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Tony Wilson is Dancing With Heavenly Party People

 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:05 / 10.08.07
Apparently Tony Wilson has died from cancer. Lovable geezer or feckless chancer? I must admit, Madchester was a scene that didn't really interest me at the time, being a soft Southern lad, what little I know is from '24 Hour Party People', so I step back to let those more knowledgable take the stage...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:06 / 11.08.07
I always found him incredibly annoying, to be honest, but there's no doubting his importance to British music, which is more, well, important. I'm actually surprised by how much this has saddened me.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:00 / 11.08.07
This is a shame. He didn't exactly do great things himself, so much as make it possible for the musicians on his label to do them, but that's a talent in itself. The people he worked with (Martin Hannett, Shaun Ryder, Bernard Sumner etc) seem to have been able to do whatever they wanted whenever it suited them, with minimal interference, and a lot of it was excellent, in a way that it mightn't have been if they'd been recording elsewhere. And it's hard to imagine anyone else in the UK music business (Richard Branson, Chris Blackwell, Alan McGee ... it's a grim list) being good-natured enough to put up with a film like '24 Hour Party People' being made during their lifetime. Or, actually, interesting enough.

No doubt, he was a terrible old lovey, and a shockingly bad businessman, but there are worse things to be - he'd abhor the sentimentality, I'm sure, but still, if there
is a heaven, Anthony H is hopefully now boring Jimi Hendrix senseless, while Ian Curtis rolls his eyes in the background.
 
 
Spaniel
18:04 / 11.08.07
Hit hard too, Stoats. There's no way around it, Tony Wilson was one of the people on my map o' the world, and when those fuckers die, well, you lose something. He helped some of my favourite bands evar carve a space, and did his bit to forge a context for many others that I love or have loved.

And, fuck, the Hacienda. I might not have been there, but by shit I felt it's influence.

Any of you 'orrible ignoramuses who don't know who Tony Wilson is could do worse than watch the brilliant 24 Hour Party People. One of Michael Winterbottom's best, I reckon, and a nice primer on the Manchester music scene.

Now, why is this only the 4th bloody post? Barbelith, you depress me sometimes.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:09 / 11.08.07
Whatever his faults, I much prefer his brand of bumbling idiocy to the traditional "Ubermensch" businessman type. At least he seems to have set out to have fun.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
11:43 / 12.08.07
Awshitfuckbollocks. I was a little young for the Madchester scene, and I mainly know who Wilson was from the excellent 24-hour party people movie, but I know enough to know that this is a real pisser. The dude might have been annoying, but by god he made a huge contribution, not just to the british music scene, but via his facilitation of Madchester to the whole British youth scene. If not for his contribution to culture Britain today might be a different and worse place. It's a sad, sad thing that he's dead at fifty-fucking-seven.
 
 
COG
12:04 / 12.08.07
There's a nice assessment of his impact here on the Blog of Momus.


From reading about him it seems like he was the very definition of an independent music person. The image of suit and, later, reading glasses is so very English and contrary to the Rock n Roll world that he inhabited.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:10 / 12.08.07
I think a lot of my initial dislike of the man stemmed from reading that he'd said some very nasty things about Ian Curtis's suicide when I was at an impressionable age (ie when I was about 16 and absolutely fucking obsessed with Joy Division). I'm pretty sure he was taken out of context, looking back, but my reaction was largely to that.
 
 
Spaniel
17:19 / 12.08.07
TBH, I'm rather suspicious of all that "Tony Wilson is a berk" stuff.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
17:35 / 12.08.07
Isn't the berk business something he himself gave an impression of rather delighting in at times? Doesn't make it any more or less true I guess, but if he genuinely took some pleasure in it, then I think it does make it potentially a rather softer criticism than it might otherwise be.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:20 / 12.08.07
How much of it's been generated by the film, anyway? Not that I've seen it, still. He always seemed like a decent enough, intelligent chap when I saw or heard him on the tv/readio.

I was surprised by the news - didn't even realise that he was ill - but my reaction's largely muted by the fact that I wasn't paying much attention to his involvement in the music industry when his input was at its most crucial. Factory releases didn't feature heavily on my soundtrack at the time - I've no doubt that they were hugely important in helping to encourage what I *was* listening to, and I did come to appreciate it later on, but at the time, not so much.
 
 
Janean Patience
09:57 / 13.08.07
Growing up in Manchester, there were two Tony Wilsons. As shown in the film, there was the one on Granada Reports, a cheesy regional news presenter who also turned up on local late-night stuff pontificating with a view of Manchester in the background. And there was the other one, intimidatingly cool, who ran Factory Records and the Hacienda and Dry Bar and brought us all our favourite bands. As I progressed into my teens the two images moved together, overlapped and eventually became one. A person with many metaphorical mansions.

There was a Tony Wilson quote I've struggled to find about Madchester being the first British musical movement to be authentically working class, in contrast to punk (among others) which was led by middle-class art school students. It's a statement which sounds good but I can't imagine stands up to investigation. Nonetheless, what made Factory different was Wilson's abiding faith in the working classes of Manchester. Joy Division might have been given a chance by somebody else, but the poetry of Shaun Ryder's lyrics and bludgeoning, raw singing wouldn't have been appreciated so quickly by any major labels. Wilson stayed true to his belief that working-class lads, bands who weren't afraid of squaring up to their audience, were the geniuses he was looking for and for the most part he was right.

We liked Factory bands more than the others at my school. Not because we were obsessive labelheads but because there was something in the aesthetic. Older brothers were into the Smiths or the Stone Roses. We, at a comprehensive in an undistinguished area, were all into New Order and the Mondays. Wrote For Luck was one of our anthems. We liked these bands from the grim urban sprawl of Manchester who didn't dress up their music, who knew how to make danceable songs that still sounded bastard hard, who took drugs and who had no intention of losing their grounding in the city. Manchester has always been very proud of Manchester. Factory's bands expressed that.

Or some of them did. Because it would be unjust to remember Tony Wilson, a visionary and a pioneer, without remembering the massive amount of crap that Factory produced. The names haven't stuck with me, but he signed some awful, awful bands and believed in them for album after album. He had a particular penchant for fey, delicate female singers whose ethereality was totally at odds with his more successful signings and whose music performed accordingly. It all used to get played on local radio and an entire city suffered.

So: Tony Wilson. Genius, legend, pompous and pretentious, who did more to make the city he loved what it is today than will ever be recognised. RIP.
 
 
Janean Patience
09:22 / 14.08.07
A day later, it occurs that if he'd done for London or Bristol or even Reading what he'd done for Manchester, he'd have died Sir Tony Wilson. But at least he was a prophet with honour in his own city.
 
 
doctorbeck
10:15 / 14.08.07
went to the factory records exhibit here in manchester yesterday, mainly to pay my respects and enjoy the brilliant tv footage of wilson in his 70s heyday. a real giant of pop culture imo, who made a lot possible in what was a bleak run down city. agree, should have been knighted. he would have loved it i'm sure.

heard a quote from him
'you either make hisptry or make money.'

respect to him and his wonderful ego.
 
 
doctorbeck
16:34 / 20.08.07
as part of a wake for a.h.w. on saturday me and a few friends got drunk and watched 24 hour party people with the a.h.w. commentary track.

it is hilarious. sometimes intentionally so, sometimes not, and a lovely tribute to the greatest and most charmingly flawed genius son of the north i know. highly recommend it.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
07:33 / 21.08.07
A day later, it occurs that if he'd done for London or Bristol or even Reading what he'd done for Manchester, he'd have died Sir Tony Wilson. But at least he was a prophet with honour in his own city.

I was talking to a friend about Tony Wilson a couple of days ago, and she completely unconciously refered to him as Sir Tony. When I pointed out what she'd done, we both agreed that it was definitely justified, and regardless of the queen's opinion he was Sir Tony as far as we're concerned. And we're southerners at that.
 
 
Janean Patience
08:19 / 21.08.07
A nice piece of writing by Steve Coogan about Tony, the film and their shared feelings for Manchester. Shockingly it comes from the Manchester Evening News, a dire newspaper which managed to squander a dominant position in a huge city, has lost tens of thousands of readers in a few years because it's unreadable and is now being given away free. I can hardly believe they’ve published anything this good.

Watched 24 Hour Party People last weekend, the first time since I saw it in the cinema, and enjoyed it all over again. Since then I’ve been listening to the sound of Factory, New Order and the Happy Mondays, and the latter still strike me as amazing. That a broad, unpleasant and not always tuneful South Manchester voice can be so funky... Apparently the reunited Mondays (without Shaun’s brother Paul) were impressive at the V Festival. I’m almost tempted to check out their new album...
 
 
The Natural Way
11:09 / 21.08.07
It's a fantastic film and I think one of the best value-for-money DVDs out there. All the commentaries are interesting, because those involved's stories are so interesting.

Especially where they contradict each other.
 
 
haus of fraser
14:06 / 22.08.07
I didn't think i really had a lot to add- Tony Wilson was definitely an interesting character and the world is definitely a sader place without him. Then i remembered when factory was going down the pan. My local indie record shop used to put stickers on the 7" records giving a brief description of what the bands sounded like etc (all very High Fidelity)- but such was the love for Factory they placed all the happy mondays, new order etc singles at the front- the stickers simply read "Please buy this, god knows factory need the money".

Kind of sums up how those 80's indie labels had a place in the heart of many people- nobody wanted factory to go under- it was an institution.
 
  
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