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Queen, it may not be cool but, as the freddie mercury bio-pic starring johhny dep goes into production, what do you love about them?

 
 
doctorbeck
07:40 / 28.11.07
i know this forum is a hotbed of radical music and good taste, but news that johnny dep is to play the Great Pretender in a new film made me wonder if i am the only closet queen fan on here?

my favourite songs have got to be another one bites the dust which despite being a Chic rip-off is just awesome dirty white funk that can move any dancefloor on earth. and i also have a soft spot for don't stop me now which is the best evocation of coked up sex i have heard.

as for freddie, you have to love the worlds campest man, fronting the three straighest men in the world, calling his band Queen for gods sake and then somehow remaining unouted to his fans for most of his career.

i saw queen live too, just befoer they stopped touring, it was as pomptasic as you would have hoped for.
 
 
Seth
07:56 / 28.11.07
Queen are undoubtedly one of the best bands I've ever heard. They zoom crazily around different genres like they're trying to cram in everything, they over-egg every pudding, they've got a stunning gift for melody and harmony, a knack for weird arrangements, wide-eyed with wonder humanism in lyrics that arguably no other band could pull off and they're totally unselfconscious and wildly unrestrained. Add to that one of the most eccentric and charismatic front men in rock and a dream list of extraordinary singles... as far as I'm concerned they exist in a special realm inhabited only by bands like The Flaming Lips. In fact the Lips are possibly the one band who deserve to be mentioned in the same breath.

I'm not sure about the casting of Johnny Depp though. But then I'm rarely sure about the casting of Johnny Depp...
 
 
Spaniel
10:07 / 28.11.07
Ah, Queen. I've never really been able to bring myself to, I'm afraid. I associate them with a set of grimy memories that have always sat awkwardly with my internal picture of myself. That is, of course, a roundabout way of saying that I've never quite been able to shake my distaste for the band, the feeling that they are somehow inherently hyper-naff, even when, in recent years, I've been able to see their merits considerably more clearly.

God I'm a snob.
 
 
doctorbeck
10:34 / 28.11.07
i think el directo makes a good case for you letting go boboss and immersing yourself in the kind of magic that is Queen. i never made the flaming lips connection before but now that i hear it it makes sense but it is their carefree musical promiscuity with everything turned up to 11 that makes them so much fun,
think of them more like girls aloud than the mars volta and it starts to make a kind of sense. rock music at its most pop, camp goes rock opera.

what tracks or video clips might change the mind of boboss?
the i want to break free video for starters?
 
 
Spaniel
10:36 / 28.11.07
It's not that I need my mind changed. I'd already considered a lot of the stuff you and ED have come up with, it's just that I can't ever see myself making the leap necessary to actually, you know, start listening to them.
 
 
doctorbeck
11:11 / 28.11.07
well i must be honest, i have never really made time to listen to queen either, other than seeing them live, and don't own any other record than the 12 inch of another one bites the dust,
but the music is out there, and when i come across some of it, i can enjoy it (like bohemian rhapsody in waynes world). i think it is more the Idea of Queen, and Freddie that i like.
 
 
Seth
11:47 / 28.11.07
Absolutely. You don't need to make time to listen to Queen. You don't even need to own any. I don't. In fact it's better if you don't, in exactly the same way that not owning any Beatles or Beach Boys or Bowie albums is much, much, much better than actually having them on your racks and being able to pull them out and play them whenever you want for the rest of your life innit. Who wants to live forever?
 
 
Spaniel
11:57 / 28.11.07
Life would be much more depressing if I didn't have my Bowie albums.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:32 / 28.11.07
What's next, is the big worry - Dire Straits? I'm sure some of you post-modern hipsters are fans of 'Telegraph Road', which is better than Isaac Hayes' cover of 'By The Time I Get To Phoenix'

I do understand about post-modern relativism, of course I do. But there's still no excuse for pretending that Queen, Genesis, Madonna, the Eurythmics, Bon Jovi or whoever are anything other than a disgrace, because being a fan of the material does, in itself, and objectively, I think, poison the consciousness.

Queen were dreadful, Culture Club were a nightmare, and as for Phil Collins, Wham! and Traci Chapman ... There was nothing funny about any of this.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:35 / 28.11.07
THE HATE-TRIX HAS YOU.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:35 / 28.11.07
Grandma, why do you hate white people?

Disgraceful old racist.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:00 / 28.11.07
In fact it's better if you don't, in exactly the same way that not owning any Beatles or Beach Boys or Bowie albums is much, much, much better than actually having them on your racks and being able to pull them out and play them whenever you want for the rest of your life innit.

Only up to a point though; 'Fat-Bottomed Girls' vs 'Ashes To Ashes'?

Queen are basically, and quite clearly I think, an awful group.

Even when they were trying their hardest, during 'One Vision', say; it's a good tune, all right. But they were so uncool. They had no style, no sense of how they were going to present themselves, except, perhaps, as this sort of abortive, Andrew Lloyd Webber/Tim Rice version of Led Zep, and they had no taste. Were Queen at least partly responsible for the end of the Utopian Sixties dream? I think they were, in a way. There's no other Seventies, hard rock band, let's face it, whose guitarist would have been quite so gauche as to play a solo on top of Buckingham Palace, on the Queen's birthday.

Even Iron Maiden, horrifically, might have turned that down.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:11 / 28.11.07
Grandma, why do you hate white people?

Disgraceful old racist.


That's not fair.

I have issues as long as your arm with Kravitz, for example. And Fiddy.
 
 
Spaniel
13:39 / 28.11.07
(Not really feeling Eurythmics's inclusion on the list of shame)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:41 / 28.11.07
Yes, it's almost as if the things Alex's Grandma writes on Barbelith are often not worth taking seriously.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:44 / 28.11.07
I'm sorry if that's a thorn in your side, Mr B.
 
 
Spaniel
14:18 / 28.11.07
No, just a jumble of lies
 
 
Char Aina
14:41 / 28.11.07
the only closet queen fan on here

Perhaps the only one in the closet... I mean, why hide it? Queen are awesome, and Freddy Mercury is the greatest frontman of his time. They are pop, sure, but who cares? The music is fantastic, however clean cut it sounds.

Anyone in any doubt as to the greatness of Mercury should watch the famous wembley concert. That man had serious skills, and singing was only one of them.

Pay particular attantion to the bit where he gets thousands of people singing call and answer with his 'deedaydup' stuff, at one point singing several bars of it in unison. The hairs on the back of your neck will stand up.


Alex, of course, hates gay people and people from Zanzibar.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:42 / 28.11.07
Why can't we give love... one more chance?
 
 
Char Aina
14:49 / 28.11.07
Why can't we give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love...
 
 
The Falcon
16:00 / 28.11.07
I do understand about post-modern relativism, of course I do.

...

...as for Phil Collins... There was nothing funny about any of this.


A boat that has surely already sailed, in a direction you will not be liking, given the - what is it they say? - 'reclamation' performed by whichever Satanic genii created that, frankly excellent, ad for Cadbury's.

"I can feel it, coming in the air tonight..."
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:49 / 28.11.07
Queen remind me of playing LEGO with my brother when I was...8? I used to love 'Killer Queen' and 'Flash', because it seemed like music written specifically for children (much like Madness or The Beatles). I don't suppose I considered what 'Killer Queen' might have been about beyond generel sci-fi weirdness, just like Madness' 'House of Fun' which when I was small I believed to be about a House. Of Fun.
I liked those tunes then, I like them now. But as Seth points out, actually owning or listening to them seems beside the point.
 
 
Bear
21:17 / 28.11.07
Life Critic is right, Seth is right.

Aaaaaay'oh
 
 
doctorbeck
12:49 / 29.11.07
freddie is right.

not sure liking queen is post-mod, but suspect there may be some rockist tendencies in not liking them. they were just fun, music for children? quite possibly. deeply reactionary? as only a gay zanzibarian can be (they did play apartheid south africa / sun city), but you know, they have a joycore quality that does not stand up to too much scrutiny.

i am not subtle enough to get the point about isaac hayes version of by the time i get to pheonix. but i was quite mad about it for several years at the start of the 90s.
 
 
ghadis
13:13 / 29.11.07
He's certainly right with his position on losers. I don't have any time for them either.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:16 / 29.11.07
doctorbeck: I believe the point is that "Telegraph Road" is nearly as long as "By The Time I Get To Pee Haitch Ee Oh En Aye Ecks Not Pee Haitch Oh Ee En Aye Ecks Regardless Of What The Oxford English Dictionary Tells You," but that duration in itself means nothing; only the color of the musicians' skin is a reliable indicator of quality.
 
 
Locust No longer
13:59 / 29.11.07
Queen is pure ear candy. But like candy, you can only eat so much. I, like Seth, never have owned an album (well I did but never listened to it) and I prefer it that way. I will always love Queen in those small doses-- something to cheer me up while lacing up my roller skates or possibly something to listen to on a roller coaster ride while trying to spit on people below. These are the ideal Queen times. Queen was also the first band I really ever paid attention to when I was a kid, discovering them while watching Christopher Lambert jump on car hoods or run across a wind swept beach with Sean Connery in Highlander. There my love grew and accompanied on many a night on eagles wing. If that's a fake love, please don't show me the real thing. Ultimately, the only thing quite clear about Queen is that Freddy Mercury has the best name ever. I also like the story about how he bashed a mirror over some poor minion's head for some reason or another and then made the poor guy clean up the shards. His life was art, my friends.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:17 / 29.11.07
I also like the story about how he bashed a mirror over some poor minion's head for some reason or another and then made the poor guy clean up the shards. His life was art, my friends.

Makes him sound like a real dick to me.

Queen are okay. My Parentals are fans so I kind of had it imprinted on me as a child. Outside of the occasional viewing of Highlander or Flash Gordon I can take them or leave them though. There were far worse bands out there at the time.
 
 
doctorbeck
06:56 / 30.11.07
freddie is like Dr Doom, his actions cannot be understood by the moral standards of mere mortals.
he lived the dream.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:42 / 30.11.07
Other similarities included a legion of robot duplicates at his beck and call, and an elastic-bodied nemesis.
 
  
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