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Books, the buying of - where and why

 
  

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Kit-Cat Club
11:31 / 06.03.02
A bit of a poll topic, I'm afraid, but I am interested in this subject for proto-political reasons (to do with chains, independent bookshops and small press publishers, and so on).

Where do you buy your books, and why? Or do you borrow from libraries?

I am a book-buying addict - I don't even belong to a lending library, because I like to *have* the book as a physical presence in my room. I must spend over fifty quid on the things every month... I even have dreams about *collecting* books (rather than just accumulating a lot of them), and therefore I probably qualify as a books Junior Fatbeard.

You'd think it would make more sense to buy books second-hand, and I do if I don't have any other option (e.g. if the book is out of print or only available online - I don't have a credit card, and hence don't use Amazon), but actually I find some second-hand shops and second-hand books quite off-putting. I was in the basement of Quinto's the other day and it smelt so badly of damp that I really couldn't bear to have a proper look round... Which is silly, because in general I approve of second-hand shops and the second-hand trade; I just don't seem to buy that many of my books there.

Otherwise, shamefully, I use the big chains - usually depending on who has the best offers. This is rubbish of me, but it is easier to use the chains than to find a decent independent shop... there's Hatchard's, I suppose, and the Muswell Hill bookshops (but am scarcely ever there when they are open)... I feel guilty about it late at night. I suppose I'm trying to arrive at some form of ethical book-buying here... any recommendations?
 
 
Persephone
12:11 / 06.03.02
When we lived in Madison, I only ever read books from the library. It was great, because you could check out a stack of the books and have them for the whole semester; and of course they had everything.

Despite being impressive edifices, the libraries here pretty much stink; the collections are terrible, it's really a shame. But even so, I can't be bothered to trek back and forth every two weeks or read on someone else's schedule. I think that makes me very unfit to live under any sort of collective system.

So book costs have skyrocketed. I buy almost all my lit. books at Myopic Books, an xlnt used bookstore down the street from my house. Our evening walks pause at Myopic, and then resume home with half a dozen paperbacks.

If there's a particular new book that I'm looking for, I go to the Barnes & Noble near the movie theater we like. But I have to really want the book, because new book prices are shockingly expensive to me.

I don't buy from Amazon. I might if I worked in an office & could have to books delivered there, but otherwise I, er, am sort of afraid of deliverymen at home. But also I like to look through books, feel the pages and so forth, and it seems very much like cheating to use the neighborhood bookstore in this way & then give Amazon my money, even though they're cheaper sometimes.

I also refuse to buy at Border's, for non-rational reasons as I'm sure that everything that's wrong with Border's is the same at Barnes & Noble. But when I was looking for the Iliad, they had it filed under History! Is that right? At B&N at least it was under Poetry. But dammit, both of them should have a Classics section. With a chair so I can sit and read.

I don't buy from very many independent new booksellers, but that's mostly because they're not close to my house.
 
 
Ariadne
12:17 / 06.03.02
Oh dear - I buy from the chains, too, but that's partly because I'm not aware of any good independents near my work or home.

Í do buy a fair amount of secondhand stuff from the shops on Charing Cross Road and from a good Oxfam shop in Ealing.

I would use Amazon more but when I work near CCR it seems easier and usually cheaper (no delivery cost) to just go there. Plus I like to spend ages browsing.
 
 
rizla mission
12:41 / 06.03.02
90% of my books are bought 2nd hand. All of my family are big readers (all on vastly different subjects), so it's kind of an annual tradition that we all go to 'Town of Books' Hay on Wye and buy far more books than we'll ever be able to read for about £1 each..

..but then, there are some books that you never see 2nd hand, and now that I've got a bit more spare cash than I used to, I do find myself thinking "Right, I've GOT to read that PARTICULAR book RIGHT NOW" and getting it from Waterstones. So that makes up the other 10% - and obviously the new, deliberately bought, book's are the one's I give priority to when choosing what to read next.

Oh yeah, and I tend to use Amazon from time to time to quench my thrist for esoteric weird occult shit that normal bookshops don't sell..

[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: Rizla Year Zero ]
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:13 / 06.03.02
I’m utterly capricious when it comes to this – I’ll oftengo into somewhere like the big shops here in London (Borders etc) and just do a swoop of various titles I’ve been thinking about for a while. But just as much I’ll buy a book when I see a bookshop and just feel like it. No proper policy, really…

I’ll scour the cheapo shops regularly (especially for TPBs etc), though for the same reasons that I find Forbidden Planet forbidding I don’t often go into the second-hand shops on Charing Cross, though I’m aware that there may be things I’d like there…

And I’ll use Amazon and eBay for things that I can’t find elsewhere… Amazon’s useful for getting hold of difficult stuff, but I usually find that the postage charges wipe out the discount aspect.

Y’know, somehow I don’t think I’m helping this discussion much…

DBC
 
 
sleazenation
13:25 / 06.03.02
most of my books have been ferreted out through second hand sources-- love the second hand book store and it musty smell of infinite promise--

also key haunt of the remained book shops. I browse borders all the time and get magazines form there and any books I have to buy new. but if you're in london there is always foyles surely...
 
 
odd jest on horn
13:26 / 06.03.02
i buy *lots* of secondhand books. sci-fi, conan, politics. usually they're bought at the flee market where they cost about 50p each. most second hand *shops* only have used porn magazines, and love stories. i used go there a lot as a kid hoping i'd find a first edition occult book, or even any occult book at all. no luck, ever.

i buy all my tpb at a comic shop, even though they're cheaper at the icelandic equivalent of b&n. i like the service, and i like the variety. even though i mostly just buy series that are sold in the big stores. i have seen too many speciality stores go down the crapper here. i like speciality stores, the staff is always knowledgeable and pleasant.

same goes for occult books. there's this store now that sells them. great service, nice conversation. she has her own tarot decks there and lets people look at them if they're not sure they'd like a deck or not, judging from the package.

computer/programming/cyberculture books i buy from amazon. the only shop that sells them is the uni shop, and most of the staff there's horrible, and the markup is outrageous. also i love the serendipity of amazon. always another link to click.

and then there's the library... ahhh. i wish being a librarian paid half as much as being a programmer. then i never would have switched jobs.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:28 / 06.03.02
Well, yeah, but I object to Foyles for several reasons:

a) can't find anything I want in there
b) wouldn't give me a job
c) treat staff badly
d) bobbins history section, even worse than Waterstone's... you get more up-to-date books at Henry Pordes, for God's sake...
 
 
Ariadne
13:47 / 06.03.02
Yeah, I always feel guilty about going to Borders instead of Foyles but I really dislike the shop. Like Kit-Cat Club says, it's hard to find anthing and there's also just, I don't know, a really horrible atmosphere in there.
 
 
Trijhaos
15:46 / 06.03.02
I buy most of my books from a chain bookstore. Its on my way home, so I pop in at least 3 times a week. On occassion, I'll order a book from the Science Fiction Book Club that I joined back when I was 12. I couldn't help it. The books were so cheap.

I on occasion borrow books from the library, but usually only for research or stand-alone novels. If I want to read a series and start at the beginning instead of the end, I'm better off buying the series myself, since the library here is usually missing books from a series.

As for why? I don't know. Why do geeks spend 300 dollars on Boba Fett dolls? I just love books. If I go into a bookstore you can bet I'll walk out with at least one book. A good way to get me to buy a book is to take a dollar or two off the price. "Look, this book is on sale, buy it...you know you want it". I can't resist. I have at least 20 books I've bought and probably won't get around to reading simply because they were on sale. I can't resist books when they only cost 49 cents.

I've often dreamt of opening my own book/cofee shop. You know a nice hole in the wall where you can sit, drink a cup of coffee, read a book, and if you like buy it. Probably wouldn't be very profitable though.
 
 
The Strobe
15:49 / 06.03.02
Heffers (here) very good, Waterstones darn good. Don't like Borders. It's badly laid out and pricey, the HMV of books.

Foyles is an abomination. Ugh.

I LOVE, though, second hand shops. I often trawl Charing Cross when in London, and whenever visiting a city/town for the first time, usually take Drif's Guide to the Secondhand Bookshops of the British Isles with me, which itself is a wonderful book. Just finding something cheap to go on the shelf does; especially with all the books I need for uni. Moss Books in Cheltenham is pretty OK as secondhand shops go.

I understand the whole dank/smelly/icky asepct of them, but I just love s/h books, because I love books and I love cheap books even more.

That said, my room here is full of books I haven't read that I just brought up a) "in case" and b) "for atmosphere". Hmn.

I also spend a long while standing in bookshops, reading, and then walking out. Browsing is wonderfully indulgent fun.
 
 
Ierne
18:11 / 06.03.02
I'm a pretty fierce second-hand book buyer. Part of that is due to the need to save $$$. Yet there's something wonderful about going to a bookstore that doesn't put up tacky adverts about the "top bestsellers that you can't live without" on the walls, where one can pick books based on strange covers, or the name of an author who's been referenced by another author, or a topic that one would have never considered reading about until a particular book fell into one's hands.

There's been a lot of independent bookstore closings here in NYC, which is sad. There's still a couple around though, and if I've got cash in hand I'll stop by and pick up a couple of books.
 
 
sleazenation
09:08 / 07.03.02
is it really just me and pale face that love the musty goodness and promise of second hand book shops?
 
 
Trijhaos
09:24 / 07.03.02
No, you're not the only ones. I love second hand bookshops. Unfortuantely, the closet second-hand bookshop is an hour's drive away, which means I don't get to it too often. Even then, it doesn't exactly fit into my definition of a second-hand bookshop. While it does deal in second-hand books, the books are your basic sci-fi/fantasy, romance, horror, and action/adventure. Not the best place to go searching for that old musty book of romantic poems or anything of that sort.
 
 
lolita nation
09:24 / 07.03.02
steal from barnes and noble. buy from indie stores.
 
 
Jackie Susann
09:24 / 07.03.02
I generally pick up odd things at op shops (and, occasionally, secondhand bookshops). If there's something specific I want, I usually have to try a specialist shop - Hares and Hyenas for queer stuff, Barricade for radical politics, Readings for theory. I don't steal from any of them - Hares and Barricade because I like them, Readings 'cause their security's too good. There are a couple of indie stores I will steal from, one in particular that combines offensively pretentious staff with a pretty good selection and nice layout for shoplifting. And if I want something I can get in chains but not op shops I usually steal it, but that's pretty rare.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
09:24 / 07.03.02
Hey Ierne,

Have you checked out the relatively new "7th Avenue Books" in Park slope yet? They've got mostly used paperbacks, with a "club" membership for deep new hardcover discounts. I always end up walking out with a few books, and the selection changes rapidly. It's on 7th ave. and about 8th street, if you don't know about it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:24 / 07.03.02
Hey - I was in there earlier today, I really like that store, whenever I'm in that area (a block from my best friend's pad), I always want to stop in.

It's next door to probably the single worst comic store I've encountered in the NYC area, incidentally...
 
 
wanderingstar
09:24 / 07.03.02
quote:lolita nation sez:
steal from barnes and noble. buy from indie stores.

I worked for a subsidiary of b&n in SoCal for 2 years. I liberated a couple hundred dollars' worth of books from them, and I know I wasn't the only one. The town I live in now is great--5 independent bookstores within a 10 minute walk. 2 of those are used bookstores. I actually have to drive for half an hour to find a chain store now, and their selection is crap. I use Amazon and the like only for browsing, to find information on something particular, and then order it from a local shop. (I might use it for something out of print, if I couldn't find it otherwise. Haven't had to yet.) I love libraries, especially when I'm feeling poor. Our libraries aren't very up-to-date, but they have good sales. Every month or so you can get a grocery bag full of books for $1. I've long since run out of shelf space. But mostly I buy from our small indie shops. They've got the best selection, both of books and magazines. Same with video rental stores. The chains have started moving in this past year or so(Blockbuster, Spotlight), but I rarely go to them. The little shops have all the interesting titles, and don't make you promise your unborn child to them if you bring back your movies a day or two late.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
09:24 / 07.03.02
i generally hate any kind of shopping but i LOVE the secondhand bookshops on church street in stoke newington. also, housmans in kings cross has a 2nd hand section in the basement. the books smell better than new! i hear, too, that silver moon is relocating in a section of foyles.....

as for stealing from the big places: i used to know someone - a book thief extrodinaire - who worked at blackwells. the pay/conditions in the place were terrible, and he used to happily watch (not stop) shoplifters. he was quite moral about it; often he'd rant about 'bloody amateur tactics', but one time he was practically in tears of awe and respect at this woman who'd picked up a book, stuck a bookmark in it, clasped the thing to her chest like a well loved tome and walked around the shop for ages before leaving.
 
 
Opalfruit
09:24 / 07.03.02
The majority of my books are second hand - I love trawling through second hand bookshops and charity shops hunting for interesting books. I still have loads of books that I haven't read!

I generally buy my new books from Waterstones as the shop here in Manchester does have a nice feel about it and they have regular guests with free wine.

The Works and County Bookstores often have the odd gems in as well.

....but you still can't beat the charity shops for bargains.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:24 / 07.03.02
Oh, that's much the best way to do it... be brazen. You can often liberate books from pubs which have books 'for atmosphere' as well.

It's not that I don't like second-hand bookshops - I do, I love them, but not when they smell of damp, and not when the books are soapy old paperbacks...
 
 
Cavatina
10:15 / 07.03.02
Interesting thread. I borrow *a lot* from a uni library. But I also enjoy browsing and reading, often for an hour or two, in bookshops, and buy 2-6 books a month on average - mostly from the uni bookshop, Imprints, Minefield, Borders, Dymocks or Angus & Robertson. The few secondhand books I've bought have been from a particular Sat./Sun large market stall. Ah, the excitement of making discoveries - of something very new, or long wanted. For some reason it's so much more satisfying than simply ordering a book.

Edited to mention that of the stores mentioned, Borders is the largest and best stocked. It's open for much longer periods than any of the others, and it's well laid out; the books (and discs) are sometimes cheaper, too. So, in spite of it being a multinational, I confess, somewhat shamefacedly, to going there frequently. Their coffee, however, is bloody atrocious - *and* expensive at $2.80, when it's $2.50 almost everywhere else.

[ 07-03-2002: Message edited by: Cavatina ]
 
 
Persephone
11:14 / 07.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Cavatina:
Ah, the excitement of making discoveries - of something very new, or long wanted. For some reason it's so much more satisfying than simply ordering a book.


Oh, very much so... last night *at last* procured cheap edition of Ulysses last night from Myopic, "the complete and unabridged text, as corrected and entirely reset in 1961" (btw).

[completely off-topic]Oh my god, I was just checking my spelling of "procure" on merriamwebster, and do you know, the first definition is 1 a : to get possession of : obtain by particular care and effort but the second definition is b: to get and make available for promiscuous sexual intercourse. As in, procure women! I *always* say "procure books." I'm boggled![/end completely off topic]
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:07 / 07.03.02
I tend to be a big second-hand buyer too. Although I am quite finicky about the quality of them - the binding still has to be in good nick, and the cover unripped and preferably uncreased. Demanding, but - well, hey. Oxfam's got great pickings on occasion, and I find it's the delight in finding stuff secondhand that you either can't get new (or would be charged an arm and a leg for) that makes the often-frustrating trawling worthwhile. Occasionally, you'll come across the book that you thought you'd never see - that's what makes it worth the time.

There is a delight in getting a long-ordered book new, though, too. It's like christmas all over again.

I do recall liberating a book from a pub, actually... a copy of Pride and Prejudice that had the most Tom Of Finland-alike illustrations I'd ever seen. They'll never miss it...
 
 
Ethan Hawke
12:59 / 07.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Persephone:


Oh, very much so... last night *at last* procured cheap edition of Ulysses last night from Myopic, "the complete and unabridged text, as corrected and entirely reset in 1961" (btw).


Yeah, but does it have line numbers in it? Because you'll really, really want them if you get into the secondary literature. I had a copy of Ulysess where the page/line numbers did not match up exactly to the Companion I was using, and boy was it a pain in the ass.
 
 
grant
13:07 / 07.03.02
I tend to acquire a lot of books as gifts (amazon wishlist) and quite a few via work, where we get review copies for some odd ones.

But I generally buy used books, and most often when on vacation somewhere. Got a great book on how to write short-short stories in Vermont one summer....
 
 
grant
13:10 / 07.03.02
I should also say when I buy books as gifts for others, they tend to come from Borders, the big chain.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:13 / 07.03.02
It depends what I'm looking for. Sci-fi/novels and the like generally tend to be bought from second hand shops. however, because I'm economically challenged I sometimes go to a chain if a book is cheaper there because of a sale. I have ethical issues with the whole Chapters/Indigo/Cole arrangement but my wallet doesn't

If I'm going for photography books I prefer to frequent the independants. They tend to have a better selection and are less limited by moral standards and consumer pressure. Also they support more of the local, independant publications which is an important issue for me, especially when it comes to photography books. Pages on Queen W/Toronto is a regular stopping point for me.

I have actaully found a decent use for Chapters though. Throughout most of their stores they have computers so that you can search a catalogue and this is particularly helpful when you want to get some ISBN numbers for ordering at an independant.
 
 
Persephone
15:47 / 07.03.02
quote:Originally posted by todd:


Yeah, but does it have line numbers in it? Because you'll really, really want them if you get into the secondary literature. I had a copy of Ulysess where the page/line numbers did not match up exactly to the Companion I was using, and boy was it a pain in the ass.


Oh hell *now* you tell me... oh well.
 
 
Rage
19:55 / 07.03.02
I reminisce the good old days of Frisco. The book stores like Anarchist Collective and City Lights. Nothing like this around here except for Stone Soup Collective, which isn't a bookstore but an anarchist literature library. I have this thing where I need to own all the books I read. I figure that since independent bookstores around here are nil, now is the time for me to read all the essential classics that they happen to have at Borders. (I still haven't read Brave New World or A Clockwork Orange or Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and I just started the Illuminatus! Trilogy) By the time I arrive at my next independent bookstore, all the essential classics will have already been read by me, and I won't feel like some girl listening to some subversie local band who is bugged by the fact that she's never heard Tool. Or something.
 
 
Rage
19:57 / 07.03.02
quote:steal from barnes and noble. buy from indie stores.

Words of wisdom here!
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
09:33 / 08.03.02
The libraries nearby are decent, but not well stocked in the areas I like to study, so I often treat the local Borders as a library. No one seems to really mind.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:23 / 09.03.02
I'm pretty lazy, so I work with what I've got. During my last job I was using second-hand bookshops a fair bit, because they were to hand. Now that I work in a library I use that to order most of the books I want to read (managed to get copies of some magic books that way). Although I agree with what Kit-Kat said, I was finding I was buying stuff which looked good browsing in the shop but which was disappointing when I'd got it home and finished it. Using the library does mean I have to wait but it doesn't really matter as I always have a pile of stuff to get through.
Then there's the stuff which I ought to read once but will doubtfully ever read again, like 'No Logo'. Even if it is 'only' a fiver, why should I spend that when I can get the book for free?

Anyway, if there's something I know I'm going to like, or which I've read the library copy of and want for myself the next stop is usually something like Bookbrain to find a cheap copy. Amazon is best avoided due to their high delivery costs but I've tried Blackwells and been impressed so far.
 
 
Captain Zoom
14:06 / 09.03.02
I do my very best to buy only at used book stores. I'm biased, admittedly, as I run one. If it's something new, I'll try to go to a local indie store, but sometimes it's just not possible. Once Chapters/Indigo banned Mein Kampf from their shelves I swore I wouldn't shop there anymore, but there's not a lot of alternatives in Oakville. I don't but from online bookstores, only 'cause I like to be able to actually see a book and it's condition before I get it.

Anal, moi?

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