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ynh
19:35 / 16.07.01
I finished The Wonderful Wizard of Oz yesterday. It was the 2000 annotated version, which broke it up a lot, but had some inteteresting bits: Salman Rushdie wondering why everything was so great in Munchkinland if the Wicked Witch of the East was an enslaving dictator, comparisons with the movie, references to The Baum Quarterly, some kind of fanzine.

Regarding the Sandman stuff: the west edge of Oz is the shifting sands even!
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:14 / 16.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Rex City-zen:
I finished The Sun Also Rises by Hemmingway.By the end of the book I was an alcoholic.
And impotent...

But was it raining?

Finished The Surgeon of Crowthorne by Simon Winchester last night. S'good - OED and wordy larks. And self-mutilation - mmm.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
20:04 / 17.07.01
Best book I've read in the past week: far and way Nickel & Dimed: On (Not) Getting By In America by Barbara Ehrenreich. For those of you who don't know the premise, Ms. Ehrenreich went around the U.S. for approximately two years working as a waitress, a cleaning lady, and a Wal-Mart sales clerk to see if she could "get by" on the salaries from those jobs.

Very funny and very illuminating on what it's like to be part of the working poor in America. Hysterical little bit both on drug testing and employment "surveys" that companies such as Wal-Mart and Winn-Dixie demand that potential employees take in order to, say stock grocery shelves at $6.25 an hour. "It's important to be part of a team, but not so much part of team that I wouldn't rat out one of my employees for any infraction. The only thing that really matters, of course, is my slavish devotion to my employee." She correctly points out that such tests are designed to indicate to the employee that the company owns not only their time, but their soul as well.

Great, great book.
 
 
ynh
20:42 / 17.07.01
Damn. And I'm moving away from one of the best libraries in the country. Can you explain more of "how" she did this, Cherry Bomb?

[/academic crush on ehrenreich]
 
 
No star here laces
10:38 / 18.07.01
Anybody read Empire by Hardt and Negri? I'm slogging through it just now - seems to be a really interesting analysis of the global political system but by god it's heavy going.

Recently read loads of Joe R Lansdale having found a rack of his stuff downstairs in Forbidden Planet (oh the shame - I was only there for the b.o.g.o.f. offer on Anime vids, honest). Bad Chili was okay, Rumble Tumble was absolutely fuckin hilarious and deeply trashy. And Freezer Burn was transcendently good - goes beyond it's pulpy origins to become just a fantastically good novel.

Also picked up Theodore Sturgeon's 'The Joyous Invasions' in a second-hand shop - wow! That was a book and a half. I don't read a whole bunch of sci-fi, but my best mate's mum is always going on about this guy (she's an old hippie/biker) and she was right. Really thought-provoking and conceptually fascinating, especially the one about humanity turning into a giant hive-mind. Very Grant-esque.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
11:47 / 18.07.01
quote:Originally posted by [Your Name Here]:
Damn. And I'm moving away from one of the best libraries in the country. Can you explain more of "how" she did this, Cherry Bomb?

[/academic crush on ehrenreich]


You're not alone in your academic crush on her. Basically what she did was she started in Key West, which is where she lives, and she had x amount in the beginning for her rental deposit, also she got a rent-a-wreck car in every location and didn't include car payments in the budget.

So basically her plan was to see that if by the time her next rent was due would she have earned enough money to pay the rent and have food and transportation money for work. Also where would she have to live and how much would she have to work in order to do that? She did this for a while in Key West, then in Maine, and finally in Minnesota, living variously in a trailer park and several by-the-week motels because the hardest thing to cover with her income was (surprise, surprise) rent.

It's a fairly quick read and it's featured at most "New Nonfiction" book kiosks. Why don't you steal away to one of those major chain bookstores for an hour or two and read some of it?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:49 / 18.07.01
Angelhead sounds fascinating from that link, will definitely take a look...

and Fly, think i've said this already, but do perservere with Butler, it is difficult in parts (I found it tough going, reading it in a sympathetic (academic) context/community, which helped loads) but it is worth it.

Good on you for going at it as bedtime reading! ( and btw if you think discussing it would help, feel free to mail me. I need v. little encouragement to listen to half-baked readings of Butler and have plenty of mine own!)

Was me (predictably) reading 'switch' porn.

quote:could you tell me whether the book mentions fanfiction at all? There are a lot of lesbians/queer girls writing very, very good m/m slash. There's fewer men slash writers generally, so I don't know about the gay men writing f/f in that context.

The introduction (which is actually more interesting than alot of the writing) mentions it v.briefly but seems to think that it's "authored mostly by heterosexual women for heterosexual women".

But I'd be interested in reading some dyke authored m/m stuff. Where would I find, knowing nothing about slash fic?
 
 
Cat Chant
21:52 / 18.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Lick my plums, bitch.:

Was me (predictably) reading 'switch' porn.

The introduction (which is actually more interesting than alot of the writing) mentions it v.briefly but seems to think that it's "authored mostly by heterosexual women for heterosexual women".

But I'd be interested in reading some dyke authored m/m stuff. Where would I find, knowing nothing about slash fic?


white middle-class het women is what they usually say... I'm not great on non-Blake's 7 slash, so anyone who knows, jump in here. The only queer female slash writers I know of are Ika, Nova and Executrix: check out

Liberated and the Library
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
10:31 / 19.07.01
I just finished the Illuminatus! trilogy two weeks ago, which I enjoyed.

I'm currently reading The Voudun Quantum Leap and the last section of A Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism.

The Voudun Quantum Leap--So far, I'm not enjoying it. It does a poor job as far as explanation in the chapter on quantum physics, and takes some liberties with the history of the Bible, so I'm wondering if I can trust the guy when I reach the section on Voudun.

A Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism--It's good, although written from a christian perspective, which is a bit different than the other books I've read. But the author is a member of the White Light society, and his book is a good deal more informative than the others. Good stuff.
 
 
Jackie Susann
11:01 / 19.07.01
Simon - I also found Empire hard-going, although I loved the Interregnum (or whatever it's called). On the other hand, I've just been reading Negri and Hardt's earlier book, Labour Of Dionysus, which is sometimes difficult, but incredibly rewarding and often well-written. It includes a couple of Negri's famous essays from the early Italian autonomist movement and is generally concerned with working out a marxist theory of the State, but is MUCH more interesting than that makes it sound.

Also: Discontents, Dennis Cooper-edited collection of "new queer writing" from a few years ago featuring a hilarious mix of serious grant-getting lit types and quasi-literate zinesters. Worth it just for the bit where GB Jones, Jena von Bruker and Johnny Noczema bag every other writer in the book with senseless, gossipy abandon.

The Queen of America Goes to Washington City by Lauren Berlant. Essential reading if, like me, you want to think about the way nationalism and sexuality fit together. It's enviously dense with ideas, but (I think) pretty awkwardly written; her prose isn't exactly incomprehensible, but it could definitely have been clearer, less garbled.

Disidentifications Brilliant, exciting book by Jose Esteban Munoz about queer performance artists of colour. Youse should all read it.

No More Prisons by William Upski Wimsatt. The most "real" - grounded and engaged - book of politics I think I've ever read. Not just about prisons, it's about the importance of connecting personal growth to grassroots social change. Awesome yet annoying - the combination that means your beliefs are being challenged in a good way.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:05 / 19.07.01
The Dinosaur Hunters by Deborah Cadbury - really rather good pop hist/science dealing with the early paleontologists; it goes up to the Crystal Palace monsters and features lots of entertaining scholarly arguments and back-stabbing.

Bound and Gagged by Alan Travis - history of censorship in Britain during the C20. An interesting subject, and some of the material is new, but it is written in a newspaper style, quite badly, and appears not to have been properly edited as it is full of the most annoying errors and some shocking grammar.

Amphibious Thing by Lucy Moore - biog of Lord Hervey, the original Lord Fanny - is all right, but lacking in rigour...
 
 
Ierne
13:30 / 19.07.01
Johnny O'Clock – Have you ever read Israel Regardie? He's written some good Qabalistic stuff. Try A Garden of Pomegranates (but beware the Llewellyn version! AAAAGGGHHH!~!).
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:06 / 22.07.01
Oh, I do so love you all. in a warm and fuzzy and nerdy way.

Recent reads:

I bought Phil Dick's Valis and Dave Eggers' A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius to take on holiday. The former was not so much a satisfying read as an amusing filler-in of various Gnostic information I've been processing lately. parts of the Invisibles make much more sense now. And you have to love the way he relates it all as if it really did happen.

The Eggers book was a big, fat disappointment. I like the style of the writing, it's all very good, but it doesn't do much for the fact that Eggers himself is a white boy with with a cynical, stereotypically un-pc attitude masquerading as a 'social conscience'. It's unfortunate that his kind of fiction passes off as work that has some kind of politic, just because he was orphaned and might have been a bit poor for a while. Then again, maybe I'm being unkind. But y'know, I kept hoping that by the end of the book hew might have grown up a little and the stupid racist comments he made would have been acknowledged and sorted. No luck. And he's totally leather-phobic in a slightly homophobic kinda way.

Anyhow. Best Lesbian Erotica 2001 cheered me up slightly, although some of the stories are pretty boring. There is one author, can't remember her name, who writes these amazingly funny stories about obsessions with state-of-the-art sex toys. Worth buying for that story alone. And a weird story about seducing Monica Lewinsky, which had me squicking all over the place but somehow got strangely erotic later on.

I also re-read The Left Hand of Darkness recently. I love it, but am always somehow dissatisfied by the non-resolution of sexual tension between the two characters. I'm not sure le Guin would write the gender politics the same if she was writing it now; far too much visible difference in gender going on. But it was an experiment, right? And it's a worthy read.

What else? Fly Boy, stick with Great Expectations. It's probably the most accessible of the Ackers. But don't read it like you would a normal novel; just let it into your head, skim if you must. The important thing is the language and the gems of prose that stick out sometimes, for instance 'Your chains are disappearing'. Besides, the 'O' sections are pretty easy to follow. Sort of. And sexy, too.

Oh, hey, tracypanzer, I've read Dhalgren. I can't say I found it satisfying as a novel. The writing wasn't flawless enough. But I liked it, somehow. The way you never quite worked out what was going on. Or the way that the journal entries changed everything. Another experiment.
 
 
Ganesh
13:55 / 22.07.01
The Madonna biography was very mixed. The author, J Randy Taraborrelli (I was strangely disappointed it wasn't 'Dupre') is good at pricking Madonna's pomposity at times, and successfully exposes her fairly shameless manipulation of the press; he's also pretty perceptive on the whole Guy Ritchie thing (he quotes Mark Simpson's Independent article, characterising Ritchie as 'a gay man in a straight man's body'). Sadly, he lets too much of his own opinion colour the text, particularly the Erotica/Sex period (of which he clearly did not approve) and, more annoyingly, the later, dubiously New Age 'Earth Mother' period (of which he most heartily did). The book finishes disappointingly on the Skibo Castle wedding, all soft-focus, uncritical Hello! style gosh-wow description of What Everyone Wore. Reminiscent of American Psycho...

Starting Michael Moorcock's 'Mother London' which, in my current state of I-Love-All-Things-London, already seems pretty damn good.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
15:25 / 22.07.01
Earlier today, finished Peter Ackroyd's Hawksmoor. Interesting; ending was a little weaker than I'd thought, but that could be because I'd made the mistake of reading Joyce Carol Oates' review of it in which she gives away the ending within the first two pars.Gah. Anyway, interesting; the first sort of psychogeographic thing I've read. Made more interesting by the fact that I could walk down to St George's, Bloomsbury, in my lunch hour, and go "ooh!" at it. (Note: it pissed with rain when I did this. Here endeth the lesson.) Not bad; would like to read more of his work - perhaps The House of Doctor Dee will be the next one I check out.

Am I alone in wanting to write "Dan" instead of "Peter" in front of Ackroyd's name? For some reason, I like the idea of psychogeography by Elwood Blues. Hmm. Anyway, have settled in with Carl Sagan's Cosmos, which seems to be chugging along nicely, although his enthusiasm for the subject can seem a bit gee-whiz at times.

Also; am keen to know more about Continental philosophy. Blackwells publish a sort of reader/guide that clocks in at about 700 pages of two-column, teensy-type textbook format that claims to explore Everyone Since Kant - is this a worthy purchase, or arsewipe? Would be interested to know...)
 
 
ephemerat
14:43 / 23.07.01
Just read Tropic of Capricorn by Henry Miller which seems to be a thunderously autobiographical depiction of the writer more than anything else, a flow of words vomited continuously onto the page; vulgar, passionate, incredibly sexual, sharply intelligent, blinkered in many ways - incredibly open in others, often arrogant, offensive, cruel and selfish, sometimes even despicable but always honest, occasionally acutely perceptive and definitely way ahead of his time. I can understand why it was banned.

Also finally got around to reading the 50s sci-fi classic Tiger! Tiger! by Alfred Bester, yesterday. Yes, I know – I hang my head in shame, that me – a life-long SF addict had never read this. Call it a blip, an Achille’s Heel; but now that weakness is gone – no longer can I be bullied for my lack of reading. Hah!

Just nobody mention War and Peace. Or Moby Dick. Or Great Expectations. Or…

Anyway: Tiger! Tiger! proves to be worthy of its reputation. The main character Gully Foyle is an exceptional creation; take the characteristics attributed to Henry Miller above and add single-minded, brutish, bestial, violent, amoral and sociopathic. Packed with an endless orgy of invention, excitement and adventure (of a particularly nasty bent) it’s like space opera on PCPs and in bed with your mother. Fun! Fun! Fun! Ow! Because of course, it also begins to club you with some serious thought while simultaneously challenging your preconceptions of What The Science Fiction Novel Is About. Great example of an old master firing at his best.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
18:53 / 23.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Jackie Nothing Special:

No More Prisons by William Upski Wimsatt. The most "real" - grounded and engaged - book of politics I think I've ever read. Not just about prisons, it's about the importance of connecting personal growth to grassroots social change. Awesome yet annoying - the combination that means your beliefs are being challenged in a good way.


Hmm. This book is actually in my lap right now, collected from my "books to read" suitcase. Maybe I'll read it now (I've had it for about 4 months..).
 
 
Lee
09:38 / 24.07.01
This is the place to let anyone who dug Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials know about William Nicholson's The Wind Singer, and Slaves of the Mastery, the first two books in (another) fantasy kid's trilogy.

I needed a major fix of story, and managed to totally lose myself in these two books over the course of what seemed a very short thirteen hours.

Satire, allegory, allusion, and eternal grinning homicidal baton-twirling teenagers!

[ 24-07-2001: Message edited by: Lee ]
 
 
ephemerat
09:38 / 24.07.01
Last night, I (also) finally read A Farewell to Arms by Ernest Hemingway and finished The Sandman Companion by (the named-by-viciously-sadistic-parents) Hy Bender.

I really didn’t like Farewell to Arms to begin with, Hemingway’s much-vaunted prose style seemed repetitive, artificial, obviously manipulative and constrictive – I felt as if I was chained and wearing blinkers as the language failed to sufficiently explain and focus on points I was interested in while droning its trees/bark/leaves, rain/roads/fields, bare/brown/muddy mantra.

...Then the sudden time lapse: I forgot I was reading a book and got completely lost in it, surfacing around two and a half hours later to wonder how I suddenly had thirty pages left and those gentle repetitions had slickly mutated into heavily charged, highly emotive imagery and a palpable sense of climax that had little to do with the war. Three hours well spent - I’ve no idea why I didn’t invest them earlier. Unfortunately, even despite its magnificent ending it still pales in comparison to The Naked and The Dead: but then, what modern book about war doesn’t?

Somewhat less thrillingly: each chapter of The Sandman Companion deals with one of the collected story arcs and is divided into three parts. The first part is a detailed summary of that story arc, its plot and its characters – useful, since if you’ve already read The Sandman then you get to read it again, but horribly condensed and written without Gaiman’s skill, artful dialogue and any pictures, and of course if you haven’t read The Sandman, it provides an invaluable resource of detailed plot spoilers for those who don’t like surprises in their fiction. The second part is an attempt to tease some of the underlying imagery, influences and layers of meaning from the story. I’m a little more forgiving of Hy Bender here as he’s up against authors like Straub, Ellison, Delaney and Wolfe. They’ve already done this type of analysis on The Sandman and it’s obvious that he didn’t want to repeat their efforts. Unfortunately, while occasionally making some good points he falls far short of the previously set watermark and it all just looks hopelessly amateurish, unperceptive and adolescent in comparison. Last part is an ongoing interview with Gaiman and this is actually pretty good. In conversation with Gaiman, Bender finally begins to convey his intelligence and attention to trivia and detail; and he asks some decent questions. Nice to find out the kind of books Gaiman was reading and to get a feel for the real seat-of-the-pants creative process that he was hurling himself through to create a monthly comic that seemed so serenely well-planned. Some nice little anecdotes and revelations, some stuff that would’ve been better kept hidden behind the curtain. I bought it for £3.99, reduced from £13.99. I wouldn’t recommend paying much more than that. Especially considering Farewell to Arms cost me 60p. And a disturbed night’s sleep. Listening to the rain.

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ynh
20:55 / 24.07.01
I got the Hy Bender Hardcover, wrapped in disgusting plastic, when it came out. At the time I was tired, boarding a plane, and kind of excited to learn something new. I didn't. What was it you said, 'rat? "hopelessly amateurish, unperceptive and adolescent." Bang on. To think of all the research and or questions that could have replaced this drivel.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
10:29 / 25.07.01
I'm reading "The Man who tasted shapes" by Richard Cytowic. Anyway, it is about synesthesia and possible theories of it. He also dabbles in other rare neurological disorders that are fascinating in themselves, and gives plenty of textual references to past works by artists who have had synesthesia, such as Kandinsky.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
07:50 / 26.07.01
Interested in what you have to say about Hemingway, 'rat...I finished For Whom The Bell Tolls a while ago, and found this to be a similar experience.

I was finding it rather dull but at some point I became completely enveloped in it... the prose that seems dull at the start is hypnotic and incredibly vivid as the novel progresses and the way H shades the character of Robert slowly and gradually lets you see glimpses of his former life (R. being a college lecturer turned explosives expert) is incredibly convincing... the internal monologues are stunnning, showing the fear and the conscious process of dehumanising, putting one's feelings/self on hold ... was surprised at how good H. was on the contradictions of being male under these circs...

but he nearly totally lost me near the beginnning with the notion that a girl who'd been rescued after being raped by the fascists a couple of months earlier, would fall in love with R. and need to sleep with him as part of the healing process....for fuck's sake... I almost put the book down right here, and ti's a tribute to the immersiveness of the writing that I didn't.

Having said that, the female characters are all pretty much archetypes, pretty unconvincing and 2-dimensional. possibly this is deliberate, as we're seeing everything through robert's eyes, but I just found it annoying, made the book patchy...

Some of the best fiction writing I've read, in parts, pretty dire in others...

I'd read another one, I think, but it's not top of my list...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:18 / 26.07.01
Last night, I finished Cosmos, by Carl Sagan. Which was surprisingly good, as an introduction to the universe and physics, et al. Obviously, it's not been updated lately, as Sagan's dead, and this is reflected in the way the final chapters tend to belabour the cold war Soviet/US divide a bit much. But still, it's a pretty enthused piece of writing, although that can tend towards the "gee-whiz!" end of the spectrum a little. Hm.
 
 
ephemerat
08:18 / 26.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Lick my plums, bitch.:
Having said that, the female characters are all pretty much archetypes, pretty unconvincing and 2-dimensional. possibly this is deliberate...


Probably not.

The female characters in Farewell to Arms are... well, not really characters at all. Even the girl he really loves comes across extremely simplicistically. Though again, you constantly get the feeling that there's more below the surface, that there's a real person there - you just never get to see them.

It was the same in Henry Miller's Tropic of Capricorn. The book involves a constant stream of women, and is in essence all about a woman. But we never really see her. Just reflections of Miller himself endlessly flickering and richocheting across the pages of the book. What he thinks of her, what he thinks about when he sees her, what it's like to kiss her, what it's like to fuck her. All the other women are too meaningless to him to make an impression, and this one woman is too huge to be anything more than his own ego.

Maybe it's a function of the time they were writing in?
 
 
gentleman loser
23:57 / 28.07.01
Sheesh, you folks read books that are a lot deeper than the ones I read, but I'll bite anyway!

"I Am Spock" by Leonard Nimoy

Nimoy is best known for writing a biography called "I Am Not Spock" in a vain attempt to distance himself from his Star Trek alter ego. Needless to say, it didn't work. It's a easy afternoon read if your interested in Star Trek and the Spock character (and no, he doesn't dish his co-stars). I was hoping he'd cover more of his non Star Trek related work like my personal fave "In Search Of" where he wore questionable polyester suits and a mustache. Alas, no mention of that. I'm a Trek fan and I only paid two bucks for the book, so I have no complaints.

2. "Death and Disaster: The Rise of the Warhol Empire and the Race for Andy's Millions" by Paul Alexander

This book was a frustrating read because it so reinforced my hatred of lawyers, socialites and other assorted greedy sycophants. The first part was interesting since it covered Warhol's many quirks like his obsessive-compulsive shopping habits, his post Valerie Solanas phobia of hospitals and the strange circumstances surrounding his death. The second half covers what happened to his half a billion dollar estate and the assorted greedheads who tried to profit from it. This involved a long and very drawn out civil trial where everyone involved ends up looking like incompetants and fools. I was so appaled past the first two thirds of the book that I had to force myself to finish it. The book was tied together out of a bunch of magazine articles and you know how clunky books like that can be.

3. "All Tommorow's Parties" by William Gibson

This was a huge disappointment. Like all of Gibson's work, it has interesting prose and flows along nicely. The down side is that he is still using the same stock characters, settings and situations that he's been using since Count Zero. Hey Bill, it's time to come up with something a little less formulaic. I also hate how Gibson seems to be leading you along to an interesting climax, but then he whiffs the ending like coitus interruptus. I think I'll skip his next book.

Current Reads:

"Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72" by Hunter S. Thompson

(Democracy in the U.S. sure has been dead a long time! The '00 election? Just more of the same.)

"Secrets of the Samurai: A Survey of the Martial Arts of Feudal Japan" by Oscar Ratti and Adele Westerbrook

(An impulse buy that I thought would be interesting. It is.)

Hoping to read "The Genocides" by Thomas M. Disch (synopsis: imagine if aliens treated us the way we treat mosquitos or mice) if I can find a copy at the local used bookstores. I'm in the mood for something really grim.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
05:20 / 29.07.01
I just read Intimacy by Sarte (some real gems there) and A Book of Five Rings by Minyamoto.

Currently reading Nausea by Sarte and Divine Horsemen by Deren. Soon I will read Empire, once my bookstore gets it in for me.

Every August I reread the Illumanitus Trilogy (WIlson and Shea) and Shcrodinger's Cat (Wilson).

Read these during the eclipse. It was spooky.

-Jesse
 
 
quinine92001
17:52 / 29.07.01
I have just finished Travels by Crichton and The Serpent and the Rainbow by Wade Davis. Travels was interesting. Crichton reveals his interest in psychic phenomenom towards the end of the book which is to say the least interesting. I especially liked when he was in Bangkok and he smoke so much thai he went blind.
Serpent and the Rainbow deals with the topic of Davis finding the true ingredients to the powder that converts people into zombis. Filled with an amazing history of Haiti, voodoo, and secret societies.If you like science, anthropology, and travel I highly recommend this book.
 
 
Opalfruit
06:31 / 30.07.01
This thread could go on forever....

Finished Neil Gaiman's 'American Gods'last week and then read Peter Carey's 'Jack Maggs' - interesting book, based in pre-victorian London - Jack Maggs returns from being sent to Australia in search of something. It deals with the horrors of back-street abortions, Magnetism and Australian Identity... very good, very tense in places..

Just started Katerine Kerr's 'Dragon Spell' and 'The Aquatic Ape Hypothesis' by Elaine Morgan.... have Iain M. Banks 'Against a Dark Background' and Ray Bradbury 'THe Day it Rained forever' waiting in my to be read pile.... amongst others.... too much to read... not enough time... damn this work stuff...
 
 
ephemerat
07:26 / 01.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Opalfruit:
...and then read Peter Carey's 'Jack Maggs' - interesting book, based in pre-victorian London - Jack Maggs returns from being sent to Australia in search of something. It deals with the horrors of back-street abortions, Magnetism and Australian Identity... very good, very tense in places.


Yeah, I read this a few months ago (I got in hardback for a £1!). I like the way he takes on Great Expectations (I haven't read G.E. but I've seen interminable BBC dramas): Maggs as Magwitch, his son Phipps as Pip and the author Tobias Oates as Dickens himself; viewing Maggs as nowt but source material for the bestseller he desperately needs to keep himself financially afloat.

I loved the darkness and complexity of the book, and on the strength of it I also picked up Oscar and Lucinda by Carey which currently waits in line to be read. Anyone here read Oscar and Lucinda and can give me an honest opinion?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
07:48 / 01.08.01
quote:Originally posted by ephemerat:
Anyone here read Oscar and Lucinda and can give me an honest opinion?

Fucking great. I loved it. First read it years ago, and I end up rereading it once a year or so - there's something almost effortless about the way the story unfolds. It captures some feelings of Australia, I think - no, not definitively, but in a way that makes me feel a little wistful when I read it. Big thumbs up. There are some flaws with the book, though; some technologies are mentioned in passing that wouldn't have existed at the time the novel's set in, and I feel that Carey sticks too rigidly to a schema that makes him curtail the story too sharply (ie: 100 chapters, 500 pages, that kind of thing). But these are pretty minimal; I'm rather envious of his turn of phrase: it's colloquial and evocative, and for all his mass-market appeal, really solid, good fun. Hell, it's got drug-addiction, glass, inheritance, discovery, a bit of history and a love story that isn't - what more could you need, really?

Interestingly, the story is pretty much adapted from Patrick White's Voss, which is worth a read, too - I hated it when I first tried to read it, but enjoyed it a great deal when I came back to it.

The movie version of Oscar and Lucinda is not too bad, either, even if they do try to kid that Sydney University is actually Oriel...

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Opalfruit
08:34 / 01.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Rothkoid:
and I feel that Carey sticks too rigidly to a schema that makes him curtail the story too sharply (ie: 100 chapters, 500 pages, that kind of thing).


I agree. His books build up the events, passions and emotions of the characters to the point of exploding and then they can either burst or deflate slowly.... Jack Maggs kind of deflated after a fantastic build up...

The Illywhacker however..... aiee the ending... and The Unusual Life of Tristan Smith - both well, well worth reading.
Haven't read 'The Tax Inspector' yet though - it's on my shelf, as well as his short stories which I'm dipping into on occaision - brilliant stuff!

And I'm definitely looking forward to Ned Kelly as soon as it comes out in paper back...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:44 / 01.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Opalfruit:
And I'm definitely looking forward to Ned Kelly as soon as it comes out in paper back...
I'd heard (perhaps from someone on here, even?) that it's not all that, and that other biogs of Kelly have tackled the story a little more adeptly. Hmm. Funnily enough, The Tax Inspector is the only other work of his that I've finished - though I do have The Unusual Life... and the short stories collection (released as The Fat Man In History, elsewhere, I think) on my shelf, awaiting reading - and it's pretty good. Not as good as O&L, but quite a dark little read...
 
 
Cavatina
08:44 / 01.08.01
I liked Carey's absurdist humour and spiritual resolution in Bliss (1985, in which his representative Australian 'Good Bloke', Harry Joy, 'dies' and ends up reinventing his reality as a eucalypt planting bushman. I was reminded of Bliss when reading Murray Bail's Eucalyptus which also has magical elements, but is more like an Austalian fairy tale.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:05 / 01.08.01
Cavatina; did Eucalyptus come across as a little unsettling at points? I found it had a really strange quality that I couldn't define. It was a bit icky.

To stop my threadrotting, I'd like to add that I'm hoping, soon, to add Frances Yates' The Art Of Memory to this thread, but it's proving pretty heavy going at the moment...
 
 
Cavatina
10:36 / 01.08.01
By 'icky', do you mean 'incestuous' - the father's Prospero-like control of his daughter and lack of any real communication with her?
 
  

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