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Leonard cohen - the book of longing, his past present and future plans.

 
  

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doctorbeck
08:35 / 22.10.07
was at the barbican on saturday to see the collaboration between leanord cohen and philip glass, basically glass sets 20 or so of his poems to music, which was glass by numbers as far as i could hear, with some occasionally interesting and sometimes poor vocal interpretations (at their worse like stagey am dram light opera).

highlight was a QandA with glass and cohen, lennie looked frail but had a clearly lively mind and dodged attempts at the earnest questioners wanting him to explain 'what life was all about' since he attained enlightenment on a mountain buddhist retreat after 7 years (an idea he was keen to disabuse people of).

anyhow the upshot is lennie is skint having being defrauded by his accountant while up there and is going to tour next year, and he and glass are on about making an opera out of beautiful losers.

now i'm a fan, though haven't really listened much in 20 years (since i'm your man came out)but just on the basis of how much pleasure i got from lennie speaking i would go see him on tour, and was wondering how he stands with you all?
 
 
Hieronymus
20:07 / 22.10.07
A rabid, RABID Leonard Cohen fan. Have been since I first heard Everybody Knows. Can't remember off the top of my head if we have any similar threads laying about, but if not, we damn well should.

Someone told me I should look into Anjani's Blue Alert, as it's a beautiful Cohen-assisted album in its own right. Didn't know he was working with Philip Glass though.

And you should check out the recent issue of Shambhala Sun. Past the thick New Agey Ads is an article going into his recent work and why financially he needs to peddle his wares, so far in his age.
 
 
doctorbeck
12:22 / 23.10.07
pleased to ehar that it is not just me and thanks for the article tip off.

was wondering (if anyone but me and you are readnig) if lennie was asked to play the All tomorrows parties 'don't look back' season where an artist plays a classic lp in full, which would people choose. for me it has to be 'death of a ladies man', just to hear him sing those crazy drunken hollers of songs in front of a 100 peice orchestra,l with phil spector, bob dylan and alan ginsberg on backing vocals (tho at least one of them is dead).
 
 
rizla mission
12:56 / 23.10.07
anyhow the upshot is lennie is skint having being defrauded by his accountant while up there and is going to tour next year, and he and glass are on about making an opera out of beautiful losers.

I remember reading an article in the paper a while back about Cohen's fruad case / financial mismanagement that stated that a lack of funds had forced him to "return to work".

The rest of the article made clear that by "work", they meant making records, playing concerts, publishing books etc., but for a moment I had a glorious image of Uncle Len temping at an insurance office or working as a fry-cook or something...

That said though, I've found his last couple of records - and in fact everything from the '80s onward to be honest - to be alternately sloppy, baffling, lazy and borderline unlistenable, and the suggestion that he probably wouldn't have even bothered making the last two except that he needed the dough doesn't exactly encourage me to keep on searching for hidden genius.

Likewise, I'm not much of a fan of Philip Glass, and their team-up just sounds silly.

I really liked some of his recent poems that I happened to read though!
 
 
doctorbeck
08:34 / 24.10.07
agree that lennie hasn't made a good lp since i'm your man, but live i can't imagine him playing much new material and hopefully production wise he will have learnt a thing or two from johnny cash and kris kristopherson and strip it all back to basics.

the glass / cohen team up was silly, but not as silly as the cohen / phil spector one in the 70s.
 
 
This Sunday
08:37 / 24.10.07
Bird on the Wire buys one a lot of so-so or fuckingaround time. At least, for my metaphoric money.

Honestly can't do him on heavy rotation, but he's great surprise punctuation music.
 
 
Janean Patience
10:18 / 24.10.07
agree that lennie hasn't made a good lp since i'm your man

I can't agree with that, because The Future is probably my favourite Cohen album and Ten New Songs isn't too far behind. Admittedly the last one was rubbish, but IIRC it was meant to be an experimental low-key release and only became "the new Leonard Cohen" because of his financial problems.

Another massive Cohen fan checking in. It all began with Everybody Knows for me, too, a song which I heard in the Atom Egoyan film Exotica. It's the soundtrack to a striptease in the movie, which looking back I find a little unlikely. Even in a Canadian strip club they recognise the importance of keeping the customers upbeat, surely? I heard the song in about 1997 and downloaded it off Napster three years later. Ten New Songs was my first album, I think because it was cheap, and there are some fantastic songs on there, Boogie Street and In My Secret Life especially. Okay, texturally they suffer from being too similar to each other but what Cohen album's free of that?

I meant to start a thread like this because I wanted to rave about a new album of Cohen covers (always something of a cottage industry) called, unhelpfully, I'm Your Man. The show it comes from, performed in New York and Australia, was called Came So Far For Beauty which makes much more sense as a title but because an accompanying documentary film was made and titled after the Len's most famous album the soundtrack got renamed as well. Anyway. It's got a host of artists doing various songs and I'm deeply in love with Teddy Thompson's Tonight Will Be Fine. It's so yearning, so closed off, so perfect in its pessimism. Perhaps it helps that I'm not familiar with the original, but in the last few weeks when I'm home it's only a matter of time before it's on and I'm somewhere else, in that room where the windows are small and the walls are bare. It's stark, hopeless, beautiful. And funny, of course. Len never forgets to be funny.

Antony's If It Be Your Will is astonishing, more so on film than on the CD, Nick Cave's Suzanne refreshes Cohen's most famous song, and though Martha Wainwright's quaver annoyed me watching the movie her versions of Tower Of Song and The Traitor are emotionally spot-on. And Rufus does Everybody Knows, a standard you'd be scared to approach, but manages to make the song his own; a little bit showtune, a little bit vicious, wonderful. If you're going to buy a Leonard Cohen covers album I recommend this one.
 
 
Lea-side
13:14 / 24.10.07
I thought that covers album was called 'Im Your Fan'? or am I thinking of a different one? (there have been a few...)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:26 / 24.10.07
JP's talking about a new one. I'm Your Fan is from 1991.
 
 
Janean Patience
13:49 / 24.10.07
I'm Your Fan has some great stuff on it, but I'm Your Man (just a bit confusing, yeah?), taken from the Came So Far For Beauty shows, is more unified. Everyone's working with the same backing band and musical director so it flows much more. Martha Wainwright will lead on a couple of tracks then sing backing vocals on the next few, that kind of thing.

Leonard Cohen covers have long been a cottage industry and seem to be more and more common as the record industry seeks to promote singer-songwriters who perhaps haven't got full albums of songs. The solution always seems to be dipping into Cohen or Tom Waits's back catalogue, and to eliminate their ideosyncratic voices with someone who sings real nice and pretty-like. Madeleine Peyroux's version of Dance Me To The End Of Love is a fine example.
 
 
doctorbeck
13:57 / 24.10.07
i must admit to being a great fan of john cages hallelujah, very simple, very profound, even more than the jeff buckley version. it is just sublime. and also the jesus and mary chains tower of song (bob dylans favourite lennie song incidentlally) is as near perfect as a lennie cover gets, the jamc erally get to the world weary nub of the song and then smother it is guitar noise and resignation. though the original is near perfect songwriting, the production sounds like an early phil collins lp.

will go back to The Future* this evening (on a recomendation from here) as i never got into it at the time.

*forgive my turn of phrase.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:01 / 24.10.07
It all began with Everybody Knows for me, too, a song which I heard in the Atom Egoyan film Exotica.

Yeah it was Everybody Knows in the teen-angst rabble-rousing movie Pump Up The Volume that got me started. I heard his voice for the first time and the lyrics completely hypnotized me.

i must admit to being a great fan of john cages hallelujah, very simple, very profound, even more than the jeff buckley version

The Jeff Buckley version is so obnoxiously self-indulgent...

That said though, I've found his last couple of records - and in fact everything from the '80s onward to be honest - to be alternately sloppy, baffling, lazy and borderline unlistenable, and the suggestion that he probably wouldn't have even bothered making the last two except that he needed the dough doesn't exactly encourage me to keep on searching for hidden genius.

I agree, rizla, some of his most recent fare like Dear Heather work better as poetry than the songs they were formed into. Undertow is a great poem but a non-starter song. But Ten New Songs is one of his best albums, I think. Boogie Street, A Thousand Kisses Deep and the like.

It's strange. I know a lot of people that either like younger Leonard or older Leonard. Very few people love them both.

I did buy his recent book of poems, Book of Longing, and have to say it underwhelmed me. If anyone is looking to delve into the man and his poetry, I cannot recommend highly enough Stranger Music, a compilation of his poetry tomes and songs over the last 50 years.

Is the documentary you're talking about, Janean, actually focused on him or the fans/artists doing covers of his work? From the trailer, it looked like a lot of cheap self-aggrandizing by artists who like him and want to fellate their own talents but not much on ol' Jikhan himself.
 
 
Janean Patience
15:46 / 24.10.07
I know a lot of people that either like younger Leonard or older Leonard. Very few people love them both.

It's the older Cohen for me. I don't have too many of the older albums and though I love particular songs on them I find them a bit empty, musically, sometimes. Sparse arrangements and basic production means the songs are indistinct without putting them on heavy rotation.

Is the documentary you're talking about, Janean, actually focused on him or the fans/artists doing covers of his work? From the trailer, it looked like a lot of cheap self-aggrandizing by artists who like him and want to fellate their own talents but not much on ol' Jikhan himself.

Cohen's interviewed and songs fade down and up to accomodate these sections and a skeletal life story. Lots of the songs on the soundtrack aren't there. Few are shown in full. (Antony's is and it had me transfixed.) The artists involved in the show pay tribute and tell anecdotes, Rufus W. being a close friend of his daughter able to give a personal perspective. And at the end he performs Tower of Song with U2 in a separate little bit filmed in what looks like an old-fashioned strip club. U2, okay, but Leonard's still hypnotic.

The artists covering the songs seemed to have fairly pure motives, too. The love of Leonard and the inspiration, though that's an odd word to use in the context of his music, he'd given them came through. Doing a show in New York and Melbourne that you're probably not getting mightily paid for shows the respect there is for his work.
 
 
doctorbeck
07:08 / 25.10.07
i just have to admit the extent of my fandom, i decided to hitchike to greece and spend my 21st birthady on Hydra, the greek island where lennie lived at the time, and where that pic from the back of the cover of songs from a room was taken (is that marriane in it?). this was 1989, the locals referred to him as 'leonardo' and were an interersting and fairly bohemian bunch. i got my pic taken on the step but he wasn't at home.

have to come out in favour of early len, mainly because i prefer the largely acoustic production. tho have a soft spot for the i'm your man lp because the songs are so strong.
 
 
Janean Patience
12:13 / 25.10.07
The solution always seems to be dipping into Cohen or Tom Waits's back catalogue, and to eliminate their ideosyncratic voices with someone who sings real nice and pretty-like.

A longer post on LenCo covers albums to follow, but I just found out Katie Melua covered the sublime In My Secret Life. Gah. These people should leave well alone. Cohen's life's work is not your fucking fallback album track songbook.
 
 
Janean Patience
07:56 / 30.10.07
It wasn't actually I'm Your Fan I was thinking of above but Tower Of Song. Both are covers albums: the first was put together by French rock mag Les Inrockuptibles and features REM, The Pixies, Nick Cave (and their version of Tower Of Song might be the same one credited to The Jesus & Mary Chain above? I've had no luck finding a JAMC version) when those were still indie acts. The latter album has more MOR big names: Sting, Billy Joel, Elton John. The ideal album is put together from bits of both, if you ask me. Elton John makes an awful cabaret of I'm Your Man just as Nick Cave does later. It's a cabaret song, perhaps, but with Leonard singing it's an awfully dark cabaret and the next act's going to hang himself live on stage to scattered applause.

And Jeff Buckley's Hallelujah is pretty fantastic, you know. Yes, everyone's into it and I've heard it on mid-morning Radio 2, but it kicks ass nonetheless.

What's not been talked about much here is the poetry of the lyrics, if that's not tautological. Cohen can do more in a couplet than others can in a whole song:

You win a while
And then it's done
Your little winning streak


You see that? That's your youth, the glory and power and seemingly inevitable success of it in three lines. Summed up without regret, without anger, just with melancholy acceptance.

And everything depends upon
How near you sleep to me


The line between love and obsession, between love that heals and restores and its dark side, the need to possess and the pain of rejection, is never there in Cohen's work. It reminds me a little of Larkin; the good and the bad are accepted, embraced, equally.
 
 
doctorbeck
11:33 / 02.11.07
my fav couple of lines are:

all i ever learned from love
was how to draw on someone who outdrew ya

(hallelujah) there you go, the tragedy and bitterness of a love gone wrong, the futility of your repsonse to that and said again with a resigned sadness and not even a hint of anger.

and it makes me smile, as 'outdrew ya' is such such a dreadful rhyme for 'hallelujah'.
 
 
Hieronymus
18:34 / 02.11.07
One of my favorite lines, and I've used this in countless occasions, is:

But come, my friends, be not afraid. We are so lightly here.
It is with love that we are made. And in love we disappear.
 
 
Good Intentions
05:05 / 08.11.07
I once heard a critic talk about his pet LC theory, that people have trouble with LC albums released after the first one he/she heard, getting progressively more difficult as the release date moves on and the music appears to get cheesier. I used to be guilty of this, having dropped in with the first 'best of' disc and having trouble with everything after New Skin for the Old Ceremony accordingly. I used to think that Various Positions was 80s schlock. I was cured of this, luckily, by the passing of time and listening to the thing repeatedly, and am convinced that as much-loved as LC is, he's almost universally underappreciated as a musician. In 10 years the rest of you unbelievers will realise that Dear Heather actually is a remarkable piece of music, one in which LC as the man with his name on the cover hardly exists, and is a chronicle of him being whispered away by time.
 
 
Good Intentions
05:26 / 08.11.07
Through the days of shame that are coming
Through your nights of wild distress
Tho'your promise counts for nothing
You must keep it nonetheless
 
 
johnny enigma
08:36 / 30.11.07
I have a family member who puts on leonard cohen when he wants everyone to go home at the end of parties.

Family ancedotes aside, I have to say that cohen is one of the all time genius songwriters, though I'm not overly keen on the sound of his voice. I'm more into his early stuff (ha, I love how often pretentious muso types like me use that phrase), basically because I don't really like the eighties production on the later stuff.

Oh, and one of the novels he wrote, which I think is called " My Favourite Game" is absolute genius and well worth reading if you're a fan of his wordplay. The good thing about him getting swindled is that loads of his written work is probably going to get reissued, and there's alot of good stuff there. One of the other things you can say in his favour is that he's one of the few people who's accomplished as a musician, poet and novelist (the clever git).
 
 
doctorbeck
09:14 / 14.03.08
tickets now on sale for 4 nights at manchester opera house from ticket master, an eye watering £160 a pair, all for lennies retirement fund.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
12:31 / 14.03.08
Got tickets for the show at Edinburgh Castle - I'm surprised the Manchester ones cost that much! I got 3 for Edinburgh for only a bit more than that...
 
 
doctorbeck
14:17 / 14.03.08
i think it is a relatively small venue in manchester so prices are higher to cover costs. poor londoners only get to see him at the 02 arena. how crap will that be?

also see he is playing the big chill and glastonbury festivals too, the chill could be good though the founder resigned this year and sold his share to an events company from what i can see so i expect it to be, overall a more corporate event than ever.

is that playing in the grounds of edinburgh castle or in some great old banquet hall?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
15:45 / 16.03.08
I'm not sure, actually - I assume it's going to be where the Tattoo is, but really don't mind. I am actually a Londoner but I'm making the trip up North to the family because I think that Edinburgh Castle is going to be cooler than the O2...
 
 
Janean Patience
22:05 / 17.03.08
I tried in vain to get Manchester tickets, even though I could find nobody to come with me. By Friday night they were no longer on sale and going for £400 a pair on eBay, with the bidding lively. I'm not entirely sure of my motives for wanting to go. Can he even sing in the studio anymore, let alone live? He talked his way through a lot of Dear Heather and through his recent induction into the Rock Hall of Fame. Would it work? Would I rather have seen the Came So Far For Beauty tour?

I presume there'll be a new album out to go with this. Good Intentions above said that we'll all one day be laughed at for not liking Dear Heather, just as those who said I'm Your Man was too synth-heavy are now disparaged as fools. Did anyone here like Dear Heather?
 
 
petunia
22:48 / 17.03.08
Insider knowledge - the tickets for the 19th of June at Manchester are yet to go onsale. Apparently, information on their sale will be included in the Gaurdian on April 4th.

Second chance for those who still want but didn't get.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:26 / 18.03.08
I wonder if LC isn't really a buster?

Had his accountant/business manager (allegedly) not run off with most of the cash while LC was on top of Mount Baldy, being zen, would this tour be on the agenda?

He's not as down as the Swans, he's not as a pastoral as Nick Drake, he's not as meaningful as Dylan, so where does that leave him?

I own a few of his albums, but I don't play them very much - to the extent that I do, a lot of the material seems self-important. What is LC sayng that wasn't put better by, say, The Doors, Jacques Brel, or Half Man Half Biscuit, in their later, decadent phase?
 
 
doctorbeck
11:01 / 18.03.08
completely agree that jaques brel said it better, lyrically and musically, but lennie is still alive so that makes hima goer in my book. and much as i love dylan he is an erratic live artist (though brilliant recently)

i think i am going more for a nostalgia for my teen angst years than a massive interest in him as an artist hear and now. but he wrote some killer songs, made my smile and made me if not cry, then to think it might not be so bad if i did and was the most remarkable and funny raconteur at the barbican this year. so yes, i'll be there.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
11:24 / 18.03.08
Janean Patience: Did anyone here like Dear Heather?

Possibly unsurprising, I did. I mean, it obviously sounds like an end of career album - the guy sounds pretty unwell, does much more talking than singing, and it's undeniably patchy. But I like the way it addresses these things - particularly in the song Dear Heather itself, where he actually stops using words, instead starting to spell increasingly large parts of the chorus out loud. It's like he knows that he is, to an extent, losing it, and we have to take part in that and listen to it rather than have something that hides it a bit more.

I don't like it in the way that I like, e.g., Various Positions or The Future, because it's not as good. But what I think it is good at is communicating how much of this person's talent and intellect we (we = people who buy and enjoy Leonard Cohen albums) have enjoyed in the past and how, whilst that talent and intellect are fading and fragmenting they are still in evidence and still producing something that we can listen to and enjoy...
 
 
doctorbeck
14:26 / 18.03.08
interesting points about lennies fragility in recent years. he seemed in good intellectual health at the barbican and was very very funny, was slim and as healthy as a man in hsi 70s ought to be. in fact he looked better than he did on the cover of i'm your man.

now, what are the odds on a synth-tastic musical evening, like it was 1984 again or will we be looking forward to a more stripped down johnny cash / kris kristopherson type of affair? personally hoping for the latter but could live with the former.

regarding tickets, i don't think anyone in manchester got better than row S from the websites, looks like the tout agencies had an inside track on all the good ones. which is clearly a disgrace
 
 
doctorbeck
14:30 / 18.03.08
>Tower Of Song might be the same one credited to The Jesus >& Mary Chain above? I've had no luck finding a JAMC >version

sorry should have said earlier, it is on the rollercoaster ep they put out sometime around 1990. it is awesome.
 
 
Janean Patience
21:05 / 18.03.08
the tickets for the 19th of June at Manchester are yet to go onsale.

Thanks for the tip-off, petunia. I did notice they weren't on Ticketmaster. Normally I'd think out waiting until a few days before to pick up a solitary ticket cheap, but I guess Cohen fans aren't going to be scared of being alone.

Vincennes: whilst that talent and intellect are fading and fragmenting they are still in evidence and still producing something that we can listen to and enjoy...

I meant to listen to Dear Heather tonight in the light of that. As a late convert who finds the earlier albums hard to get into, I didn't think of Len as a fading force. If you consider it as the dissolution of an identity, the slow exploding of what Leonard Cohen was and what he signified, perhaps it's better.

Instead I listened to Britney Spears's Blackout. To which your statement equally applies.
 
 
petunia
21:09 / 18.03.08
J P - It's worth giving ticketmaster a call every now and then - there are often tickets put back into the system as cards get declined and touts get caught. I managed to get two extra tix for bjork at the appollo on a total off-chance a few months after they went on sale.

Do make sure to ask for single seats and restricted view: the Opera House's circle's classed as restricted view cos of a really low handrail, but their probably the best seats in the house.
 
 
doctorbeck
09:31 / 24.06.08
anyone else see him live this week? it was brilliant, just a shade under 3 hours long, a real career retrospective to a clearly loving audience in a great intimate venue (manchester opera house) with a very good band, 3 backing singers and 6 musicians, plus lennie playing guitar on some of the older tracks.

the highlights, and bulk of the set were from the middle period stuff of i'm your man (most of the lp played), various positions (an outstanding hallelujah) and the future. funny but i used to love the first few lps and really liked hearing the songs from there live but the later stuff just had more substance (depsite ocasionally bland arrangements). tower of song was great, lennies one finger keybord solo eliciting a warm ovation.


and lennie, was just lovely, full of life, humour, humility abd a real commitement to the material and performing again. a really magical night out.
 
  

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