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BBC2's 'White' Season

 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:24 / 05.03.08
So I heard about this through Lenin's Tomb:

I was intrigued when watching BBC2 the other day to see a trailer involving a white man being drawn on in a variety of languages by a variety of hands to the music of Billy Bragg's version of 'Jerusalem'. My interest turned to horror as I realised it was advertising a series of programmes entitled 'White' with the tagline: 'is the white working class becoming invisible?'

Over on Dissensus, gumdrops says:

saw the advert for it last night and i found it a bit worrying. its a white guy getting his face written on in non english languages in black marker until hes written on so much that his face turns black, at which point the tagline comes up - it was something like 'has white working class identity dissapeared'.

I have not seen these adverts, and in fact don't have access to TV at the moment. From what people are saying, though, this sounds dodgy, so I thought I'd flag it up here for you to talk about.

What's frustrating is that we certainly do need more awarenss about what, exactly, is going on when people throw around the word 'chav', and why some people in poor white areas go in for the BNP (this is not to say that people in rich white areas don't often have the same or worse politics) - but what we don't need is, essentially, some issue-based drama that basically says 'black people done it', which it looks like we're going to get.

It's telling that in answering the question 'who is doing down the (white) (working class)?', the BBC, rather than responding with 'the ruling class', appear to have rather gone with 'black people' - ironic, if the issue at hand is our current discourse's silence on class.

Let's also remember that, if class has been brushed under the carpet, it's not as if we've all become any less racist.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:33 / 05.03.08
It's a documentary season isn't it? I don't think it's a drama - it's got that factual programming look about it.

And I think it's addressing an interesting issue, whatever else it's doing.

Ah, here we go. Looks like one drama and the rest is factual:

White
 
 
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14:51 / 05.03.08
Full season details from the BBC PR people:
BBC-2’s White season – a season of programmes exploring the issues facing the white working class in twenty-first century Britain.

7th March – Last Orders: Henry Singer’s observational documentary of life in Wibsey Working Men’s Club, Bradford

8th March – Rivers of Blood: Denys Blakeway’s fresh look at Enoch Powell’s infamous 1968 speech

10th March – White Girl: Abi Morgan’s new drama about a young girl’s innocent exploration of Islam

11th March – The Poles Are Coming: Tim Samuels journeys to Peterborough and Poland exploring the issues surrounding mass immigration for middle England

12th March – The Primary: A term in the life of Handworth’s Welford Primary School which celebrates the 17 cultural backgrounds of its 480 pupils

14th March – All White in Barking: Marc Isaacs meets the indigenous and immigrant populations of the London borough with some bizarre and thought-provoking outcomes.
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I've only seen Last Orders so far and it's quite interesting if more than a little unsettling. It's taken from a somewhat naive standpoint of an American film-maker (the guy who did that Falling Man doc a couple of years ago) who becomes friends with a bunch of blokes (very few women are involved) who are members of a working men's club. All very Phoenix Nights until you realise most of them are probably voting BNP and giving themselves serious liver damage.
Hard to tell what the Asian population of Bradford will make of it, and it's a risky/possibly stupid idea but, you never know, it might make Labour sit up and take note of what its abandoning of its principles is responsible for. Doubt it, though. I think giving the job to someone who understood the politics a bit better would have made more sense, as a lot of dodgy assumptions go unchallenged. Anyway, it's not yet the hell you might imagine. Not yet.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:18 / 05.03.08
It would be really, really great if we were going to get an economic and social history, which talked about Thatcherism, what that did to the country, and the change from an industrial country to a country that works in the service industry, and what effect that has - the serious structural changes that have been going on for thirty-odd years.

The thing is that immigration and the number of children in a school whose parents come from Bengal simply has sod all to do with it - an asylum seeker or an economic migrant has no serious agency whatsoever in the wider situation. In fact they're some of the least powerful people in the world.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:48 / 07.03.08
Having not watched any of the season so far, AAR, are you just objecting to it on principle? Boycotting it on principle? Are you unhappy because it focuses on the white working class and you think it should either focus on some other social group or not exist at all?

Shouldn't you watch some of the season before you make up your mind? Have you, and you're just not telling? If you have, why don't you tell us what you think of it so far? Or concentrate on what the programmes they have made actually say, rather than what you think they should say or what you think they are going to say? Seriously.

It seems odd to start a thread about a series of programmes you don't appear to intend to watch, is all.
 
 
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09:45 / 07.03.08
I don't think it's an odd thread idea. When I first heard about it and saw THAT trailer (probably the worst thing about the season, so far) my reaction was a sharp intake of breath and "Oh, crap!" Then, interestingly, my next reaction was "Hmm... this looks like a job for those chaps at Bobbylith". I probably won't have time to watch much of the rest of the season (though the Rivers of Blood thing sounds like car crash TV at its best), but even so I can imagine it sparking a fair bit of debate here. Doesn't seem to be a hit and run posting so far.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:16 / 07.03.08
I've still got quite a lot of faith in the BBC, and, while obviously it's too early to say, well, ANYTHING really, I'd be very surprised if this season DIDN'T go out of its way to be pretty fair and balanced, at least in intention.

Though calling it the "White Season" seems consciously provocative. Mind you, they DO want people to watch it, so I guess that's what you do.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:46 / 07.03.08
Cube - I don't think it's an odd idea for a thread - quite the reverse, actually as this season looks well worth discussing - just odd to start a thread about something you (apparently) don't want or intend to watch.

Stoatie - exactly - I reckon it looks pretty interesting and I'm well aware that the BBC, having been criticised in the past for being a predominantly white and middle class institution, is almost certainly going to bend over backwards to be fair and balanced. Let's hope so anyhow.

AAR reckons they should be talking about class as opposed to race, but the two are issues which are extremely commingled, plus the season does specifically focus on the working class white folks as opposed to the more privileged "ruling class".

There may be a certain amount of the "all the Council brochures are in Hindi and you can't get decent fish and chips any more" attitude expressed by the participants in some of the documentaries, but that's hardly the programme-makers' fault.

Roll on the programmes, anyway ...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:14 / 07.03.08
Haus, I'm not boycotting anything - I'd love to watch it. Of course, I can't, as I have no TV.

I know we've had, here, a lot of talking about things before they've even come out, and this is bad; and I know that judging something one hasn't seen is an example of what Conrad calls 'the human capacity for monstrous folly'. I was just expressing a hope that the programs would be good, and not full of poisonous rubbish, which seems like a fair concern, especially when the subject is so important (both re: the need to talk about class and classism, and re: the need to do this without slipping into racism).

As I said above: 'immigrants' and 'asylum seekers' and 'ethnic minorities' are doing sod all to screw up the white working class - they're being screwed over, themselves, by the same economics and the same institutions. Even to suggest that they're somehow to blame, that they have some kind of agency or design towards 'beating' the WWC (as the advertisement clearly and openly does, now that I've managed to catch it) is a bloody bad show on the part of the BBC.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:24 / 07.03.08
Haus, I'm not boycotting anything - I'd love to watch it.

It ain't me, babe.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
15:39 / 07.03.08
I'm looking foward to seeing the series, after seeing the newsnight review last week - mixed bag of reviews, some positive (Kerry Shale, a canadian Actor, loved the drama White Girl, and thought Last Orders was well done) others negative (Time's Art journalist Rachel Campbell-Johnston thought Last Orders was ham fisted, Sarfraz Manzoor thought the same about White Girl), but no comments about them having a racist agenda, though Last Order's was slated as it didn't question some of the participants views about race.

Having watched and enjoyed the documentary season Abolition, particularly the programme Moral Maze and Kwame Kwei Armah's programme about Roots, I hope this series is as well made, and thought provoking. Also, I liked the trailer for the series, mainly because it was so shocking - if anything I thought they did it because they want it to be a provacative series, or at least thought by those who won't watch it as such.

AAR, if you haven't got a TV it'll be on BBC iPlayer.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
15:41 / 07.03.08
Also;

saw the advert for it last night and i found it a bit worrying. its a white guy getting his face written on in non english languages in black marker until hes written on so much that his face turns black, at which point the tagline comes up - it was something like 'has white working class identity dissapeared'.

The background behind the guys face is black, so that when he's been written his face "disapears".
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
17:19 / 08.03.08
Sky+ last night's Last Orders, or what it should have been called "I'm not Racist but..." Was all a bit meh - the film maker decided against analysing, or challenging the beliefs of his subjects, he just let them spout about race; summed up by a commitee members talk of lack of fairness - how the immigrants get more then the white locals. How difficult would it have been to compare his life with a local asian working class family? Maybe they could have learnt something.

The film maker was obsessed with the phrase "sons following fathers, even grandfathers." If they wern't following them into the mills they were following them into the club. Maybe the repetitive nature of the piece was deliberate rather then lazy; probably wasn't.

There was a wonderful moment when one of the commitee reminised about when he was an immigrant in Germany. The fella loved to wax lyrical, a lovely old romantic, weeping for Germany. Then he got mordilin and started singing.

Labour got a rough ride; the BNP got a look in. Nothing was examined. In the end it all boiled down to old men wishing to be happy again. I guess I was supposed to feel sad for the poor old men in there club, but it was dificult to care. It was like being corned at a wedding by a drunk uncle, without the ability to respond.
 
 
woodenforest
19:49 / 12.03.08
I couldn't help think that the whiteness of the people in "Last orders" was by the end only a small part of the programme.

To me it was a study of an ageing, economically disadvantaged group who felt marginalised and left behind. I am sure this is a phenomenen felt by such groups, whatever their ethnic/racial root, across English speaking developed countries (and probably beyond).

The sense of decline, nostalgia and dismay at the younger generations reluctance to embrace their culture hit me as the overwhelming theme. Whiteness? Important, but not critical.

It was like being corned at a wedding by a drunk uncle, without the ability to respond.

It certainly was, but I found the whole programme quite moving.


The "Rivers of blood" programme was I thought very interesting. I was sent a fairly damning analysis of this, found on the "100 Black Men of London" blog. (It is a blog?)

The general tone was that it was irresponsible to have brought up the speech and to have made the case for some aspects of it having being bourne out. Reference was made to the spurt in attacks on non white people in the months that followed the original delivery.

I felt that whilst the programme had offered acceptance of some of Powell's key points (e.g. segregration), it was pretty dismissive of his motives, language and lack of judgement.

It was interesting to see the BBC commission a programme like this and allow some degree of editorial opinion within its narration.

It taught me a lot and left me also with the feeling that Powell himself was a political oddball..."something of the night about him"
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
22:15 / 12.03.08
I watched it for maybe five minutes, before it decided to through out something like; "...but the liberals went the opposite way to Powell, somthing called multiculturlism" and then 1 second later showed a riot with a molotov cocktail exploding and policemen on fire. At that point, wondered what it was all about. Thought maybe it might be a little bit biased.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:08 / 13.03.08
This sounds like the thing where one acts as if both 'sides' (of Enoch Powell vs humanity) have a 'point', because both sides must have a point, you know, otherwise it's not fair.
 
 
Brigade du jour
04:34 / 23.03.08
Watched 'All White In Barking'. BNP Recruiter Man Who Moved To Canvey aside, the programme would still have been really offensive, I think. The unseen interviewer just seemed to spend the whole time prodding people and saying "Go on, say something racist!" so there didn't seem to be much in the way of actual sociological insight.

On the other hand, the relationship between the elderly Holocaust survivor (sorry about forgetting everyone's names, by the way ...) and his nurse/special friend was, at least, portrayed sensitively. Or maybe it was just that the two of them couldn't be easily encouraged to portray themselves as either bigoted or at least cartoonish. It was a minor miracle they made the final cut, really.
 
 
woodenforest
23:01 / 23.03.08
The BNP chap was indeed incredibly cartoon like. I have noticed the BNP making big efforts to present a more considered face in recent years; they must have been cheesed off with this man as a representative.

Whilst not enjoying his ranting i did feel he had been stiched up with the final shot of him on a truly depressing bit of coastline, eating a limp sausage & chips combo and snarling at the grey sea.

I enjoyed the Rivers of blood prog and the working man's club prog, but felt the whole season did not offer the white working class in a great light.

Everything felt so defined by race and immigration. Whilst of course big issues the season could surely have expanded into other arenas.
 
  
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