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Spook Country- William Gibson [SPOILERS but tagged somehow please]

 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:26 / 10.08.07
Half-way through the new Gibson, Spook Country, and loving it. It's another contemporary thriller in the vein of Pattern Recognition, andit's moving along at a fair old whack. Post 9/11 paranoia? Check. Convoluted plot that happens mostly in the background? Check. New, though not quite invented, developments in technology (this time it's a breakthrough digital art?) Check. It's got everything I wanted from it.

Especially the trademark Gibson prose. It's a masterclass in how to write "cool" without coming across as a wanker. It's got that slight detatchment that never strays into the clinical coldness of a Ballard (not a criticism of Ballard by any means, they just have very different ways of conveying things), that obsessive eye for detail and those lovely turns of phrase that couldn't come froim anywhere else.

Just this piece alone:

She sighed. Let go, she told herself, though she had no idea of what.
Alberto's virtual monument to Helmut Newton appeared, in her mind's eye. Silver-nitrate girls pointed into occult winds of porn and destiny.
"Let go," she said, aloud, and fell asleep.


could be picked out of a line-up and identified as the handiwork of Mr G. Even more so than with Pattern Recognition, he's managed to write (unless it gets shit at the end, which I doubt) a novel which is entirely a William Gibson novel but it isn't science fiction anymore. Like Ballard, the world has caught up to him; all his obsessions can be played out in the present day.

It seems to me that over his last five novels (from Virtual Light onwards) he's been moving away from cyberpunk and towards a really rather beautiful spot midway between Robert Stone and Iain Sinclair.

Anyone else reading or read this? I recommend it unreservedly so far.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:43 / 10.08.07
Out of interest, are there any indications so far that it's set in the same 'universe', as it were, as Pattern Recoginition?
 
 
_pin
13:53 / 10.08.07
Back when there was much less on he web about it then there is now, I'm sure I read a small feature quoting him saying just that - although there were words like "loose," and no impression of recurring characters.

There's a lot of stuff now, though, so I can't find it to link.
 
 
Janean Patience
13:55 / 10.08.07
There's a character in it from PR, I read in an interview yesterday when trying to get a free copy of this. So yeah, same universe.
 
 
Janean Patience
13:56 / 10.08.07
By PR I meant Pattern Recognition, though given the character the more commonly recognised meaning for that acronym would also apply...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:32 / 10.08.07
Out of interest, are there any indications so far that it's set in the same 'universe', as it were, as Pattern Recoginition?

Well, Hubertus Bigend features quite prominently, so I'd say yes.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:43 / 10.08.07
And (apologies for the double post- hit POST and then remembered how slowly mod actions go through in Books)-

I just finished it. It's ace.


SPOILERS FOLLOW






Unusually for me, instead of crying on the bus, I ended this one with a big fuck-off grin that probably made me look like a serial killer. The pay-off is wonderful- all these machinations are there purely to make laundering some Iraq cash impossible- and not a huge amount in the greater scheme of things, either, the old man does it as a point of principle. We're told it's an obsession of his.

I also love the fact that many of Gibson's imitators have used the whole "cyberpunk" thing as an excuse for extreme violence- with which there's nothing wrong, fictionally, I guess- but that he's now writing really fucking hardcore, totally Gibson-esque, thrillers, in which, unless I'm counting wrong, NOBODY ACTUALLY DIES.

And I LOVED it when Inchmale turned up at the end. He was my favourite character throughout, and while I liked the idea of the best character being one who never appears, it would have been a disappointment if we'd never actually met him.

And I liked that Gibson's politicisation (not saying he was never political before, but it's never been manifest in his novels in the way it has been in his blog over the last couple of years) has become overt without screaming itself from the rooftops. Not that screaming from the rooftops is bad, but if I'd known there was more of a current affairs angle to this one it could have spoiled the ending for me.

Like a heist novel in reverse. It fucking ruled.







END SPOILERS




Ah well. Here begins another FIVE FUCKING YEARS of waiting. His prose is, as ever, fucking great. And getting beter by the novel. (I once read someone describing Mishima's prose as "crystalline", which I didn't quite get, but it's an adjective I'd apply to Gibson from All Tomorrow's Parties on).
 
 
THX-1138
22:05 / 11.08.07
I have a question, which may seem superfluous, but I don't need to have read Pattern Recognition to 'get' Spook Country do I?
Is SC intended to be part of a trilogy, like previous novels?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:10 / 11.08.07
It certainly appears to be, but I'm guessing probably like the Bridge trilogy- the first two were pretty much unconnected but both came together in the third.

No, you definitely don't need to have read PR... I couldn't really remember what had happened in it, and it made no difference. But you should read it anyway.
 
 
THX-1138
19:32 / 12.08.07
Yeah I plan on reading PR as soon as I can get one, budget allowing. The reason I asked about Spook Country was that I looked to see if I had all of his novels which I soon found out I did not. Sooo I went and purchased SC and looked for the others I don't have. I thought I owned PR, but I guess not...unless its just hiding...
 
 
pfhlick
19:57 / 06.10.07
Was anyone else as interested in the locative art idea, or did y'all just see it as a little hook to advance the plot?

The descriptions of a clunky VR headset and tagged environments made it sound a little like Gibson's original conception of cyberspace, to me, and for a minute I wondered if his "present" might link up with his "future" at some point in his writing.

I desperately want someone to believably tell me that shit is only a few years off. Visual filters laid over normal vision, so reality can be zoomed, enhanced, and edited on the fly? Society of the stereoscopic open-source spectacle?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:29 / 06.10.07
I'm approaching the halfway point of this and really enjoying it so far. The locative art is rather catching my attention, though ultimately the sequences relating to Tito and those relating to Milgrim have caught more of my attention than Hollis's sections. I like Hollis as a character with her oftened eluded to backstory, Inchmale's presence, and the very Dickian Bigend, but I'm not getting the energy from her chapters that I am from the two men, particularly as their stories are more closely and obviously connected. At this point.

Tito in particular catches most of my energy; I love the scene where he and his cousin clean his apartment of all traces of his existence.
 
 
pfhlick
18:59 / 08.10.07
Could somebody please tell me more about the dieties that Tito calls on? I don't have the book in front of me and I can't recall what tradition they come from or anything. Wikipedia says: "Adept in a form of systema that encompasses tradecraft, a variant of free-running and the Santeria religion as opposed to the Russian martial art of the same name."

I was glad to see magic popping up in Gibson's novels again, reminded me of the loa in count zero.
 
 
illmatic
11:38 / 10.10.07
Could somebody please tell me more about the dieties that Tito calls on?

What exactly do you want to know? All of below is written with the proviso I know very little about these religions but should do as a bluffers guide. You can understand each of the the Cuban/Yoruban deities as a phenomena in nature or the world. Tito worships either Yemaya or Oshun (with the blue vase - can't recall which one exactly)- the former is the sea, the great mother, while the latter is the flowing river and is more related to the mysteries of beauty and feminity.

Tito also calls on Ellegua, who is occupies the role of Crossroads deity and opener of roads in Santeria. All (??AFAIK) of the diasporia religions have a crossroads/road opener deity within them - this deity is appeased before any ritual or worship to make sure of smooth communication with the other deities. Some alternative forms in other diasporia religions are Legba, Exu, Eshu and so on. One of his faces is that of a small child, and his colours are red and black. He is worshipped with rum, cigars and candy. His place "in the world" is the Crossroads, so he's tied to human mysteries and has a kind of paradoxical nature, he is one thing and the other at the same time.

I wasn't that keen on the way Gibson used the Loa in his first trilogy - he seems to have picked them up to give a bit of spooky "colour", rather than anything else (and there's the strong implication that they aren't real, but just the fractured AIs taken on "faces" to communicate with. I liked the way Santeria was approached in this book a lot more. Tito is an idalised figure to be sure (free running, spirit worhsipping Cuban son of the underworld dynasty!) but he's written really with some sympathy (and stranger, believability). His religion seems integrated into his life and is explored nicely I feel, not just used for "flash".

Even Gibson's SF books are very much about the present. I wonder to what degree Tito was "created" as a response to the growth of these religions in the 'States in recent years?
 
 
illmatic
11:46 / 10.10.07
Thatthink there is some confusion over the "systema" versus "santeria" in that quote. In the book, systema means the systematic protocol that Tito's family have developed for their criminal operations, I think. There's also a Russian MA called systema, which derives from Russian special forces training, and is becoming increasingly well known.
 
 
illmatic
12:23 / 10.10.07
Look here and here is some more information, from the Gibson fanboard.
 
 
Feverfew
18:02 / 04.12.07
Just strictly as an out of interest thing, but I stumbled across a Cuban group called Orishas while CD-shopping at the weekend, and recognised a sort of co-incidence while I'm re-reading Spook Country at the moment - their music is good stuff, and may end up being posted about in the music forum. But, like I say, it's strictly as an aside here.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
20:21 / 13.12.07
pghlick: you could do all that reality augmentation stuff in 2006 (when the book was set) very much so. In fact people have been doing it for a while. There's some good videos on the intertubes. The leap he's made is connecting the existing stuff with google earth's concept of collaborative layers which is quite clever. The practical difficulty would be getting that much bandwidth to download all those textures, it'd take ages on 3G at the resolution he talks about. Also obviously it being really silly to wear goggles, most of the realistic stuff i've seen and played with has been running on phones and overlays over the cameraphone input.
 
 
pfhlick
15:09 / 04.02.08
One of the most interesting scenes in the book was the one where everything in Hollis' room was tagged with information (sorry I don't have the book in front of me). I could easy imagine a modern home in which every object has several layers of embedded info, explaining its history, how to properly use it, how to pronounce its name. Whooshy three dee phantoms are fine I guess, but reality isn't really lacking resolution or bandwidth.

I saw Gibson speak when he came to Cambridge on his book tour, and somebody asked him about the sort of predictions he made in Neuromancer - he said he'd gotten it backwards: he thought that cyberspace would be a virtual place, separate from reality, that we would visit, go to see and do things we couldn't in real life; when in fact, cyberspace is coming to reality, becoming ubiquitous.

The portable interface isn't there yet, imo. iPhones are pretty close - two input touchscreens are a big leap forward. No one will be wearing clunky VR headsets. But soon, not only will invisible information be everywhere, you'll probably be able to leave your own bits lying around, in full view of the public. It's kind of exciting.

I'm going to have to read Spook Country again. Really enjoyed it the first time. I love a novel that piques my curiosity about the real world near-future without flying off the handle into fantasy land.
 
 
jostarla
00:28 / 05.02.08
I finished this a few months ago.
I didn't find it as engaging as Pattern Recognition, but I did really like Hollis as a character.

Lost Papers >though ultimately the sequences relating to Tito and those relating to Milgrim have caught more of my attention than Hollis's sections.

That's funny - I was the reverse.

The descriptions of the locative art were so great.
 
 
Make me Uncomfortable
18:14 / 19.02.08
I was a little unhappy with the treatment of locative art mostly because it wasn't really backed up with much of the history of psychogeography, the Situationists, or any of the rich ideas about the intersection of art and geography that have existed since at least the early 50s. A little more research and exposition would have been appreciated, although it was nice that Bigend's mother was tangentially related to the group.
 
  
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