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Ashes to Ashes

 
  

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Gypsy Lantern
14:42 / 08.02.08
I also put the dream with Molly and Zippy, and the appearance of the clown from the Bowie video, down to being her mind constructing something similar to what happened in Sam's account that she had studied. They were her version of the girl and clown out of the test card, but skewed and fragmented and not really making sense. The similarity between these scenes and Sam's test card girl seemed to tie into Alex trying to find a radio in other scenes. She was aware of how Sam communicated with the future, and at one point was actually staring at the telly waiting for something to happen. She didn't get the test card girl (although I'm fairly sure she was still very much about in 1981) but her brain supplied something vaguely similar cribbed from various other sources instead. I quite liked the clown, cos I thought it wasn't just a reference to the Bowie video, but to the general ubiquity of those creepy bloody Periot things in the 80s.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:46 / 08.02.08
Oooh! I know why I thought it was Gene's flat (was it? still not sure) - the wardrobe was filled with men's clothes. (Hence Alex's "sexy" next day button-down and red miniskirt combo ... sigh).

Oh for goodness' sake. I'm going to have to go back and watch it on catch up TV now. Look what you've done!

Oh, and for reference - because I'm afraid I've never heard the song or seen the video, (and thus didn't make the "I'm happy" refrain/scary clown connection) and because the writers' literal-mindedness means that it will no doubt come in handy over future weeks ...

David Bowie - Ashes To Ashes Lyrics

Do you remember a guy that's been
In such an early song
I've heard a rumour from Ground Control
Oh no, don't say it's true

They got a message
from the Action Man
"I'm happy, hope you're happy too
I've loved
all I've needed to love
Sordid details following"

The shrieking of nothing is killing
Just pictures of Jap girls
in synthesis and I
Ain't got no money and I ain't got no hair
But I'm hoping to kick but the planet it's glowing

[CHORUS]
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know Major Tom's a junkie
Strung out in heaven's high
Hitting an all-time low

Time and again I tell myself
I'll stay clean tonight
But the little green wheels are following me
Oh no, not again
I'm stuck with a valuable friend
"I'm happy, hope you're happy too"
One flash of light
but no smoking pistol

I never done good things
I never done bad things
I never did anything out of the blue,
Want an axe to break the ice
Wanna come down right now

[CHORUS]

My mother said
to get things done
You'd better not mess
with Major Tom

Hmm. It appears to be mostly nonsense, and about drugs - so the cocaine ring in Ep 1's a connection, at least. I just don't understand why on earth people decided that the sequel to "Life on Mars" the series had to be named after the sequel to "Life on Mars", the song, when this gimmick seems to have created more problems/awkwardness than it's solved?

All I'm saying is that there must be some absolutely rabid, possibly somewhat Asperger's, Bowie fans working on this show.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:00 / 08.02.08
As far as I've always understood it, "Ashes to Ashes" the song is a sad, washed-out, brain-blown sequel to "Space Oddity", revisiting Major Tom (the guy that's been in that early song).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:05 / 08.02.08
See also "Coming Home (Major Tom)" by Peter Schilling.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:15 / 08.02.08
Bowie's "Hallo Spaceboy" is as close as you get to a sequel, in turn, to "Ashes to Ashes": the PSB remix, at least, namechecks Major Tom again. I've seen two references so far (jokingly I think) suggesting that the third Gene Hunt series will be called "Hallo Spaceboy".

Having scouted about, I think the consensus, and it's plausible to me, is that "Ashes to Ashes" suggests Major Tom never even went into space, but was simply tripping; it's a bleak revisiting of "Space Oddity", which was I think Bowie's first big hit and is comparatively upbeat and optimistic compared to "Ashes to Ashes".

Though, on the other hand, the most optimistic interpretation of "Space Oddity" is that a man is stranded in space sending out last messages to his loved ones; and "Ashes to Ashes" was also, surprisingly, a big commercial hit.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
15:44 / 08.02.08
D'oh - sorry.

"Is there life on Mars?" is the refrain.

"Space Oddity" is the song.

If only everyone would name songs after the best known line of the chorus the world would be so much simpler.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:52 / 08.02.08
"Is there life on Mars?" is the chorus of the song "Life on Mars", about how basically awful life in the UK is. "Space Oddity" is a totally different song, released in 1969, about a spaceman called Major Tom.

As such, there is no need for "Hello Spaceboy" to be the next one, because the songs don't have to be about Major Tom - they just have to be Bowie songs. So, logically, the next series will involve Sam Tyler's (born in the Geneverse) son coping with living up to his legendary father's reputation, will be set in the early 90s, everyone will look like the last season of Beverley Hills 90210 but live in Colchester and it will be called "Jump, They Say".
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:55 / 08.02.08
Even more pedantico-logically, the next series will be based in 1989, because there's only an 8 year gap between Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes. Anyone else looking forward to Gene Hunt in "Tin Machine"?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:59 / 08.02.08
Actually I have it on good authority the next series is a prequel to Life On Mars set in 1967. Here's a snippet of the script.

EXT.HIGH STREET.NIGHT
STEVEN, still somewhat disoriented, is walking down the high street. He hears footsteps behind him. He turns to see a LITTLE OLD MAN in scarlet and grey.

LITTLE OLD MAN
-Chuckles-
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:21 / 08.02.08
"Look at you, Hunt! After that accident where they transplanted your brain into a tin robot, you haven't solved a case! You're washed up!"

"Oh, washed-up am I? Well, I tell you, son. I'd rather be a Tin Machine than a bent bloody copper any day. Take him to the cells and kick the shit out of him!"
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:27 / 08.02.08
"Is there life on Mars?" is the chorus of the song "Life on Mars", about how basically awful life in the UK is. "Space Oddity" is a totally different song, released in 1969, about a spaceman called Major Tom.

Oh God. I'm sorry. This must be absolutely killing you.

They do sound quite similar though.
 
 
Feverfew
19:57 / 08.02.08
I get the feeling that I enjoyed this precisely because I wanted to enjoy this - in that my desire made me willing to forgive or overlook a lot of the details.

Although I agree with a lot of what's been said here so far, I would say that there are two mitigating concepts here;

I) That Life on Mars was a very difficult, if not impossible, act to follow, at least effectively. The very act of following causes causality problems with the concept itself; in that we're now presented with two divergent Sam Tylers, the one who returned to 2007 and recorded his memories for Drake to find, and the one who remained in 1973 but died in - I believe - 1980.

That both existed would seem to add a new layer to the original paradox, although obviously the show doesn't want to become mired in causality and temporal paradoxes.

II) That the first episode was designed to grab the attention of the people who've had to put up with their friends banging on about how good Mars was and finally decided to watch this to see what all the fuss was about.

Largely, the first episode seems to have been designed as a pure attention-grabber and, as people have been saying, suffers for it. The creepy opening villain, the premeditated act of violence - as opposed to Sam's seemingly random car accident - the fact that Gene Hunt realises that his concept of hard-knocks policing (an oversimplification, I realise) is rapidly dating and being replaced - all designed to capture both the old audience and a potential new audience, but in trying to serve two masters winds up serving neither.

Re: The Skirt - Keeley Hawes noted on Johnathan Ross's radio show last Saturday that it wound her up that she was kept in it for so long, and she was beginning to wonder abou the director's proclivities. It was kept on-screen for a bizarrely long time yes.

Re: Zippy and Bungle - it was a nice attempt at something new and interesting, but it fell a little short of the intended effect - although I'm not precisely sure what that intended effect was.

The 80's Action Television lens was presented in such a totally overwhelming fashion that it rendered some scenes nonsensical - I like the idea of an A-Team reference in that everyone's discharging semi-automatics all over the place but only one person seems to get hit, in the foot, even when it's Gene Hunt with the Gun - but then you have the Bad Guy with the armfuls of cocaine running away, and it all gets a bit silly and ott.

I did like Chris's moment, though, in that it was a very well-done way of showing that in the time period since we've last seen him he's changed from simply being the nervous, new, voice-of-caution to someone willing to show their teeth a little.

So, basically, I liked it. I liked the way that Gene, once the Sherriff, now has a boss who he has to justify his subordinates' conduct on the phone to. I like that Gene also keeps press clippings about Sam Tyler in his office, along with the James Bond posters to replace the Westerns. I also like the fact that Drake has a much clearer definition to her quest; she has to get back to her daughter (even though paperwork and reports are more important that being with her on her birthday post-hostage situation) - whereas Sam was always just trying to return because he felt he should, Alex has a drive, a true need.

I have a lot of hope for Ashes, basically. Probably false, probably in vain, but I'll maintain it, nonetheless, until it's savagely beaten and left in the gutter, in the rain, to the sound of Ghost Town.

Lastly; my personal theory is that these people are being actively drawn to Gene Hunt for a reason. Sam was drawn to him to act as his conscience, and to try to mollify his methods into a more modern manner. Without Sam, Gene was slipping for a year, and so decided to transfer to London, whereby, lo and behold, he's given (or asked for) a new, smart, female DI to help him make the transition through the dark days to come. Gene Hunt needs other people around him to temper his impulses; Ray acts as an id, all urge and no social grace. Chris is the counterpoint to this, all hesitation and without the overt desire to police by violence. But without someone else, Gene can't evolve into something new that will survive whatever's coming next...

Anyway, enough rambling for tonight...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:34 / 08.02.08
Next week promises a proper title sequence and, I think, a "Blitz Club" (post-punk/new romance) scene, so there are a couple of points in its favour.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:07 / 09.02.08
With regard to Sam's death in 1980, it's probably worthy of note that Ray specifically mentioned that after they dragged the car out of the water, Sam's body wasn't in it, and has never been found.

So it seems that, for whatever reason (i.e. a special guest appearance by John Simm approximately half to 3/4 of the way through the series, I reckon), the writers want to leave Sam's "death" in the new 1981 "reality" somewhat ambiguous ...
 
 
sleazenation
15:14 / 09.02.08
I do love Bz prequel idea - Laughing Gnome anyone?
 
 
sleazenation
15:30 / 09.02.08
And special props to Haus managing to put in a reference to that tragically never commissioned joke pitch from Lee and Herring...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:40 / 09.02.08
They are robots. It is in the future.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:48 / 09.02.08
Maybe there'll be a fourth series set in the future ~ the year 2000. Binary solo!
 
 
Paralis
00:26 / 11.02.08
I liked it. I'd only seen LoM for the first time this weekend (and, as I was ill, took the chance to watch it in its entirety), so the way its premise fixes the ending of LoM is a little jarring. Continuity-wise, I guess what it makes me wonder most is: how much of LoM ended up on Sam's interview tapes? What knowledge is Drake armed with? As much as I'd like to pretend the finale of the first season of Life on Mars never happened, the coincidence of Tyler being sent back to the year his father disappeared and Alex returning to the year her parents died is probably not, to say, coincidental. Does Alex know about Sam's family? To what extent did Sam's activities in the Genieverse affect his life in 2006, and does Alex know this?

Specifically I wonder if Sam's adventure with Tony Crane impacts Alex's pursuit of Layton, and whence comes her need that Layton be taken alive.

But it was fun, if cheaply so. And Shaz is way better than Annie, both for having such wonderful hair and not being saddled with Liz White's really unlistenable voice.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:17 / 11.02.08
And Shaz is way better than Annie

Come on, she's spent most of her tiny screen time so far getting kidnapped and working up a crush on Chris. I am willing to believe she may surpass Annie as a character at some point, but it hasn't happened yet, by a long chalk.

Also, I'd like to ask whether anyone else found it downright weird that Alex chose to use Chris and Shaz as an audience when trying to work out how she had to behave within her "hallucinated" 1981. (The blackboard DEAD acrostic moment, which, against my will, I rather liked).

Why were they sitting and listening to her like she was making sense when she was going on about everything(including them) being a product of her dreaming brain, and would have clearly come across as a raving nutjob?
 
 
Paralis
21:06 / 11.02.08
Well, yeh. I don't think there's much hope of Shaz becoming a more thorough or appealing character than Annie, not least because so much of Annie's operational personality (her psych background, her femaleness) has been slapped onto Drake, which doesn't leave Shaz much to do besides moon around and to use her keen conversational skills to chat up the hesitant and afraid. Which, based on her few lines so far, should be a terrific chore. But her hair is much better, and her voice so much better still, that I think it's a step in the right direction.

As for the DEAD thing, the whole middle of the episode's fairly bizarre, because right after that she collapses, has a nightmare about waking up in a designer flat, and then wakes up in yet another designer flat. Which, well, it doesn't bear thinking about at all.

So I'm assuming right now that most of episode one was a dream (which is to say that there's a less surreal version of the 1981 Genieverse tucked away in the series somewhere). Or she's just dead.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
10:34 / 12.02.08
Or her brain's irretrievably damaged and OMG THAT'S WHY LOADS OF THINGS DON'T MAKE SENSE!!!

I think I have just found the perfect get out-clause for discontinuity, sloppiness and any given total nonsense in all future episodes.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:27 / 14.02.08
I thought that was approximately 1,981 times better than last week's show. I really connected with it. Anyone else?
 
 
h1ppychick
20:57 / 14.02.08
Yep, me too. I liked Shaz having more of a developed character, and how Alex became somewhat more playful in her new world (and hence more likeable). Presumably Drake's her married name, by the way?

Gene Genie rocked as always, although I have to say that I found the strongarm tactics at the pub less believable than previously and running counter to his increased tendency to play it by the book.

MichaelfromDesmonds actually had a line.

The soundtrack was also better - standouts were Tenpole Tudor, I think I counted 3 Dexy's tracks, Steve Strange in the back of the club playing We Fade to Grey.

Not convinced by Alex's immediate ability to style herself a la 80s - it'd have been a bit better if her wardrobe was a bit more crossover, and would have left slightly more ambiguity regarding the nature of her existence - whereas her instant cultural immersion seems to make it more clear than it needs to be that it's her brainparty and she'll cry if she wants to.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
21:20 / 14.02.08
I just wish ... WISH ... that she'd stop doing that "it's all in my miiiiind" thing - it's so very, very arch and annoying. Surely the other characters would object to, or at least comment on, being referred to as "constructs" all the time?

Rupert Graves = rock, however. Is Alex hotly anticipating seeing him onscreen in Another Country in three years' time, do you think?

I agree about her seamless immersion into the 80s, (perfect period eye makeup, anyone?) though I like the little-girl-dressing-up aspect of it. Last time around, she was far too young to wear mascara and hooker skirts. This time? Watch out ...

Her Mum is the lady out of BrassEye and Jam, yes? Great physical likeness; well cast, I thought. Still not happy about Keeley's Ribena consumption though - surely 14 units a night can't be conducive to being the best (and only) damn female DI on the force?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
23:42 / 14.02.08
(perfect period eye makeup, anyone?)

So true! (Funny how it seems...)

I was surprised this time round not only by the laughs it triggered, but, God help me, the emotional response it touched in me.

As such, A2A really pulled something off this week: it had to overcome a fair bit of resistance on my part, win my confidence, get my trust and allow me to relax into it. But it managed that, somehow. Within fifteen minutes I thought it was spot-on witty; by the end I was almost a bit lump-in-throat. I felt Alex's scenes with her mum really hit home somehow, and created a fascinating dynamic between the two women ~ both drawn to each other for different reasons (her mum seemingly attracted to Alex without realising why) using each other professionally for different reasons, making not-quite-friends, not even allies, but sensing an affinity that goes beyond just being female professionals in a patriarchal environment... and yet also really winding each other up and genuinely pissing each other off, partly because they're similarly sharp, quick and competitive. I felt Alex's relationship with her mum ~ clashing with her as a contemporary, but also longing for her as a daughter, and (in that weird doubling) partly wanting her mum to like her as an adult, and partly wanting her mum to go home to "her" as an eleven year-old.

It was about as intelligently painful and sad as anything I remember from Life on Mars. Which is a real achievement after the way I felt about it last week. And that's without the superbly enjoyable new romance milieu, the subtle deepening of Gene Hunt's representation, the socio-historical ironies and the actual spine of the whodunnit plot.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:28 / 15.02.08
Surely the other characters would object to, or at least comment on, being referred to as "constructs" all the time?

I'm not sure if the scriptwriters have really worked out what's going on here themselves (arguably, they hadn't by the end of 'Life On Mars') but I quite like the implication that at least some of the characters (everyone who was in 'Life On Mars', basically) know that they're only a sort of thing in Alex's dream, or whatever, and going out of their way to draw her into parallel Eighties world for some nefarious purpose of their own.

I didn't watch last week's, and I wasn't a huge fan of 'Life On Mars' either, but I'd agree that on last night's showing, this is quite a bit better than expected.
 
 
The Strobe
08:42 / 15.02.08
Her Mum is the lady out of BrassEye and Jam, yes?

Think so - it's Amelia Bullmore, who was also in State of Play, Suburban Shootout, and lots of Big Train... great actress who tends to veer between comedy and "straight" work quite a lot.

I also enjoyed last night's a lot - I think the "it's all in my mind" stuff will wear down soon, but you have to remember, Sam was pretty insistent about it in Mars series 1. It'll go away.

I also was a bit concerned about the whole slipping-seamlessly-into-character that Alex went through; I think there's meant to be a bit of a mystery about that. Sam found he was living in an empty bedsit; Alex appears to have inhabited a slightly more filled-out life in 1981, and perhaps has some surreal kind of residual memory. She doesn't appear to be remotely concerned about her hair, for instance.

Anyhow, lots of fun, and it balanced the serious with the jovial well. And: Chris in eyeliner!
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:53 / 15.02.08
Yes, the Blitz Club scene was great. And there were a couple of laugh-out-loud moments in the script as well, although I can't remember just what they were, annoyingly, though they were almost certainly Gene's lines.

However, I did want the A-story to surprise me a bit more. I'm an absolutely incorrigible second-guesser and I suppose I *may* have been watching thrillers, action flicks and police procedurals a leetle bit too long, but was anyone else fully and presciently aware of the following two plot "twists":
1) That Rupert would be shagging another bird when Alex went round to sleep with him
2) That George would plant a bomb at the street party?

If not, fair enough, it's just me and I should lay off the detective telly.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:05 / 15.02.08
1) That Rupert would be shagging another bird when Alex went round to sleep with him

I had drunk half a bottle of sparkling rose Jacob's Creek by this point, but I kept laughing at this silly 80s sit-com style scene, with the lift doors refusing to close. It actually did feel like 80s telly, in a good way.

2) That George would plant a bomb at the street party?


There was slightly more to it, as he had become a suicide bomber ~ an idea Alex anachronistically planted in his mind, as he'd previously thought such a terror would be beyond even the IRA.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:34 / 15.02.08
Weren't the plot twists *supposed* to be obvious though? Isn't the point that Alex is trapped in a parody of dodgy Eighties TV (Demsey and Makepeace; the way her mother seems to be based on Helen Mirren's role from 'Prime Suspect', and weren't there at least a couple of references to 'The Chancer' in there somewhere - Gene Hunt's 'rules') because in some way, as a kid whose mother was never around much, Eighties TV was her childhood?

If so, it seems preferable to all that mawkish stuff about Sam Tyler 'having a kickabout' with his father.

On 'Newsnight Review' the other day, Tony Parsons said he found that scene very moving, but frankly, it made me do a little sick on the clothes.

But this could be an interesting series; Gene and Alex go to investigate various sordid events at a shipyard run by perma-sozzled 'venture capitalists' on the south coast, etc: There's an incident in a pub in the East End that open their eyes up to the worst of human depravity. The lonesome, homicidal maniac, discovered, trousers down in his allotment shed, gazing blankly at the Kays catalogue, having stolen the Christmas money. The department store that seems to have something terribly wrong with it.

There'd be flaws in this premise; it's meant be set in '81, after all, but I don't know if the LOM/A2A team have let that sort of thing stop them in the past.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:09 / 15.02.08
It would be brilliant to have a show (this is not that show, I think, though it suggests the idea) like a TV version of "Planetary", where a team of 80s cops investigates that kind of analogy from other TV; bullying at The Grange school, the vandalism of a sunken garden, a former 1940s detective hallucinating through psoriasis, a wisecracking New York private eye agency...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:06 / 15.02.08
The sort of Eighties cops, specifically, who were prepared to shoot first and ask questions later.

None of this caring, sharing about getting Zammo, say, onto methadone.

Similarly;

'You call this a detective agency? Have you had her yet, mate?'

'Buddy, I don't think you understand ...'

'Are you one of those people I have to read about in the papers? I think I might have seen your advert ...'

'Well hey, that's cool.'

'No Gene, no!'

'Privately investigate this, yer bastard!'

Agreed that this isn't that show, but, godamnit, it would have made for a great pitch. The layers of Alex's reality comig slowly unstuck, until by the end, she and Gene were investigating a bloodbath in the home of Bagpuss.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:24 / 15.02.08
'You, sunshine, are prime suspect in out investigation of the murder of Professor Yaffle.'

'But Bagpuss was asleep'

'Sure you were. Take him to the cells. I'm going for a smoke'

'Gene, you can't do this! I'm a trained psychologist! Let me speak to him! Bagpuss, I know you're not guilty, but you're looking at twenty to life unless you provide an alibi!'

'Bagpuss is going to sleep'

'What did I tell you? All right lads, beat the crap out of him.'
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:45 / 15.02.08
As long as there's an international A-Team crossover at some point, I'm happy.
 
  

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