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Chain-criticism bad?

 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:05 / 12.07.01
This article looks at the rise of the über-chain - Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc, claiming that they've had a positive influence on the average reader's purchasing, rather than making things worse, as is often suggested. Are they over-pilloried establishments, or are they rightly criticised? I think they're doing a lot right, in terms of bringing range to areas that wouldn't have had it, previously - what's the feeling here? Are they the victims of knee-jerk anti-multinational action, or should they be cut some slack? Thoughts?
 
 
Cat Chant
21:47 / 12.07.01
The way Borders (at least) treats/pays its staff sucks, so they should be criticized for that, which might be part of the knee-jerk anti-multinational reaction.

Otherwise, I don't know. We don't have any indie bookshops here on Gauda Prime, so I forget what bookshops were like before they just let you sit and drink coffee and read shite by people you wouldn't want to pay royalties to.

I have the feeling this has got to be a more complicated debate than it looks tho', and will probably get back into something about "The Herd", ie, who is the "average reader" and how do you define a "positive influence" and what about "purchasing" as against "reading" (libraries or indeed browsing in the shop?)

I'd better go look at that link you posted before I say anything more, hadn't I?
 
 
Jackie Susann
10:17 / 13.07.01
Surely the most common and serious charges against Borders are their labour relations - lousy working conditions, hours and pay, anti-union stance - and their tendency to force small businesses to close. This guy's argument strikes me as a little like saying, "despite all the criticism, Nike shoes really do come in a more diverse range of colours than most of their competitor's".
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:50 / 13.07.01
In terms of bullshit working policies: true, I'm guessing. However, I'm also guessing that the local bookshop would exert the same sort of pressures on their staff, though with not as much visibility; bad employment practices aren't restricted solely to multinationals. In my experience, I've run into more problems with mum-and-dad-run shop employers than relatively large corporations. That doesn't make it any better, but it does happen elsewhere. Query: is Borders' anti-union stance echoed worldwide, or just in particular nations? And would you be able to lay the blame for a chain's ability to get away with paying people fuck-all an hour at the feet of the government, too? I'm sure they'd point out that they're acting withing the remit of the law, so should the law be questioned, as well as the company?

Perhaps in place of "positive influence", I should've inserted something about providing a better variety of choice, or better access to texts that were previously unobtainable, or very difficult to obtain, rather than inferring some kind of weighty value aspect, albeit unintentional. Improved access to that which heretofore had been solely the reserve of, say, academic-only bookshops?

I think, Jackie, that there's something in what you say about the argument being a little facile, but it's probably still worth pursuing, if only because the appearance of the chains has forced a rethink of the books market.

In ethical arguments, has invoking Nike become a bit like invoking Hitler? Just a query, and not meant archly.

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Opalfruit
12:49 / 13.07.01
I do love little pokey bookshops, especially second hand ones, the musty smell and often haphazard way the books are stacked and shelved... it means you have to explore.

I find places like Books etc (aka Borders), Blackwells, WHsmiths etc a bit clinical if you like, yes they have special offers and discounts - but I find they're never really for the books I want, which annoys the hell out of me.

As to the staff not being knowledgable about the books, I've discovered that people who work in bookshops are people who read books (this is my experience anyway - and what the hell are Betsy-Tacy books?). I've got friends who work for Books etc and Waterstones... those that work for Waterstones love their jobs... but those that work for Books etc (especially in the Trafford Centre) are grumpy about the company and the assessments that they have to pass.

Chains, great for popular and new books and getting discounts on them. But give me a mouldy second hand bookshop where I'll pick up obscure books I'd never have found or picked up in the major chains -

Would Books etc stock: UFO's and the Bible? or UFO's from the Hollow Earth? (these are non-fiction (apparently)).

There's this lovely independant in Withington, imaginativley called the Bookshop, sells new and old books... and does FREE Coffee. Kicks arse that place.

Talking about chains, there's one called the Works that often sells books at really, really cheap prices, like 99p upwards, £3 for 2 is a common one... got some pretty good stuff from there (most of my Peter Carey books)....
 
 
rizla mission
13:17 / 13.07.01
I'm undecided on this one.

I don't often buy books from big chains - mostly because of the prices (I'm still gaping at their sheer audacity in selling wafer thin paperback movie screenplay's for !!£8.99!! apiece).

I usually only venture in when I'm looking to immediately grab a new book by a favourite author.

But, on the other hand, Waterstones in Swansea is comparitively rockin'. The manager (or at least I think he's the manager) is this cool dreadlocked guy who seems to be on a crusade to stock as many sci-fi/occult/small press/generally unusual books as possible, despite orders to desist from higher up in the food chain.

That strikes me as a 'positive influence' .. but then it's only an isolated example.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
13:41 / 13.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Opalfruit:
Would Books etc stock: UFO's and the Bible? or UFO's from the Hollow Earth? (these are non-fiction (apparently)).

Yeah - the one down my way does. And lots of copies of Icke's books. The Borders up the road from work, coincidentally, had more of the books namechecked in the bibliography thread in The Magick than most shops I looked at, including that place down near Leicester Square - and at somewhat cheaper prices, too. I can understand the bible being non-fiction, too - isn't it in the same boat as mythology and philosophy?

Riz: if the screenplays you're thinking of are published by Faber & Faber, that's not the bookshop's fault, it's the imprint's: they're hideously fucking expensive. Ditto for their poetry range. Bastards.

I dunno. Since I've been in London, I've found that buying books from chains - and not necessarily new-release or fiction - has been less frustrating than doing same from independent. I wish it wasn't so, but it is. I still like second-hand bookshops, but, quite honestly, quite a few around here are taking the piss in a major way - give me yer Oxfam lucky-dip any day...

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Cat Chant
13:37 / 14.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Rothkoid:

In ethical arguments, has invoking Nike become a bit like invoking Hitler? Just a query, and not meant archly.


Actually, I think it might have done. It's always a problem with "shorthand" terms, though - most people on the board probably know the sorts of connotations and problems someone who says "Nike" is evoking, so it becomes a shorthand, and possibly ends up being unhelpful...

On your point about indie bookshops also treating their staff badly: probably, and I should find out more about this before I go on about it, but what I notice about BOrders is that the staff (like MacDonalds' workers as I recall) aren't aloud to leave the shop on their break, and are always liable to be called down to the cafe/tills if there's an unforeseen rush, which I think is *less* likely to happen in an indie shop, and which (for me) almost symbolizes a whole attitude to their staff which I dislike intensely. But that's because when I worked in MacDonalds I never got any shopping done 'cos as soon as I was 2 mins into my break I'd be called back down to serve burgers to the mindless herd... er, valued customers.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:23 / 15.07.01
I don't know whether it's exactly fair to bring such things as union practices into this argument because I don't know the context, whether he's trying to defend the chains in total (and leaving aside the unpleasant stuff) or whether he's just writing about choices of books. Anti-Union activities etc have their place ina discussion about the chains, but not perhaps not here. Anyway...

I must admit I am buying most of my books from chains these days, mainly over the internet too. With the collapse of the Net Book Agreement the spoils do go to those that have the resources to provide me with the best service. And when I wanted to by my Robert Anton Wilson's and my Storm Constantines, I didn't find them in the independents.
 
 
Jackie Susann
09:37 / 18.07.01
Um, sorry. Nike seemed a lot less hyperbolic than any other analogy I could think of (i.e., McDonalds, the military regime in Burma...) Consider it withdrawn. The point is that for all the times in this article the writer sets herself up as opposing "the cultural elite" who hate the chainstores, she never departs from an elite frame of reference. The only criticisms that seem to matter to her are those of the elite, and her response is that the chains actually benefit that elite. She doesn't, as I pointed out, respond to criticisms of chainstore labour practices, and only indirectly addresses worries about shutting down indie stores (she seems to think this is actually a good thing, since the chains are better).

As for these labour practices being the same as indie stores, that's pretty much beside the point. Whether some, many or most indies treat their workers badly, national and international chains have an entirely different sort of power as employers. At risk of another Hitlerian analogy, it's like McDonalds. They get criticised for their labour practices not because they're the worst, particularly, but because as one of the world's largest employers they set the employment policies other companies will follow. And there are many other, fairly obvious, qualitative differences between chains and indies (i.e., extensive legal budgets that make, unfair dismissal claims, etc., prohibitively expensive).

In summary, some of us have objections to chainstores that are about something other than how many feet of shelving they devote to crappy obscure books a handful of intellectuals want to read.
 
 
moriarty
09:37 / 18.07.01
"Big, impersonal, overstocked, and full of ignorant salespeople."

I almost bit my tongue off when Meg Ryan got to the ignorant salespeople part.

I work at a chain bookstore here in Canada, as does Wembley who will hopefully chime in with her own horror stories.

In my region there was a bookstore in Welland that closed down years before my store opened. There is a small, upscale bookstore in Niagara-on-the-Lake that is doing great in the tourist trade. There was a french bookstore in St. Catharines, the city my store is situated in, and it has closed down since we opened, but, we refused to carry French titles because of its proximity, and gave its business cards out to people who made inquiries about French books. They sent us a fruitbasket last Christmas. The local remaindered store and the 4 used bookstores in the area are doing fine, according to their owners, who I visit at least once a month. The only other bookstores that have been around these parts in the last twenty years are smaller stores in the same chain, and they're still around. Bottom line, no bookstores were hurt by our presence. Of course, there wasn't much here in the first place, and I'm sure things are much more controversial in the larger cities (ie. Toronto).

Before the store I work in came around, there was nowhere within 75 km where you could purchase works by Philip K. Dick, Robert Anton Wilson, The Subgenius Foundation, Lovecraft, Geo. Herriman and a number of other writers and subjects.

The booksellers do have some say in what gets on the shelves. I ordered 20 copies of Casebook on Alternative 3, my favourite crackpot conspiracy book. It's non-returnable, so my managers almost choked, but I handsold the first 5, and soon enough we sold out by word of mouth. The same happened to Jimmy Corrigan, and at least a few other titles I've brought in. I also run the "eclectic" table, which includes books on Canadian made flying saucers, Vintage tractor guides, a guide to masturbation (recently sold out), a few anti-consumerist tomes, and, yes, a hollow earth book, a field I have a great deal of personal interest in.

An indy bookseller, with only 20,000 books on the shelf, would probably have a better than average knowledge of about 15,000 titles. After three years I have a better than average knowledge of about the same amount of our 100,000 titles, plus a fair knowledge of about 50,000 more. I know many people who applied for the same job as me with English degrees that could rattle off the entire Dickens ouvre, but couldn't name even 3 Dr. Seuss books, tell you who wrote War of the Worlds, or suggest a good baking cookbook. Ignorant salespeople? We just have a larger space to cover, and therefore, more chances for failure. And you try finding that book that was on Oprah with the blue cover, a book that deals with ponies and divorce for a six year old girl, or the best menopause book on the market.

OK, now that I've filled you full of propaganda, here comes some of the ugly.

Many customers abuse the reading of books in the stores. They'll take a good dozen books or magazines to their table, flip through a few pages, then leave the whole mess behind for the rest of us to clean up. I've seen friends do it. And people wonder why there aren't enough booksellers available. While I'm glad they leave the books for us to reshelve, no one can read that many books in one sitting. These excess books are sometimes reshelved by customers, and employees who wrongly think they know what they're doing, into some of the wildest places. I apologize on behalf of all booksellers for anyone who has searched vainly for a book that is supposed to be in the store. I realize how frustrating it is. But keep in mind that sometimes, through the warehouse shortshipping us and the computer not showing these mistakes, theft, or one of the above idiocies, we often lose a book or two. I don't know how many times I've pulled Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas out of fiction.

We employees of this chain have been told that we are regarded as the best retail salespeople in chain stores across the nation. We have also been told that we cover more square feet per person than any other retail salesperson. We are woefully shortstaffed, and they keep on tightening the belt. Head Office sets ridiculous goals that have no sense of reality for us to make our piddling bonus. They use it to spur us on, even though the only people who really benefit are the full timers. Even if you make the bonus, they set the bar higher for next time so you won't reach it again. No benefits unless you're full time. The smallest raises you can imagine (Think 5 cents to a quarter. Yearly. Canadian.), and with the worst set of criteria possible. Customer service is regarded as only 10% of your evaluation. I've been there since the store opened and I could easily make more than I currently am starting at almost any other job, retail or no. And because so many people think a bookstore job is dreamy you're pretty much expendable. When I went in for my interview they asked if I had ever been in a union. I guess they were desparate for a experienced receiver at the time.

So why stay? I can make my own hours, I'm good at what I do, my managers are very cool despite pressure from higher up, I've successfully driven a small number of out-of-touch regional managers up the wall, I get free books, can borrow more books, I know I'm not long for this place, and I live a spartan lifestyle and can work part time devoting the rest of my day to cartooning, posting extra long message board responses, and playing with my cats and dog. This is a good job for me, personally, and I can see its faults along with its merits. But I won't let it be my life. That's the difference between a job and a career. Pity those who make this a career.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
09:37 / 18.07.01
On the one hand it must be said that big chain bookstores, like "Oprah's Book Club" get more people reading, and make more books accessible to more people. This is not the same as saying "When you think of it, Nike shoes DO come in more colors" because there is a major difference between being able to purchase a pair of cross-trainers in mauve and getting ahold of a book that previously would have required an hour or more journey out of town.

I think that is a GREAT THING. As a youngster I had an extreme hunger for books that was certainly not satisfied by the dusty, half-filled stacks at the one bookstore in town or the Christian bookstore. Thank God for the library but in my town at least it could get next to impossible to find what you were looking for, and god forbid you end up with a fine (which, naturally, I did). The next town over was even worse. I remember once I tried to buy a book there and the bookseller refused to sell it to me because it was "too scary for a little thing like you."

There were a few horrible years when the dusty-ass bookstore closed down and nothing came to take its place, and I just could not believe there was no demand for books in town. So I was (and remain) plenty jealous when both Borders and Barnes & Noble opened up in my hometown because I would have KILLED for either one in my formative years.

I do believe those chain bookstores make more books available to more people and I think that is invaluable.

HOWEVER....
To be providing such a service one should be paying their employees more and treating their employees better. But you will find that accross-the-board in $7-an-hour jobs. Not even making a living wage and yet the boss owns you. It's certainly not a problem that originated at chain bookstores. And it's something that needs to be addressed at every level.

As far as driving out independent bookstores, this is a bad thing. But I do think that those stores that have a niche or serve a specific market that Borders or B&N can't will remain. I'm lucky enough to live within a 10-minute walk of a used bookstore that's not only well-stocked and well-organized, it's open 'til 2am as well. That is an anomaly. And its uniqueness will be its survival. Likewise feminist bookshops and other niche independent stores.
 
 
sleazenation
10:29 / 18.07.01
Just to restate what i am sure a lot of people have already said.

In many cases it is already too late for any kind of meaningful debate on the relative merits of indie and corporate bookstores.

There isn't a choice. This is not because the nasty chain store drove indie place out of business but because there *was* no idie bookstore to begin with. In the town that i grew up in the only place you could buy books was WHsmith's (a glorified newsagent and staioners) Until Ottaker's opened a branch.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:03 / 18.07.01
Rothkoid, old chap - Are they the victims of knee-jerk anti-multinational action, or should they be cut some slack?

Doesn't this question ask the same thing twice?

A lot of people on Barbelith link to Amazon - and well, aren't they a bit dodgy?)

(Google Page o' Amazon links)

Personally, I'll try second-hand bookshops first for what I'm looking for, mainly 'cos I'm poor.
Then I'll maybe try an independent - if I can find one.

But sadly, and despite Jackie's charmingly agressive/dismissive last post about shelf space, the main issue for most of us here seems to be one of choice of those *crappy obscure books a handful of intellectuals want to read* - and many smaller stores can't afford to buy stuff which might not sell and so won't take the risk on such books.

It's a fucking shame - and if I can buy non-multinationally, I will. But sometimes I can't.

So, once I have battled with my conscience enough, it's off to Waterstones or somewhere similar - especially if I'm ordering something "odd" in chainstore terms. When I'm buying, say, Robert Anton Wilson, Chomsky, Christopher Hitchens, Index on Censorship, etc then I'll go to Waterstones pretty much straight away, and try to make the book I want look like it's selling there. Then they may re-order it. I know it's sad, but I like doing it.

Oh, and Opalfruit -

Talking about chains, there's one called the Works that often sells books really, really cheap

Fucking hell, tell me about it. I once got 10 books for 99p there. Does anyone know if Joyce Carol Oates' Blonde is any good? I only got it to fill out the 10 books and it's bloody massive.

[ 18-07-2001: Message edited by: HB ]
 
 
Jack Fear
17:50 / 18.07.01
Just for the record:

The Amazon links from Barbelith are a matter of financial necessity: the provide a kickback for referrals, and a portion of the price of books purchased through links on Barbelith (and plasticbag.org) will, theoretically, go towards defraying the expense of actually running and hosting the sites.

Dodgy? Sure. But as the divine Johnny once sang, "I use the eh-ne-mee."

[ 18-07-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
19:35 / 18.07.01
Also, when some of us post links to a book on Amazon it's to give info on the book. I find Amazon to be a great catalog of book info even when I'm buying from a local store. Reading the description and/or reader reviews can help me decide whether or not to have my local store special order a book for me.
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:12 / 18.07.01
To be honest, I tend to think where you buy your books is pretty irrelevant - I'm not criticising people who buy from the chains, I do too. As sleaze said, for most people there's just no option to inflate their conscience by buying from a nice, ethical indie.

If people are interested in bookstore politics and facilitating wider access to diverse information and literature, maybe they could get involved in or help start community libraries, (maybe trythe anarchist librarian web) or get involved in unionisation campaigns supporting bookstore workers.

[ 19-07-2001: Message edited by: Jackie Nothing Special ]
 
 
moriarty
03:25 / 19.07.01
I think it all has to do in the way one shops for books. I only ever buy new books whenever they give me my book bonus. Instead, I go to used bookstores and search around until I find something that looks interesting. I have so much to read right now, I could easily not buy another book for a year.

On the other hand, most people I know are very specific in their purchases. They need a certain book and they need it NOW! Usually these are the same friends who DEPEND on Napster and their ilk, and get very UPSET when a comic book ships late.

I think there's enough great unread, used material out there already that you need never shop in a new bookstore ever again.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
03:25 / 19.07.01
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:
I think there's enough great unread, used material out there already that you need never shop in a new bookstore ever again.

On the other hand, there's probably enough second-hand CDs out there to make sure that you never have to buy a new CD ever again, too. So would you only buy pre-used recordings? I don't think the desire for a pristine or new copy of something is indicative of some serious flaw, or lack of social awareness. In my experience, lots of second-hand stuff is more raggedy than I'm going to be comfortable with. I'm not a Howard Hughes-level neatfreak, and certainly not dependent on Napster or anal about shipping dates, but sometimes I just like new books. And let's face it - many books that fall within the interests of people here on the board simply don't show up in second-hand stores. I still buy a lot from places like Oxfam or the like - but there's lots of instances where I'd like a decent copy of a book, because I'm planning on keeping it forever. I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that, is there?

Also, the pleasure found in opening an unread book is quite something. Shallow? Possibly. But it's like slipping into fresh sheets or a hot shower; enjoyable.

[ 19-07-2001: Message edited by: Rothkoid ]
 
 
moriarty
11:46 / 19.07.01
Sorry if I came off all superior-like. The majority of my friends are unlike me, and hey, they're still my friends. I wouldn't deny anyone buying the books/cds/etc. that they want, and no, I don't think it's shallow. Used goods come somewhere, no?

As mentioned on another thread, oh so long ago, by not buying new stuff I'm not contributing to the artists that created the work in the first place. So, shame on me.

I was only pointing out that I'm basically born without the "specific-book" gene, the one where you have a goal, and you're out to get it, no matter where, what or who you have to go through. I truly believe that there is enough interesting work out there that you need never buy new again. I don't have to buy Choke because I've never read Don Quixote. Or War of the Worlds. Or even Picnic at Hanging Rock.

I'll be the first to admit that there are a number of books on the shelf in the new bookstore that I would love to get my hands on. But I have thousands of years worth of titles I haven't read yet, the whole history of literature. So I'll wait until I'm done all of them before I move on to the Horse Whisperer, or something.

And I'm also not someone who cares about the condition of the book. Again, most everyone I know usually is. So, there's no denying that I'm the freak here.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:27 / 19.07.01
I love used book stores. If I'm not looking for a specific title then trying to find the gems waiting in these stores is amazingly enjoyable. Nothing quite like finding an out of print book that is precious to you and giving it a home
 
 
Ierne
19:13 / 19.07.01
I have so much to read right now, I could easily not buy another book for a year. – moriarty

You and me both. And all mine are secondhand finds.

Nothing quite like finding an out of print book that is precious to you and giving it a home. – Lothar Tuppan

So True. I only go to Chain Stores when I have to use the toilet.
 
 
Pin
15:04 / 20.07.01
Like other people here, I need the chain bookstore we have here. No other book store stocks... anything, actually. True, the chain may be shit, it's tiny and got about 15 members of staff so it's almost impossible to move in there. And they recently errected big bookshelves in the middle of the floor that go right to the ceiling in such a way as to prevent the turny stand with the comics on (much ranted about) from actually turning, as well as making getting to the philsophy section impossible. But there's no other book store around.

And besides, I personally prefer buying new books and beating them up myself. Never looks as good if someone else does it...
 
 
Ria
22:41 / 22.07.01
quote:

Otherwise, I don't know. We don't have any indie bookshops here on Gauda Prime [...]


yes. the Federation had them outlawed. and what does that tell you?
 
 
Ria
22:46 / 22.07.01
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:

And I'm also not someone who cares about the condition of the book. Again, most everyone I know usually is.


I don't care either though at some point I did. I keep my comic books lying around unbagged too if I buy them that way.
 
 
ynh
23:47 / 22.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:

So True. I only go to Chain Stores when I have to use the toilet.


I swear I thought I was the only one. Cheers.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:24 / 23.07.01
Hmmm. There are quite a lot of us... Is it because places like Borders are the only place with a decent toilet that will let you use it without making you buy something?
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
18:05 / 26.07.01
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:


Many customers abuse the reading of books in the stores. They'll take a good dozen books or magazines to their table, flip through a few pages, then leave the whole mess behind for the rest of us to clean up


Everything moriarty said, plus: You hoary bastards who can't fucking reshelve something you pulled off the goddamn shelf! Especially ye who, about to be wed, bring the WHOLE wedding planning section down to the back corner of Law Reference and Computers (where the Java books are misshelved in Operating Systems, right next to the latest Harry Potter), and then leave a back-breaking stack of crap behind.

Sigh. That felt better.

The one thing I would add is that currently the biggest problems at my bookstore are coming from top-top-level management. The workers are overworked and pissed off, the managers can't do anything about it because they have their orders, and the ceo is sitting pretty counting pennies. A great many problems at the store would be solved by more power at the lower levels of management, or visits from the big cheeses. I don't think chain bookstores are evil by nature, but the added levels of infrastructure seem to make it easier to fuck things up. Oh well. What do I care? I called in sick today, and it's only my second job anyway - as if I could live on $7.25 an hour!
 
 
moriarty
19:34 / 26.07.01
Amen.

I've developed an acute hatred of Brides and people who are looking for a new haristyle.

The sad part is, if the store managers were given more freedom, the customers would be happier, the employees would be cheerier, and the stores would make more money.
 
 
Loomis
13:14 / 08.11.05
*bump*
 
 
Ariadne
15:40 / 08.11.05
I do end up buying in chains, principally because there aren't many other options. In Auckland, NZ, it was much easier - there were a couple of fabulous, independent bookshops. But i haven't found anything similar in Edinburgh - or even London, to be honest. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.
I certainly like to shop in independent booksellers, partly because how can I dream of running a bookshop if there are none left? I don't think anyone dreams of managing a Borders store. Well, that's a silly thing to say, I'm sure some people do just that. But it's hardly a romantic dream.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
13:15 / 09.11.05
We only have two chains here in Ireland, really. Well, three-ish, but Hughes & Hughes is a chain of small bookshops. We have Waterstones - which do 3 for 2 sales, and generally have a really nice ambiance, being kitted out in dark wood shelves, stairs and such - and Easons, an Irish chain that devote as much space to stationary and other bits and bobs as to books, and are plastic-y, neon-lit, and not really very nice places to be. Waterstones' staff generally have a more bookish look about them, and read behind the tills, whereas Easons' tend to just sit there looking bored.
Dawson St on Dublin is a good place to go for books; facing each other are probably the two biggest bookshops in the city, Waterstones and Hodges Figgis (I don't think it counts as a chain as there's only one of the in Ireland...and it's part of the same group as Waterstones anyway). Both shops occupy magnificent, somewhat eccentric old Georgian buildings, and are a pleasure to browse.
 
 
doozy floop
20:06 / 10.11.05
What about the successful independent shops cashing in on their so-special-and-unusual status and insidiously spreading and behaving just like a major chain but without ever appearing to do so and therefore avoiding all the negative connotations that, for some people, accompany the chain?

Foyles is going to be opening new branches all over the place soon, you know. They treat their staff just the same as Borders do, and are unlikely to stock any more interesting or unusual books than Borders because the possibility of that sort of thing is largely controlled by the imprints and, to a extent, by the purchasing power of individual staff. And as soon as you have anything like a Head Office, then that purchasing power is limited.

Does anyone even think of Foyles as an independent any more?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
23:25 / 14.11.05
Speaking from a [now] Australian perspective, I have to say that in terms of chains, there's worse ones to have than foreign ones. You could have local ones.

There's a couple of great indie bookstores in Sydney - though one could argue that Gleebooks is almost a chain, and that Berkelouw doesn't really count as they're mostly second-hand - but I've found the best range of stuff to come from large chains. Kinokuniya is one of the best bookstores in the city, while even Borders (which sucks, I know) offers a range that far outstrips our tired local chains such as Dymocks.

It's disappointing, but it seems the way it is - local chains think that they can survive by merely selling Bryce Courtenay books. Hell, maybe they can, which is worrying...
 
  
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