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The artist's artists retreat....

 
 
Smash Gladly
15:16 / 14.02.08
A writer buddy and I (who *do* get our work done) were commiserating about aspiring artists in our lives who hate themselves because they *don't* get their work done.

Pitiable. Understandable. Unacceptable. We hit upon the idea of wiping their discs and installing some good habits with a bit of an ad hoc artists retreat. A long weekend at first - it'd be cool to do a week.

Up at 7:30. Hour of exercise then breakfast and seclusion. Go into a room and work. No mine-sweeper. No porno breaks. Perhaps no Internet. Pure output - perhaps a word count requirement based on that artist's mileau. Essay, shorts, novel, comics. Don't get stuck - produce too much and cut away if you must. No interruptions except food and the irregular "inspiration" where an envelope is slid under the door containing some task, notion, question or other surreal material. Stop at a certain time and spend the evening together in jubilant relaxation because for once you've earned your rest.

When should you get up?
How to handle Internet. Invaluable resource. Time vampire.
Drinking and drugs or none permitted?
Should there be a mandatory bedtime?
Should the artists share their work at the end of the day?
What would you do? What would you do different?
What kind of cool things would enrich the experience?
Do we read aloud from the War of Art like it was scripture?
What works best for you? How do you amplify your art?

SO - my question is what's the best, truest, freakiest and most effective way to do this?

Eager to hear your ideas,
Smash
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:11 / 14.02.08
What a very interesting proposal ... although I should point out that if your procrastinating artist friends only had the resourcefulness and daring to commit a fairly serious crime, they could have all the creation time they wanted at Her Majesty's Pleasure, which would seem to be a situation not dissimilar from what you're suggesting.

The problem with some artists being that they lack the discipline which is externally imposed on most people by having to be at work at 9, stay there until 5 and look busy in between. Apparently Douglas Adams used to have to be locked in his hotel room before he'd write anything, so bad was he at finishing his novels.

Here's my thoughts on you plan so far, if they're any use: merely my own response, don't take as gospel etc.

Up at 7:30.
Ow! No. Let them get up late (say lunchtime) and stay up late, working long into the night ...

Hour of exercise then breakfast and seclusion.
Hour of coffee, don't you mean? Exercise should be strictly optional. I don't see the connection between knackering yourself on a three mile run and immediately painting a picture/writing a sonnet etc.

Go into a room and work. No mine-sweeper. No porno breaks. Perhaps no Internet.
Now we're getting somewhere. You don't need all the early-bird and jogging nonsense to make people create. You just lock them in a room with no other stimulus and the tools of their trade.
ABSOLUTELY no internet. Don't let them claim "research". If they must, must have a certain piece of infomation the warders - sorry, facilitators, can go and look it up online for them. Otherwise, they'll just have to deal.

Pure output - perhaps a word count requirement based on that artist's mileau. Essay, shorts, novel, comics. Don't get stuck - produce too much and cut away if you must.
This sounds great.

No interruptions except food
Totally - but I would add cigarette and coffee breaks where required, possibly supervised so that they don't escape to the nearest pub/arcade.

and the irregular "inspiration" where an envelope is slid under the door containing some task, notion, question or other surreal material.
Please don't do this, it sounds really lame. If they've got a project they're working on they shouldn't need this kind of "inspiration" - it would probably end up being more of a useless distraction than anything else. (No offence intended, just my humble opinion, you understand).

Stop at a certain time and spend the evening together in jubilant relaxation because for once you've earned your rest.
Perfect! Make that time quite late though, so that slow starters will have got something done and you don't interrupt their flow by calling a halt at 6pm precisely.

When should you get up?
Lunchtime. 11am at a push.

How to handle Internet.
Access only in info emergencies as above, or when you've finished for the day.

Drinking and drugs?
Both - but only when you're done for the day.

Should there be a mandatory bedtime?
Please. It's not boarding school. What if your artists want to work through the night? You going to make them do it under the bedclothes by the light of a torch?

Should the artists share their work at the end of the day?
Only if they want to, and, more importantly, if others want to hear. Perhaps set up a group or set aside an hour for this purpose - voluntary, but strongly encouraged.

What would you do? What would you do different?
See above.

What kind of cool things would enrich the experience?
Drink, drugs, interesting conversation and sexual tension. These basic things are what inspire most people, not surreal envelopes under the door.

Do we read aloud from the War of Art like it was scripture?
What's the War of Art?

What works best for you?
A room of my own and no internet. And a permanent, pervasive sense of guilt if I don't get anything done for more than a fortnight.

Good luck with this, it sounds like a fine plan, and I'll be interested to see what other people's views on it are. Let us know how you get on, too.
 
 
Smash Gladly
17:42 / 14.02.08
Dig THIS priestess - my ward quit her fulltime job to freelance so she'd have time to write. Now she blogs about how she's not writing. My friend's charge is an honest to God trophy husband who *does not work* and sits around his enormous apartment with his enormous dogs and hates himself!
I set the alarm two hours earlier every day so I can get my time in and I'm looking forward to brutalizing them both.

I think I'll adopt your group policy - and possibly your exercise policy.

Wake-times: not convinced. If you loosen the strictures to that degree - what comes next? Bathroom breaks without permission? Bedtimes: coming around to you.

...and the envelopes: I'm keeping them and you're welcome to your disapproval. Perhaps calling them "inspirational" was giving you the wrong impression of my very high standards for strange and my utter dedication to vivid experience.

Drink/drug: check. Sexual tension - this group is too long intermingled. Think the Russian royal family - of Dalmations.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:10 / 15.02.08
Aha, it's a specific set of people not a general policy you're after ... Sounds interesting, sort of a boot camp vibe with you as the Drill Instructor. Are the recruits all definitely up for it, do you know?
 
 
Spaniel
09:33 / 15.02.08
Thinking in terms of a broad policy, as apposed to specific strictures targetting a specific group, I'm in agreement with most of Whiskey's recommendations, although I would be inclined not to lean towards a late rising policy. Different people work best at different times. I, for example, am at my thinkiest and most productive between the hours of eight and eleven in the morning (a real arse as that's when all my processes are slaved to my actual job). If people are to be able to take advantage of their best hours, then they'll need to have space carved into the day to suit them. Also, it's worth bearing mind that many people have no idea when their best hours are* - it might well take a retreat to answer the question for them.

As for letters under the door, that might work with a narrowly defined group, but anyone who has their own project shouldn't need that kind of guidance, unless of course we're speaking about general sagely advice, which could work but would have to be well thought out and suitably broad. Having worked with Eno's Oblique Strategy Cards I know just how irrelevant and/or downright irritating random advice can be.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:57 / 15.02.08
Ah, you are one of the lucky lucky larks who never have a problem getting out of bed ...

Of course Boboss is right - I was solipsistically assuming that most people work the same way as I do. I'm an owl i.e. useless in the morning, raring to go at night.
 
 
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14:40 / 15.02.08
This is probably not useful to you, but it feels a bit like a BDSM scenario waiting to happen. If there are any in-group sexual tensions or people who have tendencies in that direction you might want to talk about it or head it off at the pass (or not, depending).
 
 
Smash Gladly
15:51 / 15.02.08
This initial weekend with knowns would be the testbed to refine the process for what could become a week-long recurring thing for all comers.

Priestess: I have plenty of trouble getting out of bed - my "ramp up" chemical regimen helps me greatly. Of course it requires a counter-balancing "ramp down" cocktail to put me back to bed...

Boboss: The Eno cards - exactly. I'm surprised that I'm still not getting any love on this. I'm looking to pique that old unconscious generator of all art. If passages on cards don't work - can you recommend any alternatives for producing compelling surreal experiences?
 
 
Haloquin
16:48 / 17.02.08
Hurm.

I like the idea of inspirational pieces... but I think they might need to be tailored to the people, are they all writers? Does every individual respond well to written passages or are pics helpful? I'd quite enjoy having an envelope at the beginning of the day to sift through with pictures, passages, titles... and then to be allowed to ignore it.


Also...

If you locked me in a room I wouldn't get creative, I'd get restless, claustrophobic, and angsty. Not good for my brain. I don't know how many people are like that (I suspect quite a few) but I need space to get up, leave the room, think on the toilet, get some fresh air/coffee/fruit juice... etc. It sounds like procrastination, but I need room to breathe to create... limits on what can be done (like no internet, or comics) is a good idea. But scheduled toilet/coffee breaks? I'd say, keep the kettle boiling and the doors and windows open. Let people who want locked doors lock their own.

Unless you're doing group work scheduled maintenance breaks are not necessary.

And make sure everyone can have music if they want it. Headphones if necessary.

I work well in my room, where I can get to any materials I want to use and can alternate between writing, reading/researching and drawing. The internet is a distraction but I do use it for reference, so being allowed to use a computer in the facilitator's room would, for me, keep the use to research, although someone looking things up for me would not be as useful.

I'd probably posit an outdoor space as being essential if there is good weather. Keep it for creation, and have the smokers smoke somewhere else (unless everyone is fine with smoke or smokes themselves).

So, yeah, good luck with this!
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:09 / 18.02.08
Hang on ... so the smokers would have to smoke indoors, you mean? Or somewhere else outdoors?

Good point about supervised (and time-limited) use of the internet in the facilitator's room, rather than people researching for you - they never get it quite right.

Music is another extremely important question. You'd need good soundproofing in the rooms/cells, especially if any of your artists are musicians, or like to play their music loud while they work.
 
 
Haloquin
14:43 / 18.02.08
I meant smoking somewhere else outside... inside works too, as long as it is seperate and well-ventilated if there are non-smokers around. (If no-one cares then its not a problem.)

I was thinking along the lines of having somewhere outside available for creating, as opposed to and seperate from the space for break-time, so breaks can happen in a different place to art. If there has to be an outside smoking area, then this would be best (IMO, of course) seperated from where people are working.

If its a gorgeous day some people might work best outside, even if other people are working in the same area... but if people are having a break there it can get distracting, especially with something pervasive like smoking.

This is, of course, subject to space being available!
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:53 / 07.03.08
How's this going, Smash?
 
  
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