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Grant's influence on your life

 
 
deviant
18:41 / 02.12.07
hello.i would like to know what you get from his work and how you apply what you learned from all the stories.is it just escapism or more?i am just curious.i lived in france,england and now i am in africa,studied a little bit a philosophy and trying to see myself evolving as a person,lookink at movements ,trying to be part of them;so what about you?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:46 / 02.12.07
I learnt a lot about Anarky.
 
 
petunia
19:17 / 02.12.07
He makes me want chickens.
 
 
Mug Chum
19:20 / 02.12.07
I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Superman (and I used to hate Superman).

I Learned to Start Worrying and Hate the Batman (and I used to love Batman).
 
 
Jack Fear
20:21 / 02.12.07
grant has helped me understand many of the vital scientific concepts that effect us all each day, and he's done it through the medium of catchy lo-fi pop songs. Also he sends me coded messages telling me to kill.

Why is this in Comics? Shouldn't it be in Music? Or Convo? Or, preferably, on some board frequented by people who can consider the notion that ZOMG MY FAVORIT COMIX WRITER (who i refer to by first name becos me and him spiritually we're like that see) IS TOTALLY INFLEUNCING MY LIFE!!!one! without bursting into rude, inappropriate laughter?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:18 / 02.12.07
Hi, deviant...

This would of course seem like a rookie thread to start in the first blush of new membership, only you've apparently been registered with the Lith as far back as 2003; more than ample time to learn how to use the search function and locate Grant Morrison threads (if that's your desire) to gabble away on -- both general ones and more specialized ones. Perhaps, based on the small contribution put forward in your opening, you'd like to kick-start one of the old Invisibles threads?

As it stands, I don't so much see the point of this thread and would prefer to lock and let it sink.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:43 / 02.12.07
I'm okaying the requested lock but this is a tiny bit harsh, chaps. WHAT HAVE WE BECOME etc.

deviant, I note that although you've been registered for a bit you haven't posted much. I'm assuming that you haven't read the board much either. The thing is, while this community retains the Barbelith monniker, we've long since moved on from the original Grantcentricity you might expect from a board of that name. It's become a very broad place with a multiplicity of influences. Have a read of some recent discussions (and the FAQ) and maybe rethink this topic.
 
 
Benny the Ball
18:55 / 03.12.07
Can't we at least try to make something of threads before locking - yes it's a bit of a poor start - but what about talking about possible learnings about story telling for those of us who are creating? Scripting tips picked up from the Silent X-Men, or anything at all about sigils in work etc?

Yes it's reaching, and this is maybe more a conversation thread - but maybe open it up - if it's for comics, then why not talk about writer influence and overall lessons from past and present creators?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:22 / 03.12.07
B the B--you might want to check out the Policy discussion starting here. This thread has now been unlocked again. As long as a reasonable discussion can be had, it will remain so. It might be helpful if you would care to elaborate on those promising themes..?
 
 
Mark Parsons
21:54 / 03.12.07
I learned about Terrence McKenna via GM and Invisibles, which was great. Saw the man (TM) lecture here in LA at UCLA's Veteran's Hall. When they realized that a "drug guru" was about to talk on hallowed ground (all due respect to vets), they tried to cancel at the last moment, but some handy intervention by the ACLU allowed the event to continue. I now regret not spending 200 bucks on a Timewave Zero workshop, which was lead my TM. He is a sadly missed voice in my life. Alas, his entire library was burned in a fire just months prior to a planned move to Esalen's collection.

Morrison and Moore have both been guiding lights in terms of striving to see the world differently/magically, as well as simply enjoying and being inspired by the quality of their work.
 
 
HCE
23:30 / 03.12.07
grant sent me some useful study materials. Thanks again, grant!
 
 
Spaniel
07:34 / 04.12.07
BB, I can appreciate why you'd like to give threads a chance before locking or consigning them to the purgatory that is Convo, but this isn't looking anything like a comics thread to me at the moment. Even Mark's post, which clearly means well, has nothing to do with the subject of this forum.

I think we've given it enough time. It's had its chance. I'm moving for a shunt to the big C.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:11 / 04.12.07
The problem with moving it to the Conversation is that it opens up even more possibilities as to which Grant could be refered to! What if it's the bloke who wrote half of Red Dwarf?
 
 
jentacular dreams
08:29 / 04.12.07
I'm writing a grant proposal* and learning quite a bit.

* awful pun or spooky coincidence - you decide!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:55 / 04.12.07
If it's a marriage proposal I wouldn't bother.

He's still not really over what he did to Tiffany.
 
 
rizla mission
11:15 / 04.12.07
Well, recently, grant has let my band cover his song, which certainly improves our collective musical life a certain amount, and last week he sent me a drawing of a snowman shaped like a shoggoth which I've been meaning to make a reply to. He also posted a photograph on his weblog of an atom bomb a split second after it explodes, which was fairly awe-inspiring...

...and I see that this fairly obvious comedic misunderstanding has already been embodied by Jack Fear, so I'll stop now.
 
 
electric monk
11:36 / 04.12.07
I've met grant and his lovely wife. I have.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:52 / 04.12.07
The problem with moving it to the Conversation is that it opens up even more possibilities as to which Grant could be refered to! What if it's the bloke who wrote half of Red Dwarf?

Or, even more horrifyingly, this apparition...



GAHHHHHH! THE EYES!! THE E-E-EY-Y-Y-Y-YES!!!!
 
 
Mug Chum
12:08 / 04.12.07
Ok, who is that dude? It's about the 7th time I've seen him on the 'Lith and he scares me every goddamn time.
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:15 / 04.12.07
Richard E Grant - either a) funny thesp and onetime Doctor Who, who makes everyone chuckle as they recite their favourtie lines from his seminal work, Withnail and I - or b) really annoying twunt actor.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:25 / 04.12.07
That's Richard E Grant.

He put in a great (I think, but it's controversial on Barbelith) performance in 'Withnail And I' which is widely available, and you really ought to see. As a black comedy, it's better, even, than 'Harold And Maude'

Problem is that Grant, like the worst kind of hack, has been milking it ever since. Which would be fine if he was honest about it. Or at least, less of an arse.

But I don't know if that's a fair assessment. Guys? Over to you.
 
 
Dead Megatron
13:03 / 04.12.07
Reading Grant Morrison eventually lead me to this very interesting place, which changed my life!

Well, kind of...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:38 / 04.12.07
Is your life better though, DM, or worse? Or just different?
 
 
juju eyeballs
14:48 / 04.12.07
I read The Invisibles and now I have trouble sleeping at night.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:30 / 04.12.07
What particular aspects of the Holy Book do you find troubling?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:11 / 04.12.07
Daniel Johnston - No More pUshing Joe Around

Everybody's been burned - the Byrds



If the Grant being asked about is Grant Morrison, it's an interesting question. Often, and indeed in the discussion about this very thread, "Grant Morrison" and "the Invisibles" get mixed up and conflated, which certainly does the former few favours, if not necessarily the latter. I might go further and suggest that this is the first part of a road of identification that leads to Oddman, basically - believing that Grant Morrison is King Mob, and thus that to be his friend and to be a mogickal ninja assassin are pretty much identical conditions, and both to be aspired to.

The whole process by which one reads the Invisibles and decides that one should be, or simply is, a psychic warrior seems to be oddly determined to miss the point. It's like watching The Incredible Journey, being inspired by it, and deciding that, rather than seeking to use teamwork to achieve goals, or take the ties of friendship and family seriously, or even seek to make friends with people who might be expected not to be a friend of yours, one will instead be inspired to become two dogs and a cat, or embrace the spontaneity of Discordianism by memorising and repeating lines from the Principia Discordia.

Conversely and contrariwise, I think I learned a lot more from Zenith, and was more affected by it. Looking back, and having read around more, you can see the influences far more clearly, and the plots seem less intriguing and more prone to random deus ex machina. However, the style - which owes a lot to the dark, monochrome expressionism of Steve Yeowell's art, of course - had a great impact, as did the generally downbeat mood, the explicit identification of the world of the superhuman characters with the same depressing, Thatcherite world the reader inhabited and the amorality, interrupted with occasional bursts of altrusim, of the notional heroes. Zenith staggering into his flat, drunk, singing "The Queen is Dead" is such a perfect evocation of what being young in London is like that the London of the Invisibles seemed a bit picture-postcard and artificial by comparison (deliberately, no doubt - considering that it was aimed at an American audience and, even at its roots, approached its kitchen-sink realism in a highly stylised fashion).

Zenith also taught me that you didn't need many story elements for a satisfying story. Possibly my favourite single piece (unless you count Phase 3) was the Maximan interlude, where the simple depiction of one man feeling futile, missing his home and doubting whether the men he served with liked or respected him used the existing understanding of the backstory and the progression of the modern-day narrative to achieve a very satisfying and saddening emotional effect.

What I have learned is mainly about the structure of comics, and how his best work - in my entirely subjective opinion, Zenith, Kill Your Boyfriend, arguably St Swithin's Day, the Rock of Ages and Ultramarines stories in JLA (Classified) and Seaguy - is economical with its concepts, doesn't try to explain everything, and communicates a lot of emotion with relatively little verbiage. One telling thing about his work is how little people say, and how those things are often garbled, muttering, non sequiturs or fragments of speech. When somebody is settling down to explain for several pages what is going on - variously in Arkham Asylum, The Invisibles, in Zenith Phase 3 or The Fiilth, in particular, it feels like the air is being let out of the narrative. However, the wordy, weirdy, if-Alan-Moore-can-do-it-so-can-I bits I loved when I was an easily impressed young 'un, and I can see there appeal. They are just not something I feel I learn from much these days, in terms of style or imparted knowledge.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:05 / 04.12.07
Is your life better though, DM, or worse? Or just different?

Excellent question. I did learn a few very interesting new things, but the people who taught me them have left this place. Better? Worse? Aren't we all really on the same side?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:36 / 04.12.07
I agree - I miss alas, too.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:42 / 04.12.07
I was thinking Money $hot and Ganesh (not to mention our sovereign Jack Denfeld), but yeah, alas too...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:56 / 04.12.07
Haus that's some nice writing about Zenith right there.

Just wanted to say that.
 
 
Blake Head
20:58 / 04.12.07
Yes.
 
  
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