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Let's hash out some guidelines...

 
  

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Alex's Grandma
15:34 / 18.09.07
Well, as has already been discussed, there are people who do not find banning threads enjoyable or entertaining, but rather tiresome and draining.

Sure, but talking about getting rid of them is something else altogether. I mean people often complain about the multi-page arguments and I can't see those going anywhere in the immediate future, if we're about to welcome in new blood.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:54 / 18.09.07
True, but we do need a degree of transparency. Personally, I still think that the best balance with the technology we have got is that if the board is not actively under attack, that is the potential bannee has abandoned all hope of not being banned and is flaming, then a three-day banning thread should be enough to kick around the key issues, at the end of which process the moderators vote. If things are more serious than that, either an admin steps in or we appeal to Tom, depending on what happens with that.

This does not affect the utility of Terms and Conditions, though, which are basically what message boards with open or largely open or indeed any admissions have. It is honestly a bit mad that we haven't had them since the UBB days. These to cover the specific things you should not do - multiple suits, spam, repeated merchant links, repeated and/or unapologetic hatespeech (in the opinion of the board), unsubstantiated generalisations or misrepresentations based on race, gender or sexuality (in the opinion of the board), harrassment of other members (in the opinion of the board) - an explanation of roughly how they have been identified previously, and an explanation of what will happen if a large enough number of people on Barbelith feel that they are being perpetrated - and what you should - accept that your posts may be edited or deleted by moderators, who will do their best to explain why, accept that the decision of the moderators and owner of Barbelith has final say on decisions to withdraw your membership of Barbelith, undertake to accept such decisions as final, undertake not to seek remedy by means electronic or physical to reverse or defy the withdrawal of membership, and so on. Nothing that will be read, but things that can be pointed to, to avoid, for example, the situation where every new incarnation of a troll not only gets people saying that he or she is not the troll in question, but then, when that is established beyond doubt, arguing that he or she deserves a fair crack of the whip, having gone to the trouble of sneaking back onto Barbelith to ask what happened to [previous, banned suit], who seemed to have a lot of good ideas.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:31 / 18.09.07
having gone to the trouble of sneaking back onto Barbelith to ask what happened to [previous, banned suit], who seemed to have a lot of good ideas.

I've been meaning to ask how IP tracking would work on the 'lith. I know I can track IPs for posts to the Man-Man message board and my blog, which has been useful for dealing with some problems in the past. Is that available for Barbelith?

Before anyone says it: yes, I know that institutions like schools and offices often share one IP address. But it could still come in handy to know that Darkewindeshadow231, who has popped up asking what happened to the rapier-witted japery of Darkewindeshadow230, is posting from the same IP.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:58 / 18.09.07
I don't thiink Tom wants to talk about the specific mechanisms, as it makes them easier to get round, but he did say:

Banning, if I remember correctly, stops the user from logging in, so they can't post or anything. It doesn't scramble their password and they can't get a new one, they're just marked in the database as verboten.

It also does some other things designed to stop people just collecting a new user name and reregistering based on IP address and stuff like that.
 
 
Tom Coates
19:13 / 18.09.07
It's a sub-optimal moderation strategy that relies partly on secrecy, but there you go. We have a technique in place which is difficult to get around designed to kill people who misbehave with multiple user names.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:37 / 18.09.07
Good enough for me. Back to guidelines!
 
  

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