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Millar and Hitch take over FANTASTIC FOUR

 
  

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Mark Parsons
00:14 / 12.08.07
I thought that the issues of Ultimate FF Millar did with Greg Land were fabulously entertaining and creative, so much so that I had been hoping he'd take a stab at the mainline FF book. Now he and Hitch are on FF as of January. I'm psyched: these characters deserve a creative and sales upswing, which they are sure to get now.

Over on Newsarama, Hitch offers an explanation for his ULTIMATES lateness (nutshell: burnout, stage fright, obsession with unobtainable "perfection") and FF is promised regularly with a nine month lead.

What sayest you people?
 
 
This Sunday
00:51 / 12.08.07
If Millar stops dancing about with anal terror and hardman thuggery and channels some of that posthuman relationships and mad parties on interdimensional spaceboats stuff he only promises in interviews and half-demonstrates in one panel per storyline in nearly every book he does? I could dig that. If it's as clean as his family-friendly stuff, no thanks, or his risque hypermodern speak-2-da-youth stuff. Hopefully he'll be the social-'splodey Millar we are occasionally promised, with that familial core kicking about.

I'm such a big FF fan, but so many runs of the last fifteen years have just fallen terribly short for me.

Not looking forward to the prominent cheekbones Johnny will no doubt be sporting. Was it Trina Robbins that sketched the All-American brylcreemed bishie Johnny Storm, years ago, all lithe sexy hawtyboy on fire? Less Larroca and Byrne, more Sturm/Kirby with some Jae Lee eyes.

So, less photo-referencing from celebs, less cheekiness, and less lens flares from the art. From the writing, no assraping and no hardmanning for at least five issues, exchanging those big loud cosmic weirdness and constant whining and thrashing from out heroes.

Now that all the fannishness is exchausted from me, damn I hope this is good.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:25 / 12.08.07
Millar's Ultimate FF run (with often unfortunate pencils by Greg Land) was really entertaining and lots of fun, and no anal rape was implied or used. So I expect lots of good stuff from this, and Millar's mission statement for it seems appropriately ambitious.
 
 
Mark Parsons
03:55 / 12.08.07
RE: UFF, I actually began to LIKE Land's hypermaxim style on the book. Those Zombie FF folks were remarkably effective when rendered in his style.

And UFF had plenty of mad ideas on the page, rather than promised. I'm no automatic Millar booster - thought he absolutely destroyed WANTED in the final tell and don't show issues - but I think this FF run will rock. I expect Millar to check his hardman routine at the door, as it does not fit with FF's tone.
 
 
Mug Chum
04:40 / 12.08.07
If he goes for something like he did in those Superman stories of his, I might go for it. If he goes through fluff-celebs, parties, everybody being a dick, awezomes rockrollz life-styles (seriously, it's like David Brent speaking) and totalliez anally pwnes! material, I'll keep a safe distance.

And I really dislike Hitch's art. To a immense degree.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
13:08 / 12.08.07
Just one more person weighing in as a fan of Millar's ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR run, but then again I liked Warren Ellis' run on that title and no one else seems to so what do I know? For Marvel's number one title the FF have had a string of b-listers at the helm more than they should. The Kirby/Lee years were great, the Byrne years were good, and I really liked Walt Simonson's run. But beyond that none of the writers or artists on this title stand out for me.

I'm expecting good things from this, and I while I'm not a Bryan Hitch fan I do like his work for the most part and I'm glad he admitted that he had a real psychological block with THE ULTIMATES - there's no other way to account for how late that book got. And the first step in solving a problem is to recognize that there is a problem.
 
 
Mark Parsons
15:08 / 12.08.07
Ellis' UFF were pretty decent, IMO, although a big let down after Millar and Bendis' intro arc.

On FF, Waid and Ringo's run is definitely worthwhile, although real stellar sparx never quite flew after a GREAT 99 cent first issue.

I doubt Millar will use his hardman routine on FF. Certainly hope Brevoort reigns him in on that, anyway.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:08 / 12.08.07
Colour me cautiously optimistic. Ultimate Fantastic Four was probably the best thing Millar's done since Swamp Thing - none of the bumsexfear that sometimes characterizes Millar's work, and the characters where the most likeable they've been in the run of the title. It was an interesting look at how fun Millar can be when he leaves his issues at the door and just sits down to write a fun, entertaining comic book. Of course I'll beleive it'll come out regularly when it happens, since I'm sure I remember something similar being said about the Ultimates 2 before it launched.
 
 
Mark Parsons
15:14 / 12.08.07
Hitch offers a pretty compelling reason why U2 was later than late: bascially, he was...errr..a leetle crazy and obsessive when working on it.

Also, he has 4 issues of FF in the can done in five months time (8 covers too), plus the series does not debut for another 4-5 months. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here, although I am not sure of the run is 12 issues or 30.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:03 / 12.08.07
Millar has said the run will be at least 12 issues/1 year, but that he and Hitch are planning on it being open-ended for a while. Much like Morrison's run on BATMAN, the run is open-ended (and in this day and age, that means we can hope for/expect maybe 1 1/2 - 2 years' worth of stories from the team).
 
 
Spaniel
08:26 / 13.08.07
I'm not entirely convinced by the reasons given by Hitch for the lateness of the Ultimates. Isn't it a matter of record that Hitch wasn't responsible for the extreme lateness of the final episode?
 
 
DaveBCooper
11:34 / 13.08.07
To get around the whole schedule thing, might be a good idea if Marvel just package it as a nice fat original GN/trade, and let them take as long as they want to finish it.
Courage of your bookstore-lovin' convictions, chaps, I dares ya!
 
 
Janean Patience
11:46 / 13.08.07
The pitch to Marvel's marketing department:

"How about we voluntarily deprive ourselves of a significant income stream on this new, hotly-anticipated, sure-to-sell-well book? There have been complaints on the internet, you see."
 
 
FinderWolf
14:48 / 13.08.07
what exactly doesn't convince you, Boboss? It's clear that it was late because of him, and he gives the reasons. Perfectionism, performance anxiety, neurosis, paralyzing fear, etc. -- it happens to artistic folk, you know, from time to time, especially when the world expects consistently amazing things from them. And art is a lot more labor- and time-intensive than writing, as we know.
 
 
Mug Chum
15:43 / 13.08.07
I remember reading Millar saying it was all on him. Might make me naive and all and he was actually taking the heat (specially since you can't really believe that he took a lot of time to write that, so...).
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:56 / 13.08.07
Millar for all he can be a bit of an arse at times, does strike me as the kind of guy who probably would cover for a mate who was having mental health problems, so that sounds entirely believable to me.
 
 
Spaniel
16:52 / 13.08.07
Oh, I'm not suggesting that Hitch is being entirely untruthful, just that his account isn't the entire truth (I can't remember the details, but didn't Hitch mount a hardcore defence earlier in the year when Quesada blamed the most recent bout of Ultimate Lateness on him?). It seems to me that the writers and artists try and keep the heat off the company rather a lot.

If I were the PR guy I know I'd prefer to lay the blame at the door of temperamental, yet oh-so-visionary, creative types, than bad middle or upper management.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:09 / 13.08.07
ah, I see what you mean now... well, maybe we'll never know [da-da-DUMMMMMM!!!!!] .... the sinister, REAL TRUTH behind the delays.

*coughHitchwasabductedbyspacealiensandisembarrassedtotalkaboutit,unlikeGrantMorrison*cough*
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
21:55 / 13.08.07
I thought Millar's Ultimate Fantastic Four was easily the best thing he'd done since at least Red Son, and definitely the best the book had ever been. Then again, I agree that I'll believe this book will be monthly when I see it. Because... yeah... 26 issues and one annual in a six year period...
 
 
FinderWolf
15:04 / 09.01.08
bump, since this comes out in a few weeks... rather looking forward to it.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:20 / 09.01.08
Boy, I'm glad you resurrected this, I don't think we'd really had enough pre-issue discussion, but now we've got a few weeks to get really in depth about what might happen.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:39 / 09.01.08
I just hope that we can get some links to other bulletin boards talking about what they expect of it.

It's maybe a forlorn hope, but if you don't ask, you don't get.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:00 / 10.01.08
I don't think we'd really had enough pre-issue discussion, but now we've got a few weeks to get really in depth about what might happen.

I take your point, but often comics are like what used to be known as 'marital relations', don't you find? In the sense of the wild, crazy anticipation being so much sweeter than the tawdry end?

That said, the last time anyone tried to take my clothes off without being paid minimum wage (and not a penny more!)was during a key-swapping party, in the experimental 70's, so I may not be the ideal 'go-to' person about this.

The idea of gratification, on any level, was not something we were raised with, you see.

Perhaps people expect the world on a platter these days, and are justified in doing so, who knows?

But aren't those of us who are resigned to a life of quiet, ennervating disappointments entited to our dreams? And our nightmares?

Either way, I would be surprised if Mark Millar decided to explore the conjugal possibilities that are implicit, perhaps, in the basic idea of the Fantastic Four. They've been up in space and returned different, so no one understands them. What would Alan Moore make of them, one wonders? 'Flame On!' 'It's Clobbering Time!' and so on? The Invisible Girl/Woman. Mr Fantastic, who can perform unnatural feats, with his flesh.

He'd have a field day, wouldn't he?

Specifically, he'd have the kind of field day that Mark Millar can't allow himself, at this stage in his career. The minute one raises the issue of relations, unchristian or otherwise, in the Fantastic Four, this sort of ... abyss, really, opens up. And it's a darkness that Mark Millar will not be going anywhere near, I suspect.

If the villains (Dr Doom? The Mole Man?) were into Mark Millar's apparent fave adult crime/narrative device, they'd have to deal with the consequences, all right, but then again, so would Mark Millar. There'd be a scandal in the papers.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:00 / 11.01.08
Specifically, he'd have the kind of field day that Mark Millar can't allow himself, at this stage in his career. The minute one raises the issue of relations, unchristian or otherwise, in the Fantastic Four, this sort of ... abyss, really, opens up. And it's a darkness that Mark Millar will not be going anywhere near, I suspect.

It would rather render the slash makers obsolete, wouldn't it? And I have this sneaking suspicion that Millar wouldn't actually, ah, create anything really creative or different. Not exactly a battlefield I'd want him to enter, certainly. I've seen some of the slash. It generates its own abyss, yes? I mean, you can't really bear witness to a Human Torch / Thing story without it changing you. Deep down. Inside. Do we want to open that abyss for the faithful readers? I mean, these people who can't relate to a married Spider-Man. Do we want them to see all of that, and be overwhelmed or horrified or whatever?

...

Actually, maybe we do.

I'll probably at least look at the thing, in the store, because I'm a sucker for Hitch (even if I prefer Jae Lee's Fantastic Four for its uncomfortable sex appeal -- see above), but if there's more than two splash pages I'll probably put it right back down again. But I might still dream about it. In compromising positions.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:30 / 11.01.08
Millar hinted that an old flame of Reed's might show up called "Mrs. Fantastic" - or a character with that name who isn't necessarily an old flame...? Sort of reminds me when Mark Waid had a female Indiana Jones-type character show up as an old flame of Reed's in his run... we shall see. I do like the idea that Millar has set the goal 'the original FF had original, fresh, mind-blowing concepts, and we are going to try to do the same' - curious to see how it all works out.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:01 / 11.01.08
I'm curious why recycling a plot element from Waid's run counts as being cutting edge and firing new ideas into the FF. Sure, the Faux-Lara Kroft counterpointed the tension between Sue and Namor by having tension with Reed, but is that really the only thing they can come up with vis-a-vis the marriage? Jealousy?

I want more of Sue's dynamic with her brother. I'd actually like to see Johnny nurture her a little bit rather than the other way 'round. Something to shake up that interaction.

The only recent development I can think of that sort of fascinated me about Reed was that he invented psycho-history, 4 reals because he read Asimov. And that was a clear attempt to justify Reed's bizarre crossover-related psychosis.
 
 
FinderWolf
04:09 / 11.01.08
I like the idea about Johnny nurturing her. I actually seriously do, although I just thought of a silly concept for a panel where there's a "NURTURE!!!" sound effect.

well, who knows if "Mrs. Fantastic" (or "Ms.?") will be a ripoff of the Waid plotline. The actual release of the books will tell us....
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:29 / 11.01.08
During the Waid run, there was a story arc where Sue freaked out at Johnny for failing to grow up and put him in charge of the FF, Inc. part of the group's dynasty. It would be interesting to see if some of his development from that arc carried forward and we saw him attending to Sue's problems or encouraging her.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:17 / 11.01.08
It would rather render the slash makers obsolete, wouldn't it?

I suppose. On the other hand, what's the League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, really, except, perhaps, the best kind of slash? In the sense of it being about well-loved characters, as re-imagined in more Adult situations. Slash gets a bad press, but surely, as with all other lit efforts, the thing is just to give everything to the material?

So, why has Mark! Millar! agreed to write 'Fantastic Four' at this stage in his career? On Millarworld, he repeatedly talks about being given carte blanche by Marvel - he could have done anything, so why this? I'm not for a second buying the idea that Mark! Millar! 'loves' these characters, or Jack Kirby - Mark! hates the world and everything in it, obviously he does.

It must have been difficult for him, though, as this particular sort of 'son of the manse' puritan, hanging about with Angelina Jolie on the set of 'Wanted', recently. Has all that light and space put a zap on his head?

It'll be interesting to see what Mark! does with the characters generally. But what I'm hoping, personally, is that his run on 'Fantastic Four' will be about a misunderstood genius, his hectoring wife, and his stupid friends that have been holding him back for years. In the same way that Millar's! take on 'Wolverine' was basically about frustration, sexual and otherwise. There's that great line about Daredevil - 'You're not that smart. You're not that rich. You're not that funny ... How can you be getting so damn much of something I barely had in years?' Without wishing to play the 'am dram' psychologist, was Matt Murdoch really who Mark! Millar! was talking about when he wrote that?

And now he's different, bloated with success.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:41 / 11.01.08
Basically, what grotesque shapes will Millar's ill-formed psyche spew onto the page? In the name of entertainment?

(I'd have posted this on 'Millarworld', but there have been ... discussions.)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:53 / 15.02.08
Okay, shit, maybe I'm all alone, but I read it. I read it and I liked it. It seemed to distill the FF down to some fundamentals and come up with some spin.

Other than the cover -- spew -- Hitch was pretty bang-on, though his rendition of Johnny just isn't pretty enough.

1. Great opening; I wonder what it must be like to be Franklin's teacher, reading his "What I did on my vacation" essays. It starts with a bang.

2. Sue's estimation of Johnny is probably the best explanation of Johnny Storm ever.

3. I didn't hate Alyssa Moy as much as I did during the Waid, though her name still urks me for various reasons.

4. Sue has her own team! It goes unsaid in the actual comic, but the thing I like about this first chapter: the Fantastic Four is the perfect opportunity to portray what post-Civil War life is like for a group of registered superhumans, who are living the high-life. Sue hanging out with the girls seemed to really punch it for me.

5. Doombots? Yay! Now, I just hope there's no actual Doom waiting in the wings.

6. Earth-Trust hopes to be an interesting plot, especially for anyone remembering the High Evolutionary and Seventies Marvel.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:31 / 15.02.08
It wasn't awful.

It's just that there's nothing that can be done with these characters, by now.

Also is Mark Millar a buster?

Dear readers, I fear he might he.
 
 
Mug Chum
16:55 / 15.02.08
Is that because he's been saying the classic heroes (like Superman) are da bull now, that there's nothing that can be done with them and he's done all (you know, except for "FF" and "Wolverine:Have-a-go-at-my-man-crush-on-Clint-Eastwood")?

(and is 'buster' slang for 'poser', 'that doesn't keep it real' and 'someone who rats out your friends'*?)

*(slang translations brought to you by urban dictionary)
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
21:52 / 15.02.08
Well, TLC sung in their pointed, if fair, deconstruction of men who can't drive 'No Scrubs' that:

A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me
And is also known as a buster
Always talkin' about what he wants
And just sits on his broke ass


Maybe Alex's Grandma knows something about Millar's financial situation that we don't. Then again, given the amount of anal rape in Millar's oeuvre, 'broke ass' might be nothing to do with the state of his current account.
 
 
matthew.
21:52 / 15.02.08
I liked it. It was decent enough. Is it just me or is Hitch's pencils sort of rushed-looking? If so, that doesn't bode well for the final issues....
 
  

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