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Take Me To The Wieringo-verse!

 
 
Grady Hendrix
17:35 / 22.08.07
I can take or leave Mike Wieringo - he just never made a huge impact on me as an individual voice. I enjoyed some of his work, but not enough to seek it out. However, Mark Waid's recent post on Newsarama remembering his friend Mike Wieringo and some upcoming projects they had talked about really struck a chord with me. Who doesn't want to see this gawkily adolescent LEGION OF SUPERHEROES? Who doesn't think this would have been a great follow up to Jeff Smith's CAPTAIN MARVEL? And, most importantly, who doesn't think this would be a great version of AQUAMAN?


It's the Aquaman pitch that kills me the most. Leaving aside Mark Waid's weird asides ("I’ve been doing a lot of reading about the culture of Russian courtship..." huh?) this could have been a perfect Aquaman comic book - I know I would have bought copies of the first few issues just to support it. It's optimistic, it's a comic book as a fairy tale, the art looks great and...DC rejected the pitch twice. Are these guys stupid? Short answer: yes. Long answer: in a world where "fun" comics are outlawed, only outlaws will have Fun Comics.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:18 / 22.08.07
Yeah - it's interesting and sad to see how fantastic the work on Wieringo's website was. I mean his published stuff was very good in itself, but some of the unpublished stuff on ths site was in a whole different league - energetic, fun, and just plain beautiful. Wieringo was I think an artist who had only just begun to show us what he could really do.

Looking at that stuff right now is a weird experience for me, because the sadness of his tragic early death, and the sheer joy that bubbles out of the art sort of intertwine in my feelings as I'm looking at it.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:37 / 22.08.07
I'm all for joy, but if that's all there was to that Aquaman pitch, I'd have bounced it in a heartbeat. I've opened the .doc about three times, each time looking to see if I'd missed a page. or five. It's all attitude and no story.

Obviously Waid's aiming for a mood piece, but c'mon: even those gawdawful Alex Ross oversized art books (BATMAN: WAR ON CRIME et al) had some semblance of a plot, of conflict—of somebody wanting something, and either getting it or not.

"Aquaman is this really cool guy and he takes this chick and they, I dunno, swim around and do stuff" is not a pitch; that's a guy grousing after a couple of beers. And Waid's being disingenuous if he claims he can't understand why DC bounced it.
 
 
This Sunday
18:42 / 22.08.07
Not all entertainment is plot-based.

Show me the strong plot in Burroughs Soft Machine or in DaVinci's interpretation of Leda and the Swan.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:46 / 22.08.07
And those were fantastic comic books!

I don't think a property like Aquaman could in good conscience be used for a Cages-style exploration of plot-free theme, really.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:48 / 22.08.07
And it doesn't sound any more ill thought out than at least three of the five different directions different writers have taken the recent Aquaman book. And we'd at least have had the lovely art with this idea. I'd have been quite comfortable with the idea of a minimaly written Aquaman book as a vehicle for Weiringo's art myself.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:49 / 22.08.07
Cross-post as may well be clear.
 
 
This Sunday
18:56 / 22.08.07
"Aquaman is this really cool guy and he takes this chick and they, I dunno, swim around and do stuff"

Swap some details, like Aquaman/Little-Nemo and swim/fly and you've got, wow, yes, brilliant comics! So why not with Aquaman? Same thing with Morrison's Doom Patrol or a random three months of serialized Calvin & Hobbes. Savage Dragon. Any healthy run of Betty & Veronica stories, despite having a weak plot to move each smaller story along. NEXTWAVE.

Separately: Wieringo's Mary Marvel = YAY!!!
 
 
Grady Hendrix
18:59 / 22.08.07
Yeah, sorry - this is popping up in several places already so I guess it is a cross-post. Not by me, though. Does that make a difference? How does this internuts thing work, anyways?

Realize that Waid's thing is a pitch, not a treatment. When I write a pitch for someone it's generally a page that gives them a rough idea of what will happen but that mostly conveys the WAY it happens so that they can say, "Nope, sorry, we don't like cuddly and fun stories told in a pop-art style about fetuses from the future coming back to destroy the earth's women," or, "No, we don't have room for a highly eroticized Care Bears/Batman crossover with dark attitude and graphic violence oozing out of its orifices like KY jam." A treatment would describe the plot in detail, how it unfolds and what goes on there-in. And I think, especially in the case of Waid and Wieringo who are known quantities, that saying, "Got room for a fun, happy Aquaman-meets-girl fairy tale," saves everyone time. They can either say, "Sounds good, show us more," or they can say, "No, sorry. DC is just in the business of gangbanging childrens' characters with soiled dildos these days. But thanks for checking in."
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:03 / 22.08.07
Yeah, personally I'm not sure why a pitch containing as few words as 'Mark Waid, Mike Wieringo doing a joyful version of Aquaman' and a couple of Mike's pictures wouldn't have been very seriously considered.
 
 
Aertho
19:30 / 22.08.07
Sorry guys, I'm with the Fear.

Aquaman is a SUPERHERO. No matter how light the tone gets, he still has to hit stuff.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:32 / 22.08.07
Just read the pitch and although the tone sounds fun, there isn't much substance to it other than "Aquaman will meet a girl & charm her, and here's the tone we want to set". Although it still might have been a decent book, had it been given a chance...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:15 / 23.08.07
Let's not forget that when Marvel revamped Namor as a cool young surfer dude, it was widely derided as Poochy-ism, as a sad attempt to keep up with the kids. I'm not making a judgment on the quality of either that comic or the Aquaman pitch being discussed - it's just that people tend to see the pitches that never got accepted as great lost ideas, whilst being more critical of the ones that get made...
 
 
FinderWolf
22:15 / 23.08.07
True, that Namor series you're referring to was literally just 'The Little Mermaid' in comics. Forbidden romance = land girl in love with Namor. That was pretty much the only plot that was there. It was like Nice 1950s girl dating Cool Misunderstood Motorcycle Dude, their parents just don't understand and want to keep them apart, two different worlds colliding, etc. etc. .....
 
 
FinderWolf
14:33 / 27.08.07
Project Rooftop has an official Wieringo week!

Check it out.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:48 / 27.08.07
The first set are pretty awesome, Finder- I was looking at them earlier this morning. The one set with an Impulse redo and a Flash redo are super-keen! I would love to see a Flash wearing that white-and-red gear.
 
  
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