moustache like you.

THOMAS laughs again

(etc)


- I'd also use the scene from Frank Miller's "TDK" where Bruce falls in the cave, with minor changes.

- During a walk w/ Bruce, Thomas Wayne is required to do some risky yet urgent traumatic procedure on someone, in a public space, in order to save his/her life. The point is to show Bruce's father saving a life in front of his son. Ideally there would be a contrast between the brutality of the procedure (blood in his hands etc) and the fact that it's done for a greater good (saving a life). Thomas's action has a great impact on Bruce: He's shown staring almost hipnotized at the blood in his hands (because he touched his father's sleeves or something). Later it's made clear that he had decided to become a doctor. That's when the family decides to go out for the movies.

The whole point of this setup is to help creating a sense - not of realism, but of verisimilitude: Equating the human material that made Batman with historical behemoths like Alexander the Great and Napoleon Bonaparte is the easiset way to achieve that. Those were men who brimmed with inner power and determination and shaped geography and History. What made them stand so high compared to ordinary humans was a fortuitous combination of brains, inner power, resourcefulness and resilience with wealth.

It is my not so humble opinion that the "Batman Begins" script made a disservice to the credibility of the movie by asking us to believe that that bumbling moppet that was on the screen for 5% of the movie could become Batman. In my version, Bruce Wayne would be the type of child that's truly touched by what would be called in 19th century literature a "divine spark" (with all the usual genius/madness implications, which would be really useful in a movie about a man who dresses like a bat to fight crime. Why does Batman dresses up as a bat to fight crime? A: Because he's MAD and he CAN).

This is all I thought up so far... There are some points re: Batman's relationship with Harvey Dent that I'd like to work on, too, but I guess I got bored now. Maybe later.

P.S.: Oh, and how could I forget? In my movie, Commissioner Gordon would be the "Batman: Year One" version. Not that moustachioed spaz from "...Begins".
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:59 / 27.03.08
I think 50 minutes on the young Bruce Wayne is a bit stingy. Why not make it the first film? you could call it Batboy.
 
 
deja_vroom
17:09 / 27.03.08
But - but I'm thinking of a 4 hour epic, man!
 
 
HCE
17:12 / 27.03.08
Explain to me how one charms one's way into a couch? I am baffled?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:18 / 27.03.08
You laugh at all its jokes, I guess.
 
 
deja_vroom
17:20 / 27.03.08
Actually the length of the movie is just so I can pitch it as "It's Batman meets Andrei Rublev!"

brb, don't be: He's just there in his pajamas and the adults find him and the feminine company finds him adorable and let him be around. I think you knew it, or at least could have gotten there yourself, but anyway.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:20 / 27.03.08
Eight hours of young Bruce Wayne, for six of which he is a newborn.

Thomas Wayne (to squalling newborn): Not many newborns, still bloodied from the dark cave DO YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE of the womb can scream the Brandenburg concerto's horn part, you know.

Neonate Bruce Wayne: And counterpoint!

Thomas Wayne: Just so. Whatever will you be when you grow up?

Neonate Bruce Wayne: Oh, I've given it a bit of thought. The law sounds rewarding, although to be honest I think it might just be low self-esteem that is keeping me from really trying to make a go of it with my art. What do you think, dad of mine?

Thomas: Well, son, there are plenty of poor artists out there, but if you SAVE LIVES DO YOU SEE like I do, you'll never be short of a beautiful pearl necklace to give your wife IT IS VERY IRONIC.

Bat-mite to narrate in caps.
 
 
deja_vroom
17:34 / 27.03.08
I saw what you did there, you took aspects from my idea and pushed them to their conceptual extremes so they would be laughable! You daring devil of a daredevil!

But no, really, that's kinda Barbelith in 2002... hella depressing.
 
 
Seth
18:00 / 27.03.08
I'd take it right back to the roots that inspired Batman and do a two hour documentary, the first hour focusing on bats and the second on men.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
21:11 / 27.03.08
Batman Begins: To be fair you have to totally remove that crap about a super trained secret society that fights for Justice by ...well...you know, killing a city every 300 years. Fucking genius scheme innit? Makes total sense and a modus operandi worthy of highly trained warriors and tacticians. What do they do in between servings of TEH JUSTICE? Only train people up every 260 years so as to not waste all the valuable time interim ninja generations could better spend chasing the local village women (or men or goats or ..)and getting their shit-on with World of Warcraft? Fucknose.

Perhaps this comes direct from the comics (I know not) but it's shit-awful rubbish. Aside from the unconvincing dourness of the film and Michael Caine playing Michael Caine there's certainly scope for improvement. My idea is this:

Michael Bay directs. Godzilla attacks Gotham. Batman fights godzilla and gets ass kicked. Batman returns to bat cave where Alfred (now played by Grace Jones) wires up Wayne's broken body into.....BATMECHAGODZILLA. Batmechagodzilla has comedy slapstick segment where he stands on various famous landmarks and says "oops my bad! I'll buy you a new one from ebay huh huh". Big Fight ensues between the Zilla's (God and Batmecha), Justice wins the day. 8 Cities detroyed. Justice advanced by 10 years, political correctness regressed by 15 years and the whole world develops an alarming itching of the private parts. The End.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
21:18 / 27.03.08
I am Legend:

Take the lacky, who suggested that the 20-or-so zompires be CGI creations, out to the studio backlot next to all the old Karate Kid props and shoot the imbecile so that they may never more stink up an otherwise relatively brave Hollywood blockbuster. He was probably responsible for the stereotypical South-American superstitious god-hearing lady too (so that kills two birds with one stone).

Secondly get 20 PEOPLE. shave heads, cover in a bit of pale make up, teach them to go "OOEEEERRRRRRRRRRHHHRRRGG" and point menacingly at Will Smith. Jobs a goodun.

Leave out the stuff about a message from god but keep the rest and a remarkably better film results. World celebrates.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:55 / 27.03.08
I saw what you did there, you took aspects from my idea and pushed them to their conceptual extremes so they would be laughable!

There is nothing laughable in the idea of fifty minutes of precocious young Bruce Wayne at the start of an action film. Nothing.
 
 
Mug Chum
23:17 / 27.03.08
Well then clearly you haven't seen this, this, this or this (final issue).
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:45 / 27.03.08
There is nothing laughable in the idea of fifty minutes of precocious young Bruce Wayne at the start of an action film. Nothing.

I was hoping there was going to be room in the mooted project for Thomas Wayne to talk to a budding Bruce about why he has to wear boxing gloves in bed, from now on. It'd have been a nice bit of fore-shadowing I think.

Around hour ten, the newly-fledged Batman could have said 'Pah! Boxing gloves are the weapon of the weak!', or some such.

Which isn't to say I think this long-form approach to Batman's career is misguided.

Grant Morrison feels that Bruce Wayne's life as a guy of the night could be stripped down to fifteen years, so I'd be happy enough with a Batman movie, personally, that went on for at least that long.

On a conceptual level, anyway.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:55 / 28.03.08
"I tried, father. I tried it your way. But it's time to take the gloves... off."
 
 
deja_vroom
01:41 / 28.03.08
There is nothing laughable in the idea of fifty minutes of precocious young Bruce Wayne at the start of an action film. Nothing.

Oh my God don't be so *dense*. Make it 30 minutes or 40 - or do you think I should be taken ipsis litteris when I said it would be "Batman meets Andrei Rublev", too? I said it was a *sketch*, after all. Again, this whole "point up, make cumbersome attempt at easy humor, larf" routine does get stale, you know. Instead of criticizing why don't you contribute to the "Barbelith Fixes the Movies" thread, that's what some of us here are for.

Next: I fix up "Raiders of The Lost Ark".
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
01:47 / 28.03.08
I don't think the ablative means what you think it means, Jade.

However! Onwards. Next up, I fix "Passion of the Christ", by intercutting it with scenes from Derek Jarman's classic "Sebastiane".
 
 
deja_vroom
01:49 / 28.03.08
Also: Whatever. I made my little contribution to the thread and am stepping awa-ay...
(hello, Haus. same old, same old? ^^ funny thing is that if I told you I'm someone else, it wouldn't be a lie)
 
 
Mug Chum
02:09 / 28.03.08
"Saw of the Guantanamo Cristo".

(bodyless voice of Mel G): "Saw off that hand, boy!"

(Jesus): "No Father, no! (crying) I can't!"

(bodyless voice of Mel G): "Do it, or they'll get it! Do it, you little fucker!"

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH!

(bodyless voice of Mel G): "Good. Now... nail it."

(Jesus): (gasping for air in tears) "But I won't even feel it."

(bodyless voice of Mel G): "Yes, yes true. Well I can make whatever the fuck I want, so !PLIN! now it'll hurt even if sawed off. NAIL IT! I WANT TO SEE YOU NAILING IT, BOY!!!"

(Jesus): "Father..."

(bodyless voice of Mel G): "It puts the nail on the hand!!!"
 
 
This Sunday
02:43 / 28.03.08
Bat-movies should progress like Truffaut's Antoine flicks.

The 400 Bats and Bruce and Colette and Stolen Kisses (and the Mad-Sexy Sexy-Mad Psychofetishists Who Steal Them) and so on until such time as they become unprofitable or Bane shows up.
 
 
Liger Null
22:40 / 28.03.08
Batman Begins:

The first 50 minutes should focus on the kid Bruce Wayne and his life with his parents, making the viewer see that a) this is not a regular child and b) there are real relations between this group of people (Thomas, Martha, Bruce Wayne and Alfred Pennyworth). These first 50 minutes would comprise Bruce's life from the age of 11 to 13. The following ideas are sketches toward presenting that picture:


Hell, you could just splice in the first 30 minutes of Empire of the Sun.
 
  
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