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Spaniel
18:27 / 10.08.07
Last year I asked a question on the Q&A thread about camping, this year I'm starting a thread, because... well mainly because I've got another question, but also because Barbelith hasn't got a camping thread which strikes me as pretty weird seeing as a fair few of you seem to enjoy the activity.

Question time, then.

Last year I managed to keep the rain out, but I couldn't help dragging the wetness into my small 2-man tent. I don't have much of a porch area (very small indeed), and what I do have has no groundsheet. Inevitably my feet would get wet when I took off my shoes, and my trousers would latch onto the sogginess outside the door, and there was simply nowhere to put my sodden raincoat.

Okay, nothing got too wet inside the tent, but it still fucked me off, and made me swear that I'd get a tent with a large porch area. Sadly I find myself on the verge of another trip and I still don't have that tent with a large porch area (mainly 'cause we're planning on buying a big family tent next year, after we've got the expense of the wedding out the way). So what to do?

Things I've considered

a) Sucking it up. 'Tweren't that bad, afterall.
b) Buying a tent canopy extension thingy.
c) Building a makeshift porch area!

Now (a) I could live with, (b) I can't really afford, and (c)... I don't know if (c) is even possible.

What say you?
 
 
grant
18:30 / 10.08.07
How is a porch going to keep your raincoat or boots dry? What's it going to do that a big, plastic trash bag located right inside the door of your tent isn't?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:43 / 10.08.07
Oooh, I have a camping-related question. Since I won't be venturing that far from civilisation and at this time of the year it just doesn't get very cold in the regions I'll be visiting, I can't be arsed putting my tent up--I end up lugging the thing with me "just in case" and then find I'm perfectly happy with my sleeping-bag and a tarp. I want a bivvy-bag to drag out into the woods with me. Since I don't want to spend €80+, I want to make it myself. Google is less than helpful. Plz advise.
 
 
Spaniel
18:55 / 10.08.07
It's not going to keep them dry, it's going to provide a space where I can change out of, and possibly even store, wet clothes without getting my dry self/clothes wet while I do so. Without one it's all too easy to bring unwanted wetness into the area where I'll be sleeping.

I used the plastic bag technique last year (thanks, Bitchkittie).

So you get the idea, this is the sort of tent I would like to have this time around.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:21 / 10.08.07
Here's an insane idea: what if you looked around for the cheapest tent you can find, cut the back open and use it as an "airlock"?
 
 
Spaniel
19:42 / 10.08.07
That's fucking nuts, and possibly absolutely brilliant.

I'll have a think.
 
 
Tsuga
00:31 / 11.08.07
I want a bivvy-bag to drag out into the woods with me. Since I don't want to spend €80+, I want to make it myself.
How about this magic:

Really, tarps are pretty freaking handy sometimes. Boboss, this might be what you're wanting too (besides a ground pad, got to have a ground pad if it's damp at all). Tarps are fairly light and versatile if you've got some strong string and some trees to tie to. For minimalist camping, it's about the best you can do. They even make extra-lightweight ones just for camping that cost as much as cheap tents. The most important thing is siting on a rise and angling the tarp to keep water from flowing under it. That's an important part of setting a ground pad as well, not having the edges stick out too far from your rainfly and channeling water under your tent.
I've slept out on crisp fall nights just out, like in a sleeping bag on the ground, if there are no bugs, no real chance of precip or too much fog, or maybe too many hungry bears around. It can be exquisitely nice, but I learned the really, really hard way that you still want to bring at least a tarp along with you, even if there is supposedly no chance at all of rain.
And if you're out in the rain for days, there's not much you can do about drying stuff out, you just have to be ready to suffer with it. You can keep some areas dryer, but over time everything just gets damp. Just bring changes of socks.
 
 
Ticker
00:42 / 11.08.07
Uh Live things if you are thinking about camping in my neck of the woods it gets cold wet and nasty in like 20 minutes from when it was lovely. That's why we talk about the weather constantly.
Do keep that in mind.
 
 
This Sunday
02:13 / 11.08.07
Dig a quick little trench around your tent. Water goes in the trench, not in the tent. (Read it like it was a commercial twenty years ago, brimming with confidence.)

Also, Tsuga's tarp suggestion is a yes, depending on where you're at. I like going to sleep with a big coat over me and hat under my head, out in fields and woods and all that, but I'm not going to do it in the thunderstormy season in Nebraska (which is a lot of the year, really), where there's like to be loads of people wandering about, or where there's insane insect issues. You could just knot yourself into a sleeping bag, completely sealed and over your head, but that's can lead to other problems.

As a general note, always, always with the biggest towel you can. DNA may've been joking, but seriously 'tis a marvelous thing capable of more jobs than can be counted. Camping and all other forms of going without home-roof for extended periods.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:23 / 11.08.07
XK: nah, I'm talking about sunny Spain, mate. Don't worry, I've been warned about the likely climate and I'll be coming prepared.
 
 
petunia
08:37 / 11.08.07
Boboss - It's an artful maneuver to get into a small tent without much porching. The following tips come from an official team leader in a Duke of Edinburgh expedition, no less (my team was known as 'group wank', so, pinch of salt...)

- Survival bags (big orange things like this made of tough plastic that you can pick up for a couple of quid in any camping shop) are indispensible. Each person should have one, which works well if sharing a two-man tent. You use one bag as a groundsheet, providing a little ground dryness for your 'porch' as well as extra protection for the floor of the tent, and one bag to wrap your rucksacks and spare stuff in, meaning you can leave all this stuff outside the tent and out of your way. They also make for exellent sledges if you encounter any snow. And there's the survival bit - if you're caught up in mean weather, just nip inside it for that yummy 'plastic womb' feeling.

- When leaving the tent, make sure you leave the stuff you want dry (sleeping bag, towel, spare knickers, etc.) away from the porch. This means you can enter the tent without worrying about getting that stuff wet.

- When getting in the tent from the rain, first take your jacket off (once under cover of the tent, obv.). Fold the jacket so that the inside will be kept dry, and place it either in your porch (if you have room), in your survival bag, or just outside the tent (making sure it is folded up nice and waterproof).

- With jacket off, you can turn around and sit inside your innertent with your feet still our in the porch. If you have been wearing waterproof trousers which are wet, make like you are having a dump and hike them down so they are outside of the inner as well. remove your boots and put them in the porch/survival bag. If applicable, remove waterproof trousers and leave where suitable.

- You can now shuffle into your inner and let the poor sod who's been standing out in the rain waiting for you to get your outerwear off get in the tent.

- You should now be inside your tent and able to change into dryer clothing that you haven't been walking in.

- Towel off, get in your sleeping bag and listen the the rain. Wonder why you don't live in a dry country.
 
 
Spaniel
19:53 / 11.08.07
You're like... like a bear or some kind of wild beast!

I'm getting SURVIVAL BAGS!
 
 
grant
01:14 / 12.08.07
Heh - I'm used to canoe camping. Everything is wet, everything is in bags.
 
 
Triplets
20:04 / 12.08.07
Can I just third MattS's batshit airlock idea? I'll definitely be using that if I go wet weather camping.
 
  
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