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Books on management?

 
 
Ganesh
13:48 / 10.10.01
In my new job, I'm expected to learn a little about the management aspect of being a consultant psychiatrist. This is my current consultant's hobby-horse, and he's recommended some series called the 'One Minute Manager' (or something). He's really rather inspirational, and actually manages to make me want to read up on something I've always considered impenetrably dull.

Anyone got other recommendations?
 
 
Ariadne
21:03 / 10.10.01
I have been the victim of someone trying to One Minute Manage me - please don't do it! At least, don't take it too seriously.

I don't know any particular books that are useful - I'd say just go to a biggish shop and browse to find one that suits yours personality. You're not going to turn into someone else (I hope) just 'cause you're a manager so it has to click with you.

And read Dilbert just to keep a sense of perspective.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
11:38 / 11.10.01
The One Minute Manager comes up in a thread and people worry about being too straight for the 'lith?



What about that "who moved my cheese" or something?

Actually there's really no reason for me to be posting to this, as I've never read a management book in my life. So I'll stop now.
 
 
No star here laces
12:08 / 11.10.01
Popbitch says "Who moved my cheese" is the only book in Lenny Kravitz's house...
 
 
tracypanzer
12:09 / 11.10.01
'The Prince', Niccolo Machiavelli
 
 
Fist Fun
06:47 / 12.10.01
Ok I second the other comment. Don't do it. At all. Ever. You will be part of the problem. Dilbert is part of the answer.
 
 
belbin
07:23 / 18.10.01
Erm, to prevent this disappearing into "management=fascism" black hole, management books tend to fall into 2 categories:

1. Rather dry academic/professional-style texts.

2. The cheerleading American-style stuff.
Incl: One Minute Manager, Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, anything by Tom Peters.

Some material falls between the two - e.g. Peter Drucker, Charles Handy.

This stuff is not necessarily bad. A lot of type 2. books rely heavily on anecdote and tend to bash their readers over the head BUT if you apply some critical perspective and relate it to your own personal experience it does have value. Some of it can even be quite challenging.

Ariadne seems to have been the victim of someone who's swallowed these books whole - never good.

I'd probably recommend a couple of the more popular shelf-fillers (one minute, 7 habits, etc) amd some Handy for the more visionary stuff.
 
 
MJ-12
12:51 / 18.10.01
I know someone who was trying to use the 'One Minute Manager', but kept substituting the phrase "One Minute Reprisals" for "One Minute Reprimands". I kept getting images of blowing a deadline and having spend sixty seconds bashing my car with a hammer.
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:01 / 18.10.01
“Make It So”.

It’s a business leadership book based on Star Trek : TNG, using (unsurprisingly) Picard as the central focus.

I’m not making this up, I promise you.

DBC
 
 
Persephone
14:09 / 18.10.01
quote:Originally posted by belbin:
BUT if you apply some critical perspective and relate it to your own personal experience it does have value. Some of it can even be quite challenging.


Definitely ditto. I found Seven Habits to be incredibly poorly argued, but still to contain what Mrs. Wilcox called "an inward light." You know how Plato says there's an Idea of something and then there are the representations of the idea, which aren't perfect but allow us to grasp the idea? Sort of like that.
 
 
Margin Walker
23:09 / 18.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Aaron:
'The Prince', Niccolo Machiavelli


Hell yeah! Actually, 'nesh, I was gonna start a thread on this, but with the intention of finding more "classical" types of management. Stuff like "The Prince", The "Tao Te Ching", "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do", The "Hagakure", "The Art of War". Y'know, tried & true wisdom from throughout the ages that can be applied both on the battlefield & off. Anybody got any suggestions other than the tomes I listed?
 
 
Clavis
03:47 / 19.10.01
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John Clavis
 
 
Clavis
03:49 / 19.10.01
(By the way, I'm "Dr. Victor August.")

JC
 
 
Mourne Kransky
13:31 / 20.10.01
Ganesh,
having an inspirational mentor, such as you
describe, will probably be far more useful
to you in learning management techniques
than reading about it anyway.

I've read a lot of that stuff for work and
I'm with DaveBCooper - watch Star Trek, all
the classic management /leadership theory is
exemplified there.

it has been interesting to read recent
articles which look at how terrorist
organisations are structured and managed
as examples of fashionable "Holographic"
& "Spaghetti" organisational theory.

can't see bin Laden reading the One Minute
Manager in his cave tho. or perhaps he has
just been watching Trek too, learning from
the Borg.

these guys have a very humanistic approach to leadership, which you might find useful:
Kouzes and Posner
 
 
w1rebaby
17:35 / 20.10.01
I think the fact that there are so many books out there based on star trek or god or "effective people" means that nobody actually has a fucking clue what constitutes the skills required for good management. This is something that I'm sure we've all experienced.

For an essential skill, management is something that seems very poorly studied and understood. It's seen as something you should just be able to "pick up", and, more importantly, it's the only way to advance in most organisations, so people who are actually not particularly good at it attempt to go that route.

One thing good management isn't the same as, is being good at internal politics - which is the skill you need to get promotion. This ensures that most managers are not the best people to get there. Would you hire somebody as a programmer because they were good at tiddlywinks?

The world needs ways for people to advance in their chosen fields, no matter what they are, if they are good at them, without assuming that management will "come naturally" to them. It's like being a parent - just because you've had experience from the other end, doesn't mean you'll know how to do the job.

I'm sure you'll be an excellent manager, though, Ganesh.

(Of course, my current manager is great, mm-hmm. Actually, she is pretty good, but I've met many bad ones in my time.)
 
 
Fist Fun
19:28 / 20.10.01
quote:I think the fact that there are so many books out there based on star trek or god or "effective people" means that nobody actually has a fucking clue what constitutes the skills required for good management. This is something that I'm sure we've all experienced.

I don't think that is true. I can't say that I have ever read a management book but I know that the skills required are fairly obvious. That isn't to say they are easy to acquire or unconflicting.
 
 
Ganesh
20:49 / 20.10.01
I do appreciate people taking this thread seriously; I actually do want to learn more about this. It's always argued that doctors, as they become more senior, are automatically forced into a managerial role, as they have to chair large meetings and manage teams of people.

I'm not a bad manager where listening to people is concerned, and I can usually reach the 'best decision' given time. What I'm not good at is the 'bad cop' stuff, being mildly dictatorial, making an efficient decision in a short space of time.

I'm sure that, no matter how many management texts I read, I'll never change my basic (eager-to-please) personality. I'm hoping, though, that I can diversify a little, be a little more flexible, develop different skills. Be a little better at being a bastard...
 
 
DaveBCooper
20:52 / 20.10.01
Just in case anyone didn't believe me : http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671520989/qid=1003618095/sr=1-1/ref=sr_sp_re/202-8282169-2519812

Anyway, that aside, it was an okay book - if nothing else, it seems to stress a degree of humanity and the like in management, and whenever I've been in charge of other people, I've invariably found that it's that, not some head-down sprint towards greater profit or efficiency, that makes the difference.

Inevitably, there are going to be differing viewpoints (and thus books) on this sort of thing - I say 'inevitably' because even if you're in a similar position to anyone else, the people you'll be working with will be different.

DBC
 
 
grant
13:38 / 24.10.01
The Book of Five Rings.

Very big during the Japano-culture boom in the mid 80s.
 
 
Persephone
13:53 / 24.10.01
I feel it's a myth that you have to be a bastard to be a good manager... though my feeling so doesn't make it so --hey, get it?
Though I am thinking that Ganesh of all people is not going to study Star Trek for anything...

I think you would like Seven Habits... especially his paradigms of Win-Lose, Lose-Win, and <everyone's eyes roll now> Win-Win. It was shocking to identify myself as Lose-Win, but also a real turning point for me.

You just have to filter out, as you are reading, what a nightmare it would be to be this guy's kid.
 
 
belbin
16:15 / 26.10.01
Ganesh> what you're describing sounds like the classic assertive/aggressive confusion. being tough with people is not necessarily about being a bastard (or tho it can make you feel like one).

i have a fairly passive/'eager to please' personality, but if i think someone is pissing me about at work then i make clear to them what the consequences of their actions will be.

not "you are shit" but "your are doing shit things and causing problems for others".

on the subject of bastards: http://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/archiveitem.asp?id=921

bastards often do very well for themselves in organsiations for all kinds of reasons - but they are not always the highest performing managers. and there are better ways of doing things.

Oh yes, 'Art of War'. Absolute classic.
 
  
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