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All Acting Regiment
16:45 / 28.08.07
In 2003, was into comics briefly, which got me to the name "barbelith"; found it was a good place to discuss everything else as well. At first I was a bit of a wanker in the music fora, then I got better, I think.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:20 / 28.08.07
I'll be crushingly obvious: Seaguy.

I finished reading that book, thought: "My, that was a terrific comic book. I wonder what other people thought of it?", and found my way here. Barbelith became a daily read and I imbibed enough of the culture of the board to positively want to be part of it. After about a year on the lurk, registrations opened up and mine was accepted (Vincennes and Anna, you were too kind).

Since then I've averaged about a post a day, on topics of little to no consequence, been through a couple of top level suit name changes (Canty > Fat Lee > Mysterious Transfer Student) and eventually carved myself a niche as one of those people who know a lot about anime and cyberpunk, and very little about anything else. So I'd like to think that if I came to Barbelith or its successor afresh today, it'd be the occasionally highly intellectual, well fashioned, polite and impassioned discussion of pop culture that'd make me consider it a refreshing alternative to discussion of same elsewhere; the higher reaches of Head Shop, Switchboard, Temple providing the place with some depth and ventilation not to be found on, e.g., the SFX forum. LOLcats plus or minus.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:27 / 28.08.07
I stumbled in drunk, and people didn't kick me out.

That's pretty much the actual truth- the first time I ever actually had a computer that could access the interbutts I stayed up drunk all night looking for fun shit. I found this place. I don't remember any of the other places I found, this was the cool one. I posted tiny bits and pieces, then got glued to the Switchboard when 11/9 happened, and somehow found myself to be a regular poster. Myself, Naked Flame, autopilot disengaged and a bunch of other people who aren't here anymore decided to troll some pro-war chatrooms, and I got kind of bonded. Then I met a bunch of 'lithers in real life (Fly, Anna, Lady, Angel, Bill...) and it all seemed more real because they were real people.

And I kind of got stuck here. There are far worse places to get stuck. PLEASE don't die, Barbelith, or I'll be stuck in THEM. And they're all full of wankers...
 
 
Ticker
17:38 / 28.08.07
by all that's holy why does the thread have alex's grandma's...issues as the starter but inside it has Allmacto Regimat?
 
 
This Sunday
17:58 / 28.08.07
Could AG's have been modded away that fast?

Anyhow, I found it for The Invisibles, I'm pretty sure. I lurked off and on since what were probably the last days of the Nexus Era. When the atmo became palatable enough, I signed on and started posting pretty quickly, mostly to Comics. Eventually, I broke out into the rest of the board, for better and for worse, sickness and in health and occasionally in my cups, as well. I still get much of what I came for, these days, as I did whenever ago, if maybe a little less - but I check the board more frequently these days, too.

The board can't die, for our sakes and for the safety of less-polite, less-intelligent-discussion-of-pop-ephemera discussion-filled, less palatable boards we would inevitably wander into. And the main players need to stay, because Crom and Commander Breetai forbid that we ever get so depleted I become the poster people think of when they think of the board! AG's posts are disappearing, Stoatie's going off for beer, and I haven't seen Haus post in... in... in hours! And I don't know what got SI/XK here, yet, at all!
 
 
Papess
18:08 / 28.08.07
by all that's holy why does the thread have alex's grandma's...issues as the starter but inside it has Allmacto Regimat?

I KNEW IT! They are the same person!
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
18:18 / 28.08.07
Hold on, there was an AG post at the top of this thread the first time I read it.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:23 / 28.08.07
Guh?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:29 / 28.08.07
Not to say that, MO ... He doesn't want anyone to know.

Sorry, everyone, about any confusion. I'm happy enough for the thread to keep going; it's just that for a while I lost faith in it.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:30 / 28.08.07
Well the answer to how I found the place doesn't quite answer why I joined, so I guess I should go into that first - I found this place back when I first got a home computer with internet access in 2004 when registration was very closed, due entirely to the Invisibles, mainly because of Granville Mormon's directions to the site in one Invisible Ink column.

However if the site had been what I thought it would be - IE basically an Invisibles/Morrison fansite I don't suppose I'd have bothered with the registration process - especially since I mainly lurk on the Morrison threads anyway, as I usually find that someone else has usually come up with those exceedingly rare clever insights I might be blessed with first. I'd have just popped by as an unregistered lurker once every few months I suppose, as I do on a lot of comic book sites.

So I'm mainly here because Barbelith was, and still is, even now a fantastic read - there might be a dearth of new postings right now, but there's still a fantastic amount of old good stuff to read here. I can still walk away getting something out of most visits I make to Barbelith. Most recently for instance I've been getting into Anime, and Barbelith as proven an absolutely indispensable guide to what shows I might find entertaining.

So as to why I'm a poster - well it mostly comes down to wanting to take part in the board, and the feeling that since I get so much out of these boards I oughta at least be trying to make a contribution. Compared to many of the established posters, a good number of whom have posting abilities I am frankly a little in awe of, I'm terribly lacking in either intelligence, confidence or both, but I just think it just wouldn't be goshed well right to sit around getting as much as I do from the board without doing my damndest to contribute in some way.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
19:44 / 28.08.07
Well.

After developing a pathological LOATHING for Morrison's Invisibles thing (I'm not joking, I detest it, I vastly preferred Doom Patrol and Zenith and things like that) when it veered away from plot into the deepest, darkest recesses of Morrison's head, I looked at Barbelith a few times, and thought, "No WAY am I going to hang out with all those people who are obviously going to be as disgustingly self-obsessed as GM himself".

I wandered back and forth a few times, microlurking sporadically, never being the least interested in actually registering. I was in a bit of a Magic Funk, having been a XXXAOS MAJIKAN or something before reading the Invisibles obsessively and furiously from cover to cover just to make myself even angrier about how VERY VERY WRONG GM was about things, and assumed that Barbelith was all about GM and his pals.

I wandered away, muttering obscenities under my breath, fumes of concentrated hate collecting around my furrowed brow, and frothing magic nonsense spontaneously and magnificently under street lamps to imaginary foes all related to or pals with Morrison, much to the trepidation of random passers-by.

I'm not joking. I was really, genuinely, very angry with him. I thought his work was properly magical and NEGATIVE, dangerous and destructive, useless to ordinary people, infectious and unhelpful to the Comics scene, misleading to people who wanted to practice magic and basically a wankfest of epic proportions. I was horrified at his hubris. Essentially I thought he was using his audience as dumping ground for his own psychic toxins.

You can imagine my reaction to "The Filth".

So, anyway, I got over all that and started peering at Barbelith round about the beginning of this year after having spent a couple of pleasant years involved in nice, wholesome, unparadoxical drumming magic which cleared my head of quite a lot of nonsense thoughts about magic and how the whole thing was invariably awash with amazingly irritating people (that wasn't at all just Morrison's fault, I hasten to add, not by a long shot). It was good, and I decided not necessarily to forgive him but at least to go and noise up some of his pals to see if they had anything interesting and non-patronising to say.

Imagine my amazement when I actually sat down and read the board!

I thought: "Oh dear. There are lots of unhappy people." (The board was Under a Cloud at that time. Numerous harrowing bannings and arguments had taken place and everybody was a bit... fractious) "I know! I shall go and post some nice threads and make people happy and an unambiguously silly, self-deprecating way and make some new pals, which is always good fer a larf. And in the process I shall spread love and delight!" I'm not joking about that, either. I made a conscious effort to try and make my threads fun to be in and fun to take part in. I had this idea that the board was a little too dry.... And I think I was right at the time, although subsequent explorations of the board's past revealed that there had been silliness and delight in abundance long before I showed up.

Over the past few months I have wandered away, to Wales, to Arran, to Bordeaux, to various drumming places, leaving Barbelith to trundle on happily, assuming, with hubris equal only to that of Morrison himself, that I had helped to turn the tide, and that people were a little more open to having fun with the board as well as engaging in the very dry stuff, with every intention of returning to re-engage in my love-spreading exploits, only to find upon my return that "everyone had gone back to hacking lumps out of each other".

Which was not, perhaps, strictly true.

I was disenchanted.

And I kinda stopped posting.

Before anyone sticks the boot in, there was nothing consciously "magical" about my attempts to make people have more fun. I'm good at getting groups of people to join together, usually. It's one of my skills. And, generally, even though people haven't necessarily asked for that sort of input, they are appreciative of it. It's very often the case that communities that have a tendency to fall to bits are missing "glue" people, and such communities benefit tremendously from even one person putting conscious effort into coming up with ways for the group to walk about together on common ground. It doesn't have to be wondrously exciting or inspiring common ground (and the person doesn't even have to be terribly good at it, they just have to be conscious enough of it so that they can do something about it), it just makes it easier for people to *choose* between a combative or cooperative approach in a situation which can be mistakenly perceived as *necessarily* combative, which is a big, big problem in groups of very intelligent people, particularly when they're talking about things they know a lot about... Many highly intelligent people get well into their 50s without ever really realising that the desire to skewer your debating opponent with a hideously keen and accurate linguistic lance is rooted in exactly the same instinct that motivates 8 year old thugs to sit on skinny little boys and stick pencils in their ears. The 8 year old thugs have the opportunity to revise their natures as they get older. The highly intelligent skinny kids sometimes don't...NOT that I'm pointing any fingers.

The experience of narrow, combative discussion along prescriptively channelled lines doesn't foster the sensation of the participants occupying common ground, and this sensation is necessary for a community. There's rarely anything to be gained from banging your head against an intelligent brick wall, even if the wall's right and has become a wall through being intelligent and usually in the right.

I joined Barbelith to try and create some (more) common ground.

So. There you go.

In fact, I've got a lot more out of it than I put in.

I really feel a bit silly about the whole approach now.
 
 
Feverfew
20:05 / 28.08.07
My initial exposure to Barbelith as a messageboard was having thought "Oh! I wonder what happened to that annotations site I used to look at when I was a teenager?"

And suddenly there was a messageboard instead of what I remembered. It was really compulsive reading. I was a Barbelith Reader towards the end of my student days, then I forgot about it in the transitional phase into Real Life, and then came back here about three years ago.

About two years ago, I finally plucked up the courage to apply, and then promptly forgot about it. Until an email turned up in my junk mail inbox inviting me to join.

And so I did.

(The board was Under a Cloud at that time. Numerous harrowing bannings and arguments had taken place and everybody was a bit... fractious)

That's what it felt like when I joined, so I lurked and occasionally popped up and posted when I felt sufficiently confident.

Since then, Barbelith has taught me basic html, some fireftp, that an NGE marathon dazes me for around three days afterwards, and that there are good people and there is worthwhile debate out there on the internet. I'm glad I came here. The current debate is sad, yes, but I think it's just something that's been a circular debate coming to some form of conclusion, or at least the end of a longer loop that may mean escape velocity can be achieved from the supposed doldrums.

And I really do remember the thrill of the first time I was barbe-quoted.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:56 / 28.08.07
Well, everyone starts out with good intentions, DB.

But it's just so easy to get distracted.

Stalin must have wrestled with this sort of thing when he first hit office. I'm not saying you are worse than Stalin, of course I'm not, but ... well, meaningful silence, I guess.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
21:12 / 28.08.07

Shrug. I'm dim.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:21 / 28.08.07
God, Alex's Grandma really is an evil genius, isn't she?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:25 / 28.08.07
Oh come on Sib, you know who Stalin is ... He fell into the sea, he stood against John Major in the early Nineties?
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
09:31 / 29.08.07
Stalin Schmalin.

It's dicks on the table time, I say. Dicks on the table and MALLETS ALOFT!

Who flinches? WHO'S THE FLINCHER?

If the site's to rot, let it ROT and let it be a fine, slithering, murky, slimy, worm-ridden rot at that! May a miasma of meaningless gibberish descend! Let motes of ugly joy float upwards, delicate as moths and ash, to sting the mucous membranes of the ungodly...

FOULNESS, FILTH AND DECREPITUDE! Old friends of yours, I'm sure Granny.

Let it be an oily swamp, a screeching car crash, a glimmering, spooky, ethereal shipwreck at the bottom of the sea, aslosh with disturbing revelations, lopsided leers and rheumy eyes... let it stink, let it fester, let it linger!. Let it bubble and let it squeak!. Let mutated, wilful horrors clamber forth from it in sadistic, gleeful abundance! Let's all dress up as cuddly HIV viruses and paint lurid slogans on the sides of bouncy castles!

Just don't let it FADE.
 
 
Ticker
13:07 / 29.08.07
And I don't know what got SI/XK here, yet, at all!

Oh well the spouse is a big time Invisibles fan. The comics having crawled into his hands and introduced him to Chaos Magick and filthy filthy weird letter column suggestions when he was a youngin'. so when we started courting a few years back he showed me the site which was closed at the time. Then he bought me the trade paperbacks which I'm currently rereading before lending out to epona.


After being shown the rainbow text of the Board I sent in an email and didn't hear anything for a year. then I tried again last year and got in. It was the magical BDSM thread that set me pounding on the door of the Temple.

I ran afoul of Haus pretty quickly in the headshop and thought for certain he was a brilliant ancient shut in hellbent on educating the dimwitted by fire or by sword. But it got sorted. then I asked if anyone would deliver an offering token in the UK for me and Gypsy Lantern lit a fire under my ass about practicing where you are rather than focusing on far off places. It was a very useful moment of shockabuku and I put more effort into my local practice and got on a plane to go to the UK directly. The fascinating and uber patient Seth was kind enough to come meet me in the hinterlands and drive me into London where many of the other folks came and jumped around. I discovered that Haus is in fact a very charming handsome brain in a jar and that GL was one of the most gentle kind people I've had the honor of meeting. However my heart was absolutely stolen by rosie x's graciousness, Saturn's Nod's brilliance, and Quantum's delightful madness. I've never met Jack Denfield that I know of, so in my mind Stoatie is actually in charge.

I'd really love to see the board develop a shared mod ban hammer so it could be thrown fully open. Well..with one of the text verification sign up thingies to prevent bots...
 
 
Razor Wind
20:39 / 29.08.07
I found passionate,intelligent discussion about a popular animé that wasn't swinging between rabid fanboyism and snobbery. Also,they cared about their writing and grammar and let you talk normally,in the same forum,about other shows as well,genre be damned.

Do you know how rare that is? Pretty friggin' rare.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:34 / 29.08.07
What am I doing here?

Shhhh. I'm hiding. Don't tell them where I am.
 
 
Quantum
22:36 / 29.08.07
I'm here because of Seth, but I stay for the Stoat.

I'm not too worried by the current introspective malaise, the quietness of summer and low point in the cycle will pass, and I just started reading Reacher so if necessary I'll stay here and read until some people wander back, keep the campfire burning in the Temple and whatnot. But I predict a good Autumn* for Barbelith this year.

*Fall
 
 
Tsuga
22:41 / 29.08.07
*Spring for those of you in the southern hemisphere
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:59 / 29.08.07
I came...I came, I suppose, for the annotations. I found them, they were incomplete and terribly, terribly orange. But there was a link to this thing called Barbelith, which I was confused. Was it more annotations? I clicked, I was shocked. I looked around, then sent in an email for registration, waited around, got a suit. Then I lurked, and lurked, and lurked. I was at the time imprisoned with a tower by an aging wizard who demanded that I speak his name to produce some scandalous magical effect--I didn't, I begged off, I was treated to Scherezade treatment up in the battlements for many nights, unwilling to say the name.

Eventually, I made some graceless post somewhere in the Comics, I think it was one of the Invisibles threads, something about Lord Fanny I expect, then shut up for another three or four months. After that, it was baby steps and baby steps. Across a cold, stony floor.

Eventually, the geezer let me walk away after a fortnight of me declaring his name backwards. He knew, eventually, when he was beat. I found an overcoat, an ancient typewriter, and a pair of boots. I made my way up a hill. And I read the Lith along the way.
 
 
Saint Keggers
23:21 / 29.08.07
I heard there was punch and pie.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:22 / 29.08.07
All we got is cake and booze.
 
 
grant
02:04 / 30.08.07
Uhhh, that's not actually cake....
 
 
Saint Keggers
02:07 / 30.08.07
Yes it is. Says so right here. Cake. I guess Urinal is the brand name? Strange.
 
 
This Sunday
02:09 / 30.08.07
I think he means the other cake. The one the not-in-the-knows refer to as a 'brick.'

Still, if it's made of white powder and brings happiness, and inspires people to try and steal the last bit... that's a cake, right?
 
  
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