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Better than Will Self

 
  

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HCE
23:14 / 09.07.05
Trying to think what distinguishes great writing from merely very competent and enjoyable writing. What has Cooper got or what does he do that makes him great where Self is only good? Well, I think that's been covered in the Cooper thread, actually. Anyway, I'll chip in another vote for Cooper, and also nominate ... wait, Acker's dead, so's Kosinski. The writer has to still be alive, is that right? I'm always trying to get people to read Lydia Davis.

Why she's not revered: I simply think she's not very well known. She's not got a load of books out, and is apparently deeply neurotic, a power-intellectual rather than an engaging audience-charmer: not exactly a publicist's wet dream. This may change, however, as her recent translation of Proust is making some waves.

Why she should be: Very much unlike the sappy, indulgent, not only masturbatory but tediously self-congratulatorily masturbatory Eggers school, Davis is cool, detached, sharp-eyed, methodical, precise. She observes the machinations between people and is content to limit herself to reporting them to the reader, who she is willing to credit with a little intelligence. It is refreshing to be allowed to draw your own conclusions, rather than having the writer's conclusions hammered into your face, like you care. Such restraint is a rare and precious thing.
 
 
astrojax69
23:06 / 11.07.05
thomas pynchon. or were we just supposed to cite english (as in, from england) writers?

i think self is merely a clever writer. no real meat to the art of writing from him. how many books does self sell? guess it must be a lot...

pynchon sells well, but i suspect not in self's range? pynchon is a great writer, whose prose is littered with beauty, wit, poetry, urbanity and voice. the opening paragraphs of 'gravity's rainbow' are some of the best writing i know. read it aloud some time; you'll see.

and his range is extraordinary. 'mason and dixon' is written as though samuel johnson himself penned it, while 'V' and other books are black, modern and filled with erudition smeared in excrement and life. wish i could write like that.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
22:23 / 13.07.05
Someone I think is almost certainly better than Self (although he's not as obscure as other recommendations for which, thanks, wishlisted) is David Mitchell. In fact I'd put him above our favourite punchbag almost solely on his integration of videogames and videogame thinking into his work (particularly number9dream) which is long overdue in 'serious' writing. You people are probably going to come out of the woodwork and show me a million better treatments of the subvject and make me feel a bit silly but the fat ignoring given to gaming is somewhat startling given its ever increasing prevelence in the culture as a whole. I mean, I don't even know of a scare story 'young adults' book about someone being kidnapped by someone she met in an MMO for eg.

In terms of the work itself I think that his earlier stuff is better, partly becuase it's less ambitious and fulfills more of that limited ambition and I do love me a bit of overall coherent effect but even then he's always experimenting and playing with story structure and symbol and that always makes me hard, in literary terms. But at the same time as all that formalism he's always accessible. There's a decent plot going and he drives the reader through, not in a workmanlike but more a 19th century fashion (apart from the opening and closing sections in Cloud Atlas which I found a bit of a chore tbh and I *like* Defoe). I'm also intiruged by his engagement with 'the Orient', it seems a very 70s and 80s concern from here; in the 90s and early 2000's Europe seemed to step up as the threat/partner lover/enemy du jour. Might have something to do with the videogames thing I suspect.

Either way, top writer and another who can write sci-fi without calling it that and be enormously critically successful. Hurrah!
 
  

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