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Censorship on TV and in the Movies

 
 
Jot Evil Rules During Weddings
06:53 / 18.09.07
I looked through Barbelith and I could not find a big thread about censorship on TV and in the movies. Since it is something that I care quite a lot about, I thought I would start this thread to share my views, and hear other peoples views as well. So here it goes...

I am very sick of the amount of censorship on the television in the United States these days. I know when I go to France and watch TV or the movies, they tolerate so much more than they do in the US. I like that the United States is a free countrym that prides itself on the 1st amendment and the freedom of speech, and yet there are so many words that you are not allowed to say on TV, The other day I was watching the movie Me, Myself and Irene, with Jin Carrey, and there is a scene with a dildo. Now they blurred out the dildo for the TV version. There was no nudity at all in that scene and yet they still felt it necessary to blur it out. What are we coming to? How far is the censorship going to go?

The Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction really increased the amount of scrutiny on what is on TV. Groups such as the Parents Television Council, run by the Evangelical Christian L Brent Bozell, were outraged by the flashing of a breast on national television. I did not understand the uproar, all women have them, it is a natural thing. The flash was for like 2 seconds, most people missed it originally, including me. This rise in concern for sex and violence led the FCC, the governing body, to start censoring even more, what went on TV. All of a sudden, things were on tape delay because they were worried about a stray curse or a flashing breast (although the censors did not catch Kanye West's diatrabe about Hurricane Katrina).

The censorship has gone way too far, people have a right to say what they want and do what they want. It is also the other people's right to turn off the program if they believe that it will be offensive to them. There are ratings to tell you whether it is appropriate or not. Don't tell me that you are watching The Soprano's and then complain about the cursing and the violence, for there are warnings that there is cursing and violence. The same is true for movies. If you are going to a rated R movie in the United States, or a 16 and up movie in other countries, you know that there will some inappropriate things, so don't see it if you will be offended. If everyone lived by those principles, then there would be more creative freedom and people would watch it or not, it is up to them. That is my opinion on censorship in movies and television
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:56 / 18.09.07
I was watching This movie is not yet rated last night and the usual depressing points came up: that violence is fine, as long as it's not at all realistic and is being sold by a major company; that a man having full sex with a woman is fine, but two women or two men kissing gets an R-rating; that the regulators are all in the pay of the big studioes. It's a terrible situation by all accounts.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:58 / 18.09.07
I should add that sometimes, perhaps regulation might need to happen; we need to know what our kids are likely to see on TV or at the cinema so we can talk to them about it - but what's is happening now is clearly not the right way.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:21 / 18.09.07
So how do we make the world a better place then you two?
 
 
Dead Megatron
16:55 / 18.09.07
By making a movie where everybody has full sex with everybody, while engaging in some un-realistic CG violence, talk shit about God and use a buckload of drugs (and don't even get their cumeupance in the end)???

But I bet it's already been done, somewhere, somehow, only it didn't get good distribution...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:12 / 18.09.07
That's a good point, Our Lady. A start would be making a better ratings board. Obviously, beyond our own little crowds, we can't turn everything into a Rabelaisian paradise overnight...
 
 
pfhlick
18:16 / 18.09.07
Americans have some very confusing ideas about the power of images and how to use them positively. While I don't think that pornographic depictions of sex are necessarily healthy, instructive, or entertaining, neither are pornographic depictions of violence. The latter are, of course, much more prevalent on TV and in movies in the US. The problem with these types of images is that they tend to be a spectacle for its own sake, removed from a story, any ordinary, lifelike flow. Sex is hidden and usually shameful, or gratuitous and transactional; violence is cartoonish, fun, inconsequential, or else it must be too mature for teh kidz.

I grew up watching a whole lot of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Watching that with my parents and their friends certainly gave me some good nudges towards a liberal, humanist worldview, and considering the effect that show had on my development later gave me pause and an opportunity for reflection on the values I nicked from it.

I saw Pulp Fiction when I was 10 or something, Akira when I was six. I didn't understand everything that happened in those movies, nor were they necessarily explained by my parents. I enjoyed some bits, found others incomrehensible or scary, forgot about others. Quite like how I consume such images nowadays, although now I have a larger vocabulary to articulate my own experience of them.

I saw and used porn well after I became interested in sex, sometime before I did it myself. I suspect my own experience with "forbidden" images as a youngster is not all that uncommon, especially with the widespread access to the internet you find today. I learned more about sex and love from literary explorations. Porn is always about masturbation, which is laden with guilt in this culture. Perhaps that explains the separation of porn from other types of programming on television - if one could openly watch porn, they'd probably begin to openly talk about masturbation.

I recently rented John Waters' A Dirty Shame with my partner and we chatted and guffawed for some 95 minutes straight. This prompted us to rent This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated, which, while far from a perfect film, certainly put a spotlight on the flaws in the current film rating system. While I generally ignore movie ratings and encourage the underage to sneak into any flick they can (movies are so overpriced!), I realize that many people's viewing habits are actually restricted by this secret organization's edicts. It's frustrating. Rather than engage this stuff critically, people are encouraged to narrow their own worldview to fit what they see on the tube. Anything else is unmentionable.
 
 
pfhlick
18:21 / 18.09.07
Sorry for the double post! Computer class is ovvvvvah!

That's a good point, Our Lady. A start would be making a better ratings board. Obviously, beyond our own little crowds, we can't turn everything into a Rabelaisian paradise overnight...

An alternative to the current ratings board is exactly what is needed, perhaps something modeled off of Creative Commons alternative copyright schemes. An open system with clear definitions of various ratings - and public feedback.

Aside from that, buy unrated movies, recommend them to your friends, support your local art house, and stop watching idiotic summer shoot'em-up blockbusters?
 
 
PatrickMM
18:54 / 18.09.07
The problem in the US isn't so much the actual banning of adult content, though as the recent Emmys censorship brouhaha shows, that is out there. It's more that people outside the system have made the NC-17 into a rating that's just not workable for any kind of mainstream success, thanks to ad boycotts and many multiplexes not playing the movies. the same is true for TV-MA stuff on the networks.

But, in general, TV is a lot less restricted than it was as recently as ten years ago. There was no equivalent to shows like the Sopranos, or even FX and Showtime stuff then, and hopefully we'll keep moving towards a more open airwaves.
 
 
Jot Evil Rules During Weddings
03:56 / 19.09.07
I also have a problem with the ratings system as a whole, as I see it more as a restriction as a way of informing people of what type of content is in the movie or TV show. I feel like the rating system for movies or TV is a way to further censorship because it makes the producers or directors conform to the ratings. Patrick brings up a good point that films that are rated NC 17 are not able to be commercialized unless they are heavily cenosred.

One movie that comes to mind right away for me at least, is Requiem For A Dream. There is a heavily edited (which really means censored) version that is rated R. Originally, the movie was rated NC 17, but the director appealed the decision. He claimed that cutting a scene was tantamount to destroying the movie. When he lost the appeal, the director decided to reject the rating and release it unrated.

The rating system is very flawed and it is used as a way to continue the censorship that is taking place in the media. Artists should be able to express themselves freely, and yet this is not the way it works in reality. The freedom of expression has been degraded in the United States and censorship has become a reality.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:22 / 19.09.07
Americans have some very confusing ideas about the power of images and how to use them positively.

I'm far from convinced that it's accurate to say this about "Americans". You could make an argument that the British Board of Film Classification's approach is more laudable than that of American regulators, but there are still numerous problems, starting with the still existing discrepancy between attitudes towards sex (or, arguably more problematically, nudity) and violence. It's possible to present "action", what we might call softcore violence, in a way that will enable your film to reach a family audience, and ironically this is done by downplaying the consequences of every violent act.
 
 
ibis the being
22:02 / 19.09.07
The problem in the US isn't so much the actual banning of adult content, though as the recent Emmys censorship brouhaha shows

Well, but that one's about political censorship rather than adult content, isn't it? For those who missed it, in her Emmy acceptance speech, Sally Field said, "And, let's face it, if the mothers ruled the war, there would be no goddamned wars in the first place." They cut her mike so that you missed not only "goddamned" but the whole rest of the sentence. They also cut away from the audience reaction to her comment.
 
 
pfhlick
03:23 / 22.09.07
Hrm, that was a bit of an outburst on my part. Apologies for the amerocentrism of my post, too.

I must admit, this topic makes me fairly livid. I think that on the whole, there is a lack of reflection on the part of the entertained, with regards to their entertainment. Film ratings make it easy for, say, a parent, to select some random dancing lights and sounds to with which to pacify an annoying brat, and be sure that junior won't come home asking any difficult questions.

For those who missed it, in her Emmy acceptance speech, Sally Field said, "And, let's face it, if the mothers ruled the war, there would be no goddamned wars in the first place." They cut her mike so that you missed not only "goddamned" but the whole rest of the sentence. They also cut away from the audience reaction to her comment.

Ibis, how do you know what her full comment was? Is this online somewhere? I don't watch much television, so I'm probably missing a lot of censorship (ha ha) but even from the little bits I catch, it certainly is interesting how celebrities are depoliticized or denied a chance to speak candidly at live events. Brings to mind Kanye West's deviation from the script a little while back.
 
 
Jot Evil Rules During Weddings
03:49 / 01.10.07
This topic also makes me livid. I find it ridiculous how conservative the television channels are when it comes to broadcasting anything that might be offensive (although they do broadcast the O'Reilly Factor, which I find offensive in many different ways). The film ratings are relatively arbitrary as This Film Is Not Yet Rated shows. I understand that there needs to be some sort of rating system (modified from the current version of course) , but I think that they should be for informational purposes only, there should be no age limits for what movies people can watch. I believe that people have the right to make their own decisions, if I choose to see a rated R movie than that is my choice.

About the Emmy's, while I did not see it, I find it shocking and sickening that Fox, of course it was Fox, would censor a political statement like it did. It reeks of Chinese Central Television or the Soviet Information Bureau. While it probably was not appropriate in the venue he said it, I am glad that we were allowed to hear the opinions of Kanye West, because that is not an opinion that you would ever hear on the evening news.
 
  
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