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Papess
03:07 / 21.11.07
I don't know where else to turn for this, but over the years I have had experiences which really bungle me up. I don't ever consider myself psychic, but I do have what I am simply going to refer to as certain feelings or a strong intuition about circumstances or people. I especially get these feelings about my good friends, my child or family, and intimate partners (that I have had in the past). Now, I am not claiming any special powers, I think lots of people very well have these feelings, then again, some people don't care to pay attention to them. I do, as I think others here do as well.

Sometimes these feelings get very strong and can dominate my senses. This is where sometimes my "intuition" and my daily perception get their wires crossed. Some examples would be:

*Feeling the anguish or sometimes the joy of (especially the bad stuff though) of some loved one and being engaged in their experience instead of the one I am actually, physically in.
-This is bad for all sorts of reasons. It is probably best that I don't drive because I usually find myself switching between having my head in my hands and holding my gut feeling some very intense emotions that have very little to do with my immediate situation.

*Seeing the events play out to their completion. This isn't hard. Most people do this more or less. I think a lot of people may have the good sense to think of something else before they see their friends moving away, getting into a car accident, making a bad business decision, or getting ill.
-Some of the other difficulty I have is when I try and warn people. This is almost always a mistake. Either they end up blaming me for it, or they manage to take heed and avoid the problem and then say to me, "See, you were wrong!", which, quite honestly is probably the better outcome.
-However, there is another, personal side-effect to this where I become very despondent. It is like I have read the script, why do I need to act out the part? It can, and has, developed into serious depression.

Really, it doesn't take a bloody genius or psychic to figure out what happens in the end...we all bloody well die! That's what! So, the flipside to that is there have been times when I have sought out dangerous situations to try and add a little bit twist and inpredictability to life.

There can be some physical sensations that go along with these intuitions such as glazing over slightly and not being about to focus on, and sometimes not even hear what is going on around me. Sometimes a sensation like I am falling, where I might actually lose my balance, even fall. It could be accompanied with a sick feeling in my stomach, or a ringing in my ears, an inability to control my eyeballs, or the feeling that "my life force" is seeping out of my fingers or feet.

So, my intuition tells me that there are other people who may relate to some or all of this. I am curious about how others deal with intuition and premonition in relations to daily life. I have developed meditations that do help me, but I am always looking for different ways to do trick my mind back in it's place. How do others experience these intuitions? Are they overpowering sometimes and cause an inability to deal with the immediate? If so, how do you recover? If you have found a handy way to deal with them it would be great if you could share that. What clues can one look for to separate the sensations from the physical and immediate experience? When is a good time to share these feelings with others, if ever?

So, that is all for now. I hope this thread will be of benefit to others as well as myself.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
14:52 / 21.11.07
sorry, I'd like to help make this topic go, but I think my rare experiences are so different from yours that it won't be helpful. guess I can throw them out here on the off chance that they work for someone else - or just to bump what sounds like a good thread.

so when I have a, call it a premonition, it almost invariably happens when I'm asleep. like, I dream (sometimes over and over again the same night) that my friend is in a car wreck, and I'm finally woken up by the phone call telling me about the car wreck. not really very useful, never an opportunity to do something about it. also, not generally any clear difference between these dreams and some other night when I dream about a car wreck and nothing happens, or nights when I don't remember my dreams at all and something like a car wreck does happen.

I don't think these things for me are intended to serve any purpose - I think they're just a side-effect of me being close to certain people or feeling strong emotions from things that are about to happen.

As for the "crossed-lines" state you talk about - I don't think I've really felt that. The kind of weird state that grabs hold of me from time to time is more of a manic, anxious feeling that I need to do something, go somewhere, something important is about to happen - but I have no idea what. it can be very distracting and I've never found any easy way to deal with it. breathing helps I guess. but really, it's there until whatever it is that's going to happen, happens. and then I say "oh! guess that was it."

again, this almost seems like a side-effect - like something so important is about to happen to me that little emotional shockwaves are coming back the other direction and I'm being affected by it before it happens. though it has occasionally caused me to run out and be somewhere I wouldn't otherwise have been when the important thing happened, so maybe there is some purpose to it?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:54 / 21.11.07
I don't get those exact effects, but I do find myself from time to time dealing with very powerful experiences which could possibly be accounted for either as spiritual or psychic phenomenon, or as phantom input generated by a glitchy brain.

There's not always any easy way to verify the validity or otherwise of what has transpired, yet it's not necessary or desirable to dismiss the experience out of hand.

In my case it's particularly important to adopt a flexible interpretation because I have various neurological and psychiatric issues that can at times throw up realistic but non-valid experiences, from smells, sounds and colours to mood-specific delusions. Yet it would be unhealthy to dismiss everything that isn't 100% concrete as an hallucination or a delusion, because much of what I get does seem to have a degree of external validity and rejecting it would be a mistake.

I find that the best thing to do is to honour the experience by recording it in as much detail as possible and allowing myself to experience any negative emotions or other effects it may have brought up, without wedding myself to any rigid interpretation of it. Just sit with it for a bit, maybe discuss it with people I trust to give me useful input, ask a friend for a divination, or whatever. If you have People you wiork with closely, then asking Them for further input and clarification can be useful.

I would recommend more grounding excercises to deal with the overload. I find that sitting on the ground, preferably with my back against a tree, really helps. You might also try cool showers, and washing your hands and feet reularly throughout the day.
 
 
gravitybitch
03:00 / 22.11.07
The descriptions of the physical aspects sound like you might go into trance easily - I'd second the recommendation for grounding exercises, and ask if it's possible for you to add yoga or a martial art to your schedule?
 
 
Papess
03:31 / 22.11.07
The kind of weird state that grabs hold of me from time to time is more of a manic, anxious feeling that I need to do something, go somewhere, something important is about to happen - but I have no idea what. it can be very distracting and I've never found any easy way to deal with it. breathing helps I guess. but really, it's there until whatever it is that's going to happen, happens. and then I say "oh! guess that was it."

That I relate to King. It sometimes drives not only me batty, but others around me. Not being able to explain it properly is difficult too. It is in these situations that I really wish I knew what to do. I have found only hanging with people who understand these kinds of things helps, but that is not always possible. Funny things is, with the people who get it, we usually get the same sensations at the same time, about the same things. I have had other friends or family just freak on me because I can't explain to them why I wouldn't go into a store, or cross a street....or whatever. Sometimes, I have made stuff up, which doesn't always work out, either.

BTW, I do use breathing exercises to help focus and calm myself down. It is the easiest measure to take, especially in a public place.


Now, you mention anxiety, King, and Mordant mentions: In my case it's particularly important to adopt a flexible interpretation because I have various neurological and psychiatric issues that can at times throw up realistic but non-valid experiences...

This I have been wondering about because I have some psychological issues, one of them being anxiety. Could the anxiety be a result of the intuition, at least in part? It feels a bit like a chicken-egg ordeal to me.

Also, I thank you for the suggestions, Mordant. Keeping a log is a very good idea to help separate the "episodes" from the genuine intuition. Being flexible is definitely important. Getting worked up over some of the tricks my mind can play on me can be quite dangerous even, for me.

Truthfully, I have been reluctant to think much of any of this. I know something is going on because I have been checking this for over 25 years. There is some interference I need to clear up, but I can't dismiss this "intuition" entirely. It's interesting you mention the hand washing, because that is usually my instinct, to get water, wash my hands and splash my face. I have never thought of washing my feet too, however.

I appreciate the advice and sharing. I will come back with more when I can.
 
 
Papess
03:39 / 22.11.07
Cross-post with Izabelle.

My mom used to always tell me to "Snap out of it! It's like you're in a trance!" You just reminded me of that.

Yoga, yes. That is excellent. So would be taking a martial art, and gosh would I love to.

As a side note: I am moving (yes, again!), so the whole idea of grounding work is not easily achieved, ATM. I will look into these things in my new community. Gosh, I can't wait to get my roots down so I can grow some more!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:04 / 22.11.07
I think something you might need to work on is boundary issues. It sounds like you don't have a real sense of your own boundaries. This is bad in one's coff-coff-20pintheswearjar "mundane" life, but it can get really nasty in magical/psychic contexts. Maybe look at the way you construct boundaries between yourself and others, and between times when it's okay to be open to these experiences and times when you need to drive down to the bank. If you're finding that what's happening to you is having a negative impact on your life then that needs to be addressed.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:07 / 22.11.07
Can I ask what grounding excercises you do? I think we might be using the terms a little differently. Another thing to work on is centering excercises.
 
 
Papess
14:04 / 22.11.07
"I think something you might need to work on is boundary issues. It sounds like you don't have a real sense of your own boundaries...If you're finding that what's happening to you is having a negative impact on your life then that needs to be addressed."

Yes, I do have boundary issues. I have struggled very, very hard to correct this. Truthfully, this issue was a monster and I think I have it down to annoying-squirrels-in-the-rafters.

Another thing to work on is centering excercises.

This is something I do through sitting meditation. Bringing myself back to the breath is very centering, and I use that focus to bring myself back to centre when I am overwhelmed by these sensations and phenomenon. Centering I do along with regular banishing and purification. These things seem to work together. I do a very powerful Vajra Heruka practice (a purification deity) and recite the Heart Sutra and mantra, which has banishing and centering qualities.


Can I ask what grounding excercises you do? I think we might be using the terms a little differently.

Yes, I think you may be right there. I have been trying to consider and contemplate what you mean and how it would relate to my tradition and practices. Interestingly, it occurred to me that I still have not finished my Ngöndro practices, which are foundation practices. I think this may create some of the same grounding effect if I complete them.

However, I don't think that is what you meant.

Although, it could be because I don't have good grounding practices, and/or these foundation practices completed, why I easily fall off my centre and out of sorts. Which, is exactly what it feels like for me, emotionally, mentally, and as I mentioned, sometimes physically.

Anyway, Mordant, I would be interested to know what you actually do mean in regards to grounding.
 
  
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