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The Writer's Ward

 
  

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grant
14:37 / 02.08.01
I want to spin off a game from the Burroughs/Solanas discussion.

The game? Name the mentally ill writer + name the mental illness!

Here's where it came from:

quote:Jackie sed:
not to mention Flyboy's point about the gendering of artistic craziness - name one famous mentally ill woman artist, anyone?* - which comes back to why nobody gives a shit that he shot someone).
* - depression doesn't count. It's got to be sexy-crazy, like Van Gogh or Artaud etc.

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grant sed:
Emily Dickinson. Certifiable.
Mary Shelley was also a bit *weird*.

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Ierne sed:
Virginia Woolf. She was way, way beyond depressed.
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YNH sed:
Mary Shelly was aort of weird? Cause she wore mens' hats and advocated equality for women? Emily and Virginia fall pretty clearly in depressed, particularly withng the context Jackie addressed. But whatever.



I'd like to broaden this to include male writers and to include depressed writers, and pretty much anyone who could have been institutionalized while they were alive for the things they did.

Why? Because it's fun, and because we might figure out something about how culture is created by its own margins.

Examples:
Ernest Hemingway - alcoholic, suicidally depressed.

William Burroughs - addict, "sexual deviant" (given the time he wrote in).

Emily Dickinson - severe shyness/anxiety disorders.

Sylvia Plath - suicidal depression. (did she also go through manic phases? I can't remember.)

Robert Lowell - mania (due to "too much salt on the brain" he later discovered.)

Eugene O'Neill - clinical depression.

So, who else? How else?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:50 / 02.08.01
William Styron: clinical depression.
 
 
z3r0
15:21 / 02.08.01
Every writer I know has trouble.

-Joseph Heller
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Writing is pretty crummy on the nerves.

-Paul Theroux

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I used to greet each morning spitting blood in the wash basin, having the night before gnashed the inside of my mouth while dreaming I had misplaced a comma in my writing of that day. . . . Years later a dentist asked me if I had a history of mental illness, because the mentally ill often exhibit the advanced molar grindings I did.

-Thomas Sanchez
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Now my nominees are:

Virginia Woolf
She had bipolar depression characterized by feverish periods of writing and weeks immersed in gloom.

Edgar Allan Poe
Paranoia and alcoholism

Sylvia Plath
Severe clinical depression throgh her entire life.
 
 
tracypanzer
16:05 / 02.08.01
My question is: are there any writers who don't have any issues, mentally? And if so, are they any good? John Grisham springs to mind...
 
 
The Strobe
16:27 / 02.08.01
Jeffrey Archer: Compulsive Liar.
Jilly Cooper: Writing Trash.

Even shite writers have their problems.

And John Grisham ain't a writer, he's a book-making-machine. Don't ask me how he does it.
 
 
priya narma
16:53 / 02.08.01
dylan thomas:
depression, alcoholism

oscar wilde:
sexual deviant (for the time period)

tennessee williams:
paranoia, depression, drug & alcohol addiction

graham greene:
several suicide attempts (would this be depression?)
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:40 / 02.08.01
Depression? Dependancy probs? Being gay? Peanuts.

I demand some properly mental writers. I want serial killer poets, romance writers who amputate their own toes, cannibalistic popular novelists, and I want them now.
 
 
ynh
18:31 / 02.08.01
Hm. As far as Graham Greene goes, I consider that as several attempts at doing us all a favor.
 
 
tracypanzer
18:38 / 02.08.01
Salvador Dali wrote some interesting stuff. And I heard Zadie Smith once killed a guy.
 
 
Ria
18:53 / 02.08.01
quote:Originally posted by tracypanzer:
My question is: are there any writers who don't have any issues, mentally?


does anyone not have them? I could go into a tirade about psychiatry and its language but choose not to here and now.
 
 
Ria
18:55 / 02.08.01
quote:Originally posted by tracypanzer:
Salvador Dali wrote some interesting stuff.


Dali: "the only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad."

J.G. Ballard (referring to quote above): "the difference between me and a madman is that I am mad."
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:56 / 02.08.01
quote:Originally posted by tracypanzer:
And I heard Zadie Smith once killed a guy.


That was me. I died of a broken heart.

 
 
gentleman loser
23:14 / 02.08.01
Philip K. Dick: drug addiction, hallucinations
 
 
gentleman loser
23:26 / 02.08.01
Oh yeah, not that I'm judging the guy on that (or anyone else for that matter).

In my own lifetime I've suffered from severe anxiety, clinical depression, minor hallucinations, pareidolia. . .

I say the world is insane. I am not.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
00:20 / 03.08.01
Actually, certain studies have shown that Poe died due to untreated rabies, rather than alcoholism.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
00:59 / 03.08.01
Here's a web page that lists alternative probable causes of Poe's death.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
13:33 / 03.08.01
Well, here's the vanilla for you: Stephen King, addicted to everything except the kitchen sink (but definitely including everything underneath the kitchen sink). Apparently he'd go down to the local variety store at 2:am for antifreeze and the like.
 
 
grant
13:41 / 03.08.01
quote:Originally posted by tracypanzer:
My question is: are there any writers who don't have any issues, mentally? And if so, are they any good? John Grisham springs to mind...


William Shakespeare?
Herman Melville?
JRR Tolkien?
Neil Gaiman?

I dunno if they had "issues" or not. While maybe a bit odd, I have a feeling they never really went into insane territory.
Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:03 / 03.08.01
quote:Originally posted by wembley:
Well, here's the vanilla for you: Stephen King, addicted to everything except the kitchen sink (but definitely including everything underneath the kitchen sink). Apparently he'd go down to the local variety store at 2:am for antifreeze and the like.



And he's currently going blind.
 
 
z3r0
17:38 / 03.08.01
Ooh! Ooh! How could I have forgotten him?
Fernando Pessoa, portuguese poet from early century XX.
Had severe schyzophrenia with four distincts personalities - each one with its own name, astral map and biography. They even wrote poems, and their style was COMPLETELY different between each other: one was an arcadian, the other a post-romantic etc.
Now THIS is nuts.
But the guy is actually acknowledged as the finest poet Portugal had since Luis de Camoes.
 
 
Ria
17:49 / 03.08.01
I only know Pessoa from having read about him... however it seems like he created those personalities as a literary exercise...

did he actually have schizophrenia? schizophrenia does not mean mutiple personalities. I mean I suppose he could have had both... what little I read didn't mention schizophrenia that I remember.

disclaimer: I think everyone has multiple pesonalities to varying degrees and don't mean to imply otherwise.
 
 
Ierne
18:31 / 03.08.01
Brendan Behan : Alcoholic Diabetic

Djuna Barnes: Depression due to sexual abuse during childhood & adolescence. Agoraphobic (refused to leave her house in later years) and vehemently antisocial. Addicted to alcohol and all sorts of pills.

Virginia Woolf was also sexually abused in childhood.
 
 
Dee Vapr
19:28 / 03.08.01
quote:Originally posted by wembley:
Well, here's the vanilla for you: Stephen King, addicted to everything except the kitchen sink (but definitely including everything underneath the kitchen sink). Apparently he'd go down to the local variety store at 2:am for antifreeze and the like.


It is well known that King wrote the "Tommyknockers" in 3 weeks whilst ripped to the tits on coke. Perhaps, unsurprisingly, it is a piece of shit book. a 700 page piece of shit book.

VONNEGUT - manic depressive, very possibly schizophrenic over some periods - coined the epithet linking depression to great art which I cannot recall at this time.
 
 
Ria
20:32 / 03.08.01
Dee, you mean epigram rather than epithet. epithet means curse. (I sound so picky today.)

oh I had wanted to mention Djuna Barnes but forgot.

sex with her grandmother. I had had read about that. did this consensual relations separate from the sexual abuse or did they mean that?

[ 03-08-2001: Message edited by: Kriztalyne ]
 
 
Mazarine
01:25 / 04.08.01
Strindberg- I'm not sure what his bag was officially, but I think he firmly believed Ibsen was out to get him, among many, many others. I think he sent Ibsen letters to that effect. His kind of crackers was doubtless some sort of paranoia.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
04:31 / 04.08.01
On that note, who was the writer who believed that the spirit of T.S. Eliot was stealing her food? And perhaps just as interestingly, who was the writer who published and encouraged her work because he'd had a similar experience?
 
 
Cavatina
06:47 / 04.08.01
Two eighteenth-century poets: William Collins (1721-59) and William Cowper (1731-1800), both of whom suffered from depression, the former late in his life, the later throughout. Cowper apparently had been abused at school by other students. In adult life he was troubled intensely by a sense of his own depravity. I've read one account in which he was described as an hermaphrodite.

Charlotte Perkins Gilman (1860-1935) chillingly exposed the treatment meted out to her and women of her time who suffered from post-partum depression in The Yellow Wallpaper (1892). She had a nervous breakdown following the birth of her child, suffered from bouts of depression throughout her life, and committed suicide.

The NZ author Janet Frame was diagnosed as schizophrenic, but her autobiographical novel Faces in the Water (1961) and her autobiography An Angel at My Table (1984) put this into question. Blame is placed on the societal oppression of women; and institutionalization and shock treatment are seen as modes of social control.
 
 
Pemulis / Dee Vapr / Hungrygho
06:47 / 04.08.01
From dictionary.com:

quote:Usage Note: Strictly speaking, an epithet need not be derogatory

Ithankyou

 
 
Mercury
12:18 / 05.08.01
Ijust wanted to thank zer0 for mentioning Pessoa. As a fellow countryman. He is considered indeed our finest poet, and his life and thought are quite complex in the way that one isn't related to the other at all. Pessoa was a "mild mannered" public official, but deeply interested in astrology, psychology, etc. He actually corresponded and befriended Aleister Crowley. He has a huge scope of work, both prose and poetry, but his poetry is in fact divided among several "personas", each with its own indiviudal style. I have to confess I haven't read much, but his "Alvaro de Campos" persona is my favourite, being a srot uf urban Walt Whitman.

I read a prose book, a tale, which I think could make a very interesting topic here: "The anarchist banker". It's a dialogue, a provocative dialogue, where one of the speakers actually proves that bankers are the best of anarchists.

- Mercury
 
 
Higher than the sun :)
13:28 / 05.08.01
Alistair Crowley-vd, addiction, Sexual devancy (for time period)

Grant Morrison-Alien Abductions, I'll health (life threataning).

Hunter S Thompson-Gun Nut, Drugs.

The Marqis De Sade-possible sexual deviant for any time period.

Coleridge-Opiates
 
 
Topper
09:09 / 06.08.01
William Faulkner - alcoholic, periodically institutionalized becaused of it

Bob Dylan - heroin addiction in part of the 70s

Jim Carroll - heroin

Jack Kerouac - alcoholism

Ken Kesey - acidhead

Zelda Fitzgerald - insanity, institutionalized

Thomas Pynchon - agoraphobic?

Pot not mentioned, though it probably includes most if not all of the above.

If it's of interest, other known homosexuals include Walt Whitman, Somerset Maugham, Gore Vidal, and Truman Capote (who was also a drug addict).

Also I apologize for not being able to attribute this quote, but I've read that "writers produce great work only when they're completely happy or completely miserable." There is no middle ground.
 
 
Jackie Susann
09:09 / 06.08.01
Golly, mental illness is funny, isn't it.
 
 
Templar
09:09 / 06.08.01
It often has "hilarious consequences."
 
 
Ierne
13:06 / 06.08.01
RE: Djuna Barnes
...sex with her grandmother. I had read about that. did this consensual relations separate from the sexual abuse or did they mean that? – Kritzalyne

This selfsame paternal grandmother sent Djuna off against her will to live with an older man. I also read that she was raped by either her father or a friend of her father with his permission.

Thank fuck she had the courage to write about it...check out Ryder or The Antiphon.

[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: Ierne ]
 
 
grant
16:04 / 06.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Jackie Nothing Special:
Golly, mental illness is funny, isn't it.



Funny ha-ha, or funny peculiar?
 
  

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