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The ultimate reading list???

 
 
enough
18:20 / 12.07.01
Hate to be a pain BUT, can you people post some of your favorite books for me and why they rule?
I've read VALIS and cosmic trigger and what not...hoping to expand...thanks peeps!!
I WANNA BE SMART TOO!!!!
 
 
Utopia
09:48 / 13.07.01
some of my recent favorites:
hunter s thompson- fear & loathing in las vegas, hell's angels
iain banks- the wasp factory
cornelious ryan- the longest day
joseph heller- catch-22
herman melville- moby dick, typee
g green- the quiet american
edward abbey- the monkey wrench gang
chuck palahniuk- fight club
w somerset maughm- the razor's edge
george orwell- 1984
zamaytin(sp?)- we
see also: greek drama
mix with vodka & enjoy
 
 
Traz
09:48 / 13.07.01
Well, just off the top of my head...

Evolution and the Myth of Creationism by Tim M. Berra. Ought to be mandatory reading if you live in the American South.

Microserfs by Douglas Coupland. A bunch of geeks search out the meaning of life while trying to get rich. (Quoting from memory: "You've become a Marxist? Christ, that's like saying you've become Bugs Bunny.")

Sunset Express by Robert Crais. The most intelligent bit of private eye fluff I've ever read, with an ending that makes you sit up and blink.

Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard Elliott Friedman. Cures fundamentalism once and for all.

Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. Possibly the greatest science fiction novel of all time, and it was first published back in '39.

Animal Farm by George Orwell. A fairy tale from Hell. ("Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better!")

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the Fool
09:48 / 13.07.01
Kurt Vonnegut - Cat's Cradle
Greg Egan - Diaspora
Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
 
 
Opalfruit
09:48 / 13.07.01
Ooh, books.... off the top of my head....

(Hmmm Zamaytin's We, is on my books to read list).

'The Anti-Pope' - Robert Rankin
'A Dog Called Demolition' - Same man.

'Day of the Triffids' John Wyndham

'Flow My Tears the Policeman Said' Phillip K Dick.

'The Great Gatsby' F. Scott Fitzgerald.

'Excession' Ian M. Banks.

'Cats Eye' Margaret Atwood

'The Monk' Matthew Lewis

'The Unusual Life of Tristan Smith' Peter Carey

'I, Claudius' Robert Graves
'Claudius The God' Robert Graves

'Strandloper' Alan Garner

'Titus Groan & Gormenghast' Mervyn Peake

'Flashman & the Flashman Papers' Robert Macdonald Frasier (read these they're absolutley fantastic!)

J G Ballad Read his short stories they're mind blowing!

It's all fiction. I'm sure I've read stuff that's not just fiction.... damn, can't access that part of my brain just yet...
 
 
Wombat
09:48 / 13.07.01
Opalfruit you have splendid taste.

just add

mr tompkins by geaorge gamow

hyperspace by michael kaku (ok I can`t spell this name from memory)

anything by umberto eco

the magus by john fowles

the man who was thursday by chesterton
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:48 / 13.07.01
Before the board melted, there was a huge thread about books people think they should've read, in order to try and assemble some kind of Barbelith Bibliography. I know it's been collated - perhaps we could hold off this until Macavity or Tom post it here? Otherwise it'll just end up with people repeatedly offering the same suggestions - and it's just that you might have a gem to offer that's not been nominated before; but wouldn't think to say it because other works that're on the list might spring to your selection first?

Anyway. Just a thought, before the thread gets as huge as I think it'll be...
 
 
Cat Chant
09:48 / 13.07.01
V good point, Rothkoid, and I know I'm being a bit naughty in jumping the gun, but I'm fairly sure Dennis Cooper hasn't been recommended before - I'd notice 'cos I love him.

"Queercore" books about love, sex, violence, the body, surfaces, skin, pain, love... the last in a 5-novel cycle was published about a year ago. Titles are:

Frisk, Closer, Try, Guide, Period.

Also a rockin' collection of short stories called "Wrong".

Don't read if you have a sensitive stomach - I had to throw Frisk physically across the room, leave the room and go for a walk at one point. Then I was scared to come back into the room. It was like Joey on Friends having to put The Shining in the freezer. Oddly, this is pretty much the only non-kidfic I read.
 
 
deletia
10:03 / 13.07.01
Actually, I think I recommended DC last time around, along with his Anglo cousin PP Hartnett.

Maybe we can do a "recently read" thing until Macavity sees if she rescued the bibliography.
 
 
Jamieon
10:28 / 13.07.01
Recently read (over the past 5 months or so):

'Jane Eyre' - Jane Austen

'Pixel Juice' - Jeff Noon

'Vurt' - Jeff Noon

'Empire Of The Sun' - JG Ballard

'The Wild Sheep Chase' - Murikami (carny remember his first name)

'Cocaine Nights' - JG Ballard

'The Users Guide To The Millenium' - JG Ballard

A collection of short stories by Ethan Coen, whose title I have trouble remembering.

'45' - Bill Drummond

'Catcher In The Rye' - JD Sallinger

'Franny And Zooey' - JD Sallinger

'Oliver Twist' - Charles Dickens

'Concrete Island' - JG Ballard

'The Ecstasy Club' - Douglas Rushkoff

Every Harry Potter

'Idoru' - William Gibson

And I've just started 'Sexing The Cherry' by Jeanette Winterson.
 
 
deletia
10:40 / 13.07.01
Ahem - see "Recently Read" thread, Books section.

Sorry for the inconvenience.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:46 / 13.07.01
Just dropping in to say: I do still have the list, sans links, and will sort it out either this evening or tomorrow when I get back from scattering ashes in rural Nottinghamshire.

So far it looks like the overlap isn't actually that enormous, but do hold horses etc for the time being. Thanks.
 
 
Fist Fun
13:30 / 15.07.01
Books that I can see in front of me that I would heartily recommend -

Hand to Mouth - Paul Auster

Post Office - Charles Bukowski

erm, ok that is the only two of the ones I can see that I would recommend, otherwise -

Walden - Henry David Thoreau

Ender's Game - Orson Scott card

Down and Out in Paris and London - George Orwell

Trainspotting - Irvine Welsh

...Ian Banks used to work where I work just now...which is interesting
 
 
Templar
01:37 / 18.07.01
My recommended three writers and books:

The Western Lands, William Burroughs (seeing as it's his best, also Cities of the Red Night for an example of the kind of "writing your own history" storyline also found in The Invisibles)
American, Don Delillo (one of the best living writers, also Underworld)
V, Thomas Pynchon (because it's got everything, and Pynchon is way ahead of the rest. Also Gravity's Rainbow, but only if you've got a spare month and can find a good guidebook)

Yes, I know, they're all American. And?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:36 / 19.07.01
Hoi, kittlings... here is the old list, in handy alphabetised chunks.

A-C

Kathy Acker, Blood and Guts in High School
Margaret Atwood, The Handmaid's Tale ('there are people who haven't read that?' - [your name here]), Cat's Eye, The Robber Bride
Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica
Nicholson Baker, Double Fold ('looks as if it will be an interesting consideration of the relationships between books as carriers of information and books as artefacts.' - Macavity)
James Baldwin - Another Country
Georges Bataille - The Story of the Eye
Alfred Bester - Tiger! Tiger! ('Probably the best science fiction I've ever read, by the guy who Harlan Ellison describes as a writing god. Hardboiled prose with more ideas per chapter than most writers use in their entire careers, and a heart and soul too'. - Jack the Bodiless) - currently available under the title 'The Stars their Destination', apparently
William Blake, Complete Poems
Harold Bloom, The Western Canon ('it is still useful to read about what makes a traditionally canonical book canonical. Some might call Bloom a reactionary ... but for a theory of what makes a poetic or literary genius, and why it is valuable to read, he's worthwhile. Particularly good is his reading of Freud as literature rather than "science."' - todd)
Dorothea Brande, Becoming a Writer ('eerily prefigures neuro-linguistic programming in a LOT of particulars. ’ - todd)
John Brunner, Stand On Zanzibar
Scott Bukatman, Terminal Identity: The Virtual Subject in Postmodern Science Fiction
Anthony Burgess, A Clockwork Orange
William Burroughs, works, The Western Lands ('slick use of his bag of tricks' - [your name here]), Cities of the Red Night
Italo Calvino, Cosmicomics ('How the world was made. ' - grant), If On a Winter's Night a Traveller...
Joseph Campbell, The Masks of God ('an encyclopediac survey, following in the tradition of Frazer and Jung, about the structure of myths from prehistory to now. ' - todd); The Man with a Thousand Faces
Albert Camus - The Outsider
Orson Scott Card, Ender's Game & Speaker For The Dead
John Carey, The Intellectuals and the Masses
Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass
Angela Carter, Love, The Infernal Desire Machines of Doctor Hoffman
R. W. Chambers, The King in Yellow
G. K. Chesterton, The Man who was Thursday ('My favourite book by my favourite writer. Influenced The Prisoner, Ian Fleming, and shitloads of others. A surreal spy novel written in 1904. ' - Jack the Bodiless)
Jonathan Coe, What a Carve Up! ('Excellent read, and very good on the damage done by big people to little people' - Macavity)
Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness, Under Western Eyes
Peter Conrad, Modern Times, Modern Places
Susan Cooper, The Dark Is Rising Sequence
Julian Cope - Headon ('He's hilarious, and this is a fucking great book of reminiscence...' - Jack the Bodiless)
The complete poems of Stephen Crane

... and breathe...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:46 / 19.07.01
D - G

Don DeLillo ('probably one of the best writers chronicling the US of the past 50 years' - tracypanzer) Great Jones Street, Underworld, White Noise
Philip K. Dick, VALIS
Dostoyevsky - The Gambler
Bill Drummond - 45 ('He's still certifiable, you know. I insist on being as cool as him if I grow up'. - Jack the Bodiless)
Laurence Durrell - The Alexandria Quartet )or its constituent parts: Justine, Balthasar, Mountolive and Clea)
Umberto Eco, The Name of the Rose
T. S. Eliot, The Waste Land
Bret Easton Ellis - American Psycho, The Informers
Ralph Ellison, Invisible Man ('How to become invisible, and the internal revolution. ' - grant)
James Ellroy - The Black Dahlia
Richard Erdoes & Alfonso Ortiz, American Indian Myths & Legends
Richard Farina, Been Down So Long it Looks Like Up to Me ('The 60s, but not in a hippy trippy kind of way. Campus politics, sex, drugs, invisible-ness, and revenge. Read it but watch out for the monkey!' - Dr Sax)
F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
G. Flaubert, Correspondences
James Frazer, The Golden Bough
Kinky Friedman, works ('for general, stupidly punny and un-pc fun fiction-suiting' - Kooky)
Jostein Gaarder, Sophie's World
John Gardner, The Art of Fiction
William Gibson, Idoru ('he actually used the words 'full-on shamanistic meme scan' when asked about his source materials, which makes me think he either reads Morrison, or all these people hang out at the same bar, or something.' - tracypanzer), Neuromancer
J.W. Goethe, Faust Part 1
William Golding - Freefall
Edward Gorey, The Unstrung Harp ('a melancholy take on the trials of being an author.' - Macavity)
Robert Graves, The White Goddess ('idiosyncratic journey... about poetry and its relationship to the matriarchal tradition. Visionary poetry. ' - todd); The Greek Myths
Alasdair Gray, Lanark
The Brothers Grimm, complete Fairy Tales
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:56 / 19.07.01
H - M

Nathaniel Hawthorne - Complete Short Stories
Joseph Heller, Catch-22
Herman Hesse, Siddhartha, The Glass Bead Game
Homer, Iliad & Odyssey
Michel Houellebecq, Atomised/The Elementary Particles ('because of all the cool cloning stuff it brings up. ' - tracypanzer)
Lewis Hyde, The Gift
John Irving, The World According to Garp ('the best book about a writer ever. Gloriously funny, supremely sad, you'll slow down reading the last few chapters because you won't want it to end, and when it does you'll cry.' - Dr Sax)
Tove Jansson, Moomin books
James Joyce, Ulysses, Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation
Franz Kafka, The Trial
Jack Kerouac, On the Road ('despite what you read in the Beats thread, it's fucking genius. Prose poetry coming on like a freeform jazz solo, a band of adventurers forging an alternative lifestyle against the post-war consumer ethic. Which is what we're all about, surely.' - Dr Sax), Subterraneans, Dharma Bums
Daniel Keyes, Flowers For Algernon
Maxine Hong Kingston, Tripmaster Monkey ('basically the experiences of a chinese-american guy at univeristy in the 60s. much like gnossos in been down so long..., he offers an outsider's/foreign view of something that is usually only documented by the caucasian viewpoint. ' - Kooky)
Barbara Kruger, Remote Control
Milan Kundera - The Unbearable Lightness of Being, The Joke
Jonathan Lethem - ('interesting spins on several genres ' - tracypanzer) As She Climbed Across the Table, Motherless Brooklyn, Girl in Landscape, Amnesia Moon
H. P. Lovecraft, Crawling Chaos (anthology)
Richard Matheson, I Am Legend
Mezz Mezzrow, Really the Blues ('A memoir of the Jazz Age from the man who (claims to have) invented the term "jam" for musicians, sold dope, did time, played with Louis Armstrong and crossed Al Capone. ' - grant)
Walter M Miller, Jr., A Canticle For Leibowitz
Michael Moorcock, Jerry Cornelius Quartet
Haruki Murakami - ('weird, somewhat addictive sci-fi/noir ' - tracypanzer), A Wild Sheep Chase, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, Underground
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:56 / 19.07.01
N - R

Stephen Nachmanovitch, Free Play How creativity really works (Quotes Bach, Chuang Tzu, Picasso and pretty much everybody else. A schematic for how to improvise successfully. A strict analysis of creative chaos. Amazing book. ' - grant)
Pablo Neruda, works
Friedrich Nietzsche, Homer's Contest ('transformed ancient culture from a jaunty albeit dusty adventure story into something that could truly illuminate the human condition. ' - todd); Thus Spake Zarathustra
Anais Nin, Little Birds
Jeff Noon, works
Flann O'Brien, At-Swim-Two-Birds ('contains some very interesting stuff on the relationship between the author and his creations.' - Macavity); The Third Policeman
Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club ('despite its flaws a very "punk" book' - Grimly)
Plotinus, The Enneads
E. A. Poe, works of
Ezra Pound, ABC of Reading
M. Proust, Remembrance of Things Past
Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials Trilogy
Thomas Pynchon, works
Ishmael Reed, Mumbo Jumbo ('Like an Illuminatus Trilogy for the blues. Black Masons. U.S. Marines in Haiti in the 30s. ' - grant)
Tom Robbins, Half Asleep in Frog Pyjamas
Avital Ronnel, Crack Wars - Literature Addiction Mania
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:56 / 19.07.01
and to finish....

J. D. Salinger, Franny and Zooey ('It helped me get over my bitterness and hatred of people in general.' - Hui neng)
Michael Schmidt, Lives of the Poets ('an excellent basic introduction to poetry written in English.' - Macavity)
Jody Scott, Passing For Human and its sequel I, Vampire
Shakespeare, The Complete Works
Steven Soderbergh, Getting Away with It
Maynard Solomon (ed), Marxism and Art
Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ('Ostensibly about the cracking of the Enigma code and its direct links through time to the setting up of our current information-based society, but fuck that: these are some of the best-drawn people in modern literature. ' - Dr Sax); The Diamond Age
Laurence Sterne, Tristram Shandy
Jonathan Swift, Gulliver's Travels
William Tenn, Of Men and Monsters
Dylan Thomas, works (poetry)
Virgil, The Aeneid
Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle, Mother Night, Hocus Pocus, Timequake
David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest, Broom of the System, non-fiction
Alan Watts, The Book, The Way of Zen
Tennessee Williams, Collected Short Stories ('it depicts life lived at the deadly pace of freedom many of us on here crave.' - muse)
William Carlos Williams, works
Robert Anton Wilson, The Illuminatus Trilogy; Prometheus Rising, Cosmic Trigger
Virginia Woolf, Orlando

The Bible (CD ROM or King James Version)
Norton Anthology of English Literature


Not much non-fiction, as most of that was covered in the other bibliography threads...

You may continue.
 
 
Dee Vapr
09:56 / 19.07.01
I'd add

Jorge Luis Borges - Collected Fictions
Douglas R Hofstadter - Godel Escher Bach

both of which are completely essential, and I cannot believe they didn't make their way into the above list. Maybe I should have posted them at the time
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:56 / 19.07.01
It is possible that I saved the thread before it had run its course - I don't think the list should be regarded as definitive in any sense.
 
 
Tom Coates
09:56 / 19.07.01
I can't believe there are four vonnegut novels mentioned and not ONE of them is Slaughterhouse 5!
 
 
covenant
09:56 / 19.07.01
Hmmmmmm - first post, here goes....

Excession - Iain M. Banks
Neuromancer etc. - William Gibson
Chronicles of Thomas Covenant - Stephen Donaldson
A Scanner Darkly - Philip K. Dick
Rim - Alexander Besher
Remix/Red Robe - Jon Courtney-Grimwood

That's just a few off the top of my head....
 
 
Rex City-zen
18:36 / 25.07.01
23!
 
 
Ierne
19:00 / 25.07.01
Brendan Behan. I love his writing because he was incredibly earthy and funny, but he often wrote about heartbreaking subjects (capital punishment, war...). He was humane and thoroughly wicked at the same time.

Play-wise, I'd suggest reading The Hostage and The Quare Fellow. Book wise, his autobiography Borstal Boy is brilliant.

I fuckin' LOVE Brendan Behan!

[ 25-07-2001: Message edited by: Ierne ]
 
  
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