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How much class privilege do you have?

 
  

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Lurid Archive
07:54 / 07.11.07
I score higher on Glenn's test because my parents are immigrants, and so speaking a foreign language and going on holiday overseas - to visit the relatives - gets points, which I don't think is the model intended.
 
 
jentacular dreams
08:34 / 07.11.07
Same for me - sixteen on Glenn's (but then the two aren't really comparable).
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
15:48 / 08.11.07
I think - I'm stealing this from Walter Benn Michaels, actually - that the class as culture can serve an ideological purpose in that it avoids discussion of class as economics and so one can happily oppose class privilege without the smallest commitment to changing the primary and economic mechanism that keeps the privilege in place.

YES YES YES STRONG TRUTH!!!1!11!

I think this unifies and makes sense of just about everything i think and feel about class...

Who Walter Benn Michaels?

As for the test, i score 10 (or 9, or 11, depending on definition-wrangling) on the original test, and 10 or 11 again on the UK-modified version - however, on both versions the majority of my points come from class-as-culture rather than class-as-economics, and for some the reasons i get the points are due to things i would see as disadvantages rather than advantages (e.g., on the UK version the question "Extended family is geographically spread-out" is more because of family violence/major fallings-out than any other factors, and on the original one unawareness of heating bills is because my parents refused to talk to me about anything to do with money). (Lurid's point about immigrant parents is another arguable example of the same thing...)

Class-as-culture, IMO, is put bluntly a pile of shite. I have a first class degree from a Russell Group uni. I'm also dole scum with no realistic prospects of ever getting a meaningful job or (unless i manage to find a disability-friendly housing co-op) not having to beg/borrow/steal every month to pay the rent. Yet, primarily because of my accent and vocabulary (and, paradoxically, things like my "non-fashionable", charity-shop-bought clothes, which i wear because a) i don't care about fashion and b) they are the cheapest option, rather than because of any kind of subcultural chic), people tend to read me as "middle class" or "privileged". (Lack of stereotypical gender presentation may well also have something to do with this.)

I think there is an argument, although i might not myself go quite as far as to actually argue it, that, due to the profound anti-intellectualism of Anglophone (particularly IME male Anglophone) culture, in which any kind of intellectualism outside an extremely narrow range of right-wing, economics-oriented intellectualism (as exemplified by the Russell Group unis, unfortunately), tends to be seen as valid reason for mockery, social exclusion and general vilification, that quite a few of the "class-as-culture" questions in these tests may actually, in everyday life, be positive disadvantages...

BTW, my presumptions were that US "college" = UK university (as opposed to FE college, which is either the precursor to university or for much more vocational, stereotypically-working-class-oriented courses), US "high school" = UK grammar or secondary school, and IRA in the US means something other than Irish Republican Army...

Oh, and IMO "grateful" isn't a useful emotion for anyone to feel about anything... but i think a concept interrogation of gratitude deserves another thread...
 
 
Jack Fear
16:16 / 08.11.07
I would be grateful if you would start such a thread. Or would I?
 
 
EvskiG
20:12 / 08.11.07
For those who are interested, here's a class calculator from the New York Times a short while back. Part of an interesting series on social class.

U.S.-centric, of course.
 
 
astrojax69
06:55 / 09.11.07
i only got five, unless you count a mate of dad's teaching me to kick a football with both feet 'lessons'... and i had my own room, but my two sisters shared - so that is a plus by virtue of sibling's genders. not sure what it tells me though. i've never really been conscious of 'class' as my parents owned a small business and dad played golf at a nice course whose fellow members comprised a broad spectrum of 'classes'; though of course, we're all conscious of privilege. and the prats that abuse it 'cause they're rich and/or famous. media empires revolve around it...
 
 
Saturn's nod
08:52 / 11.11.07
Thanks to everyone who joined in on this, I've been finding it really interesting to read what people have to say.

The Quaker discussion as far as I followed it headed towards the issue of how class privilege gets used accidentally to make activist groups exclusive. The Class Matters site seems pretty interesting as I haven't encountered too many activist contexts that really take class prejudice/privilege seriously as a problem in activism.
 
 
Rage
00:19 / 13.11.07
I was raised in an upper middle class home and abused pretty horribly. Treated like I was poor as hell. Blamed for all the problems of my family. etc. Solution? Doing photo shoots in junkyards, of course!
 
 
HCE
02:01 / 13.11.07
How were you treated like you were poor while being raised by an upper middle class family? Were you given insufficient, poor-quality food? Made to work instead of being allowed to go to school?
 
 
Rage
02:05 / 13.11.07
I would rather not talk about it in a public forum.
 
  

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