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Chronicles of Narnia - Prince Caspian

 
 
yichihyon
00:43 / 07.12.07
Chronicles of Narnia - Prince Caspian movie poster.

Anybody looking forward to the continuation of the Chronicles of Narnia? I know I am. I was a fan of the books since a boy. Directed by Andrew Adamson. I thought he did a good job on the first one of the series. Any thoughts on the second of the series?

Prince Caspian trailer
Narnia website
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
01:03 / 07.12.07
Saw the trailer, got me excited. My only worry is that of a fanboy: I know why they are doing the books out of sequence, but still...I like continuity.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:48 / 07.12.07
They're not doing them out of sequence, though, are they? So far, the films are going to come out in the order the books were written and published. It would be absolute 100% cast-iron LUNACY to make a film of The Horse and His Boy next, more so than it would have been to make The Magician's Nephew first. Lewis' second Narnia book is Prince Caspian: it's the next part of the story. The Horse and His Boy is, frankly, filler, and I don't know if it really warrants adaptation at all (although it is many years since I read it, more so than y'know, the really good ones).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:51 / 07.12.07
Personally I just want them to bang this one out ASAP so they can get to the Dawn Treader / Silver Chair double punch.
 
 
Seth
08:52 / 07.12.07
Is that a double punch that you're hoping will leave you ON THE ROPES?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:06 / 07.12.07
More like bound to a chair with ropes AH DO YOU SEE
 
 
Jack Fear
12:35 / 07.12.07
The Once And Future Flyboy is correct about the movies following the order of the rlease of the books, rather than the chronology of Narnia. The books were renumbered fairly recently—after I’d read them, anyway, so some time after the late 1970s—in accordance with someone-or-other’s deathbed wish. And like lots of deathbed wishes, it doesn’t make a hell of a lot of sense.

We talked a lot about that and other things in this thread on The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, which I urge you to read if you have not done so; not only does it answer a lot o questions that may arise here, it’s also one of the best movie threads we’ve ever done on Barbelith, IMHO, and not just because I run my mouth a lot in it.

I can see the point of wanting to get Caspian out of the way, too, in the sense that not a lot actually happens, compared to the travelogue of wonders that is Dawn Treader and the fevered atmospheres of Chair; but it’s the one book in the series that lingers most in my mind. It’s got some of the loveliest and most vivid descriptive writing in the series (which of course won’t survive the translation to the screen), but it’s also the clearest example of how idiosyncratic and strange Lewis’s religiosity is.

The theology of the Narnia books is downright weird, and never moreso than in Caspian. There’s a lot more going on here than the simplistic Aslan = Jesus equivalency. This is no Jesus we’ve ever known; he’s a direct-interventionist god who nonetheless absents himself from human affairs for long periods, often to disastrous effect. He’s the true ruler of Narnia, or so we hear, but he’s rather m ore like an absentee landlord—never staying long, more a figure of rumor than an object of worship, always being forgotten and rediscovered. More of an Old Testament God, really, with kings and princes as his prophets.

But what does it mean, allegorically, for Lewis to begin with a conflation of the Christmas and Easter stories and then vault backwards to what is essentially a retelling of the Babylonian Captivity?

And Lewis’s theology has room in it for pagan gods and pagan sensuality: in Caspian we find river spirits (the sundering of the bridge at Beruna shows up briefly in the trailer), naiads and dryads, Silenus, and Bacchus—Bacchus, for cry-eye—as part of Aslan’s entourage. The bad guys are Puritans, basically, consumed with a loathing for superstition, frivolity, and the body. When Aslan returns (again), all that is swept aside; the wine flows freely, and people throw off their “scratchy, uncomfortable clothes” and dance with wild abandon. Safe to say that the allegedly-huge Christian Conservative audience that ate up Lion is going to have rougher sledding with the rest of the series.

Perhaps most importantly, Caspian foreshadows and deepens what is probably the most troubling and controversial aspect of the series, The Problem Of Susan—and makes a strong case that what keeps her out of Heaven at the eschaton is not sexual sin, after all.

Based on the first movie, and impression gleaned from the trailer, I imagine that the adaptation will be faithful, workmanlike—neither striving for nor attaining genius as a piece of filmmaking—and I guess that’s okay. Andrew Adam’s Son seems to think his job as director is to not get in the way of the material, and to let Lewis speak for himself. And Lewis speaking for himself should generate plenty of discussion.

Tiny quibble; I’d always imagined Caspian as younger. He’s only a year or two older than Peter, isn’t he?
 
 
grant
13:14 / 07.12.07
How much of Lewis do you think is borrowed from Blake, Jack?

I'm not really that familiar with Narnia - read a few (not all) of the books in my early teens and forgot 'em. The Perelandra books stuck with me.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
13:25 / 07.12.07
I'm a lot more interested in this film than I was in the Lion. Mainly becaue I'm less familiar with the source materisl, having read it once about twenty years ago and having listened to the Beebs radio dramatisation at the time of broadcast and perhaps once or twice since the C.D. release.

I think most people are familiar with The Lion, certainly a large multiple factor more than are familiar with any of the other novels, and I agree a lot of people are going to be surprised by the contents, especially if they are expecting comfortably church friendly fare. Of course the content could well have been re-shaped into a more Alpha happy shape, for all I know.

Having mentioned the latest radio version I'd also happily recommend it to anyone as a fine collection. Not perfect but very good. Horse, for instance, I enjoyed a lot more Aurally than Textually.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:01 / 07.12.07
grant: You know, I haven’t read enough Blake to comment on that with any authority.

I’ve always connected Lewis’s stance with that of St. Augustine, who argued that pre-Christian philosophy (what we would today call “an education in the Classics”) was not incompatible with Christianity, and that Christian values were discernible in the works of, say, Aristotle—if (and this is vital) you read them in a Christian frame of mind.

Context is vital for Augustine, and for Lewis. Susan says to Lucy, “I wouldn’t have felt safe with Bacchus and all his wild girls if we’d met them without Aslan.” So it’s less about Blake’s truth arising from the reconciling of opposites than it is about having your cake and eating it too.

Then again, neither Augustine nor Aristotle were dance-around-in-your-underwear types, so I may just be blowing smoke, here.

In going to the bookshelf to confirm that quote, BTW, I note that Caspian—although it is not, as noted above, particularly densely-plotted, is the second-longest book in the series, shorter only than the one-damn-thing-after-another extravaganza of Dawn Treader.

Also: I read the first two books of the Space Trilogy this summer and fucking hated them. Perelandra, in particular gave me the shits: transparently allegorical, ham-fisted, preachy—everything the Narnia books aren’t.
 
 
grant
14:59 / 07.12.07
Yeah, the third one is less allegorical, but yes, they're obviously what they are. The second is the worst of the bunch.

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On Blake: I was mainly thinking about the way he shifts the Good/Evil binary to Innocence/Experience, and the way he plays around with Promethean figures as "good" but "experienced" (and thus not worthy or impure in some ways).
 
 
yichihyon
01:39 / 16.05.08
Prince Caspian

I just saw the The Chronicles of Narnia Prince Caspian and I was blown away! The pacing was just like the the Chronicles of Narnia The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe where it builds on the story in the 1st hour then lets loose with the action building up to a satisfying massive epic war of a climax. I just wish their was more action mayhem though.

Andrew Adamson did it again with his adaptation of Prince Caspian where the characters of Prince Caspian, King Miraz, and even Reepicheep, the swashbuckling mouse come alive. Andrew Adamson, I think dealing with C.S. Lewis's themes of Christianity lets some sunshine in overlooking the battle scenes like God watching over and dwarfing the battle and the belief in Aslan is important like the importance of believing in God. Susan will even give Legolas a good match in a sharp shooting archery duel! The background sceneries were beautiful just as much as the set work in the first one!

Some of the acting though was a bit not on par as the brilliant acting of the first one though. It's a minor gripe though to a satisfying Fantasy Adventure adaptation of the Legendary Children Novel series. I hope they continue to make more in the series being a fan of the series since I was young and it might not happen with the recent news by producer Mark Johnson saying the third one The Chronicles of Narnia The Dawn Treader might be the last one they will make but that depends on the box office of the second one though.

The Chronicles of Narnia Prince Caspian is in the vein of classic Disnesque adaptations and Disnesque movies and in the vein of C.S. Lewis themes of Christianity and directly influenced by the bible and where the forces of good are always good and the forces of evil are evil and rotten to the core but it is not typical to the binary world of distinct good versus evil because the good Prince Caspian like Edmund in the first one are seduced and almost overcome by evil but they overcome their dark shadow side and let light guide their way to judge in themselves what is good and right and what is evil and wrong.

The Prince Caspian is like a Hamlet conflicted knight in shining armor that is not always shining like the movie but prevails to guide himself in what is right and what is wrong and I liked that alot in a world where clear distinctions of good and evil are not as clear anymore and when vengence would be alright in a movie if someone did a wrong to you in the past but it is even noblier to not let the blood lust and heated passion of revenge overcome you or there will be more blood to be answered for later in life......
 
 
e-n
06:46 / 26.05.08
Saw this yesterday and really enjoyed it despite previously having only been familiar with the "The lion.." and the Magicians Nephew (the name of which I would never would never have remembered without being pointed to the other thread, thanks Jack) so I can't speak to it's closeness or otherwise to the book.

There's were one or two over cheesy scenes and there's a lot going on (the GF and I had some issues discussing each others favourite bits as the other couldn't remember that bit) but that didn't really ruin it for us, although she was the only one in the cinema laughing at a few scenes ...

Did this do as well as the previous one and guarantee the next one?
Anyone else see it?
Thoughts?
 
 
e-n
06:49 / 26.05.08
oh and there was what I thought to be surprisingly good fight choreography in the one on one fight in the middle.

While everything in the first movie had a "fantasy light" look (or LOTR with less mud and blood) this was a surprisingly tough affair.
I loved it.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
00:36 / 27.05.08
I had a good time but it wasn't as much fun as I'd been hoping for. I think I enjoyed the first one more.

somehow the theme felt pretty muddied to me. I haven't read the book in a zillion years so I'm not sure how much was changed, but it felt like they tried to keep some things for unclear reasons and add others for the sake of having a bit more plot/action...in the end I wasn't really sure what the point was supposed to have been.

it definitely lost a lot of the feeling that the Telemarines were afraid of nature/the supernatural. I don't think there was any dancing anything and they didn't make much of the Baruna ford vs bridge part, for instance.

some things just seemed to happen because they'd been in the book, but without most of the backstory or explanation seemed silly. you could kind of pick up the idea about having faith and putting your fate in the hands of Aslan, but the delivery seemed here and there and poorly resolved.

I believe they added in most of the hostility/competition between peter and caspian, the romantic interest with susan, and if I'm not mistaken the entire sequence of the unsuccessful attack on the castle...which was actually all to the better in terms of making it a movie experience. I seem to remember the book doing a lot of glossing over and summarizing the battles...maybe there was a mention in there of the castle attack? I don't remember the dwarf trying to get caspian to summon the white witch, either.

yeah, maybe I should go read the book.
 
 
wicker woman
04:19 / 27.05.08
My only real problem with the movie is that it assumes the viewer has read the books, and recently at that. Reepicheep and Trumpkin's names, among others, were mentioned all of once and damned if I could recall them by the end of the film.
 
  
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