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What should I do with my finished comic?

 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:13 / 09.08.07
Years ago I used to harbour a desire to write comics. I did a couple of five page things. Got them published in a couple of very small press ventures. I began writing this sci-fi epic called "Do Electric Sheep Have Wet Dreams" which was going to be 5 episodes of around 22 pages per story. Each episode would be self-contained but they would fit together into a larger over-arching story. Myself and the artist both put loads of work into it. However, life intervened, the artist moved to another City, we both got involved in other stuff and it has lain unfinished for about four years.

Until a couple of months back, when the artist suddenly and spontaenously decided to finish drawing episode one. So now I have a complete 22 page comic, with very little idea of what to actually do with it now that it's done. I haven't thought about writing comics for years and have no idea of what sort of condition the industry is in these days or what the possibilities are.

I've been focussing on writing about magic and related areas for the last few years, and that seems to be going alright these days. Been in a couple of books, given loads of talks and lectures, and people seem to generally like what I do (apart from the ones who think I am teh evil sorcerer). So I have a bit of a non-comics writing CV, which may or may not help matters.

The obvious way forward, which I'm going to pursue, would probably be to get a small print run of the finished comic together and send it off to every publisher I can find along with an outline of the rest of the story and the overall vision of the project. I have loads of ideas for what happens in the other issues, and its a story that I really want to see through to completion. The artist is also really excited about revisiting this, and is up for drawing the rest of it.

I've thought about just self-publishing, but I've got so many writing projects on the go at the moment, that I don't really have the time and headspace to get into that stuff if I can avoid it. Ideally, I'd like someone else to worry about that side of things so I can get on with the writing. Does anybody have any thoughts or advice? Can anyone point me to likely publishers that might take a look at our comic?

You can read the first five pages of it here:
http://www.thedukeofwishes.com/newpages/comic.htm
 
 
FinderWolf
12:51 / 09.08.07
This looks pretty cool! Good stuff! I'd say you could always start out by just xeroxing it and publishing it as a mini-comic, or a full-sized comic just done via xerox'ing and staples. A lot of successful indie comics have started out as just that; and then you can send those to the various indie publishers you want to submit to. It would make your stories look more like a finished product than just sending sample pages, etc.

That's my two cents, anyway. Good luck & rock on!
 
 
ghadis
12:53 / 09.08.07
Hi GL

One publisher i'm really interested in at the moment is CestBonKultur who are based in Sweden i think but publish mostly in english. I've got a couple of their anthologies which are a high standard in both content and production. Some great varied stuff there. They do one-shots as well as the anthologies so they ask for submissions of between 5 and 30 pages. I can bring along some issues next time we meet for a beer if you like.

The other thing i've been looking into is self-publishing print on demand type stuff, Lulu style, through the american company Comixpress though i'm not sure of the production values. I did order a couple of titles from them to check it out but thats taking ages so perhaps they are not the best idea.
 
 
ghadis
12:54 / 09.08.07
Looking forward to reading the finished comic by the way!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:59 / 10.08.07
I'm pretty sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, Green Lama, but, all the same, you really ought to be getting on with your book.

Writing a comic, play, or script for Eastenders (in which, say, Pauline Fowler's slowly cajoled into a chaste lesbian affair with Dot Cotton, that sort of thing) is quite a lot of fun, and easy enough, I imagine. But, is it what you were born to do? Best case scenario, if the comic takes off, is that you might be let loose on something like 'The Flash' for a bit.

On a monthly basis. Could you be arsed? After the Flash was stuck in a dry-out house with a sore knee, after the initial four episodes, when the Flash would presumably incinerate his entire Rogues Gallery, where would he go? Character-based stuff, apologies to the wife and kids, etc, would last for a while, but still ...
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:44 / 10.08.07
You have a point. But episode one of this is already written and drawn and doesn't really need too much more work. I wasn't really planning to get stuck into episode two until after the book is done, or at least 90% out the door.

I'm not that interested in "breaking into comics", writing the Flash or Eastenders or whatever. I just want to do this comic. There is a point to it and it's very much the same broad themes that my writing on magic tackles, but done as a weird sci-fi comic. I think of it more along the lines of Jodorowsky's Incal rather than something that Marvel would be interested in. At the moment it's an ongoing side project to other stuff that I need to finish though.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:04 / 10.08.07
I think your plan as outlined in the first post is a very good plan, GL.

My (somewhat) limited experience to date has been in preparing a pitch (usually several pages of finished sequential artwork, even more pages of script, and a plot outline for either a finite series or the first arc of an ongoing series), getting it printed up (Comixpress and Ka-Blam are great!) and then sending it out with a nice letter to about a dozen different comics publishers. (You can download a pitch for Rise, Kraken!, which will be published by Ape in 2008, here if you want to see what I usually throw in.)

And then getting rejected by a lot of people, and (luckily for me) usually accepted by one.

My goal is to "break into comics," though, and hopefully-eventually make enough money at it to eke out a living as a freelance writer. Probably never JUST on comics, but with comics as a staple in a varied writing diet.

But even if you're not trying to get into comics as a full-on thing, there's a lot to be said to finding a publisher:

- less financial risk up-front from publishing (less profit, too, if it sells, but to be honest your chances of making money off an off-label comic are so low that the no-money-down element has been very compelling for me);
- distribution and accounting taken care of for you (I hate administrative work, so it's worth it for me to -- again -- make less money off a book if it means I don't have to deal with Diamond, shops, promotional materials, accounting, yadda yadda)
- brand equity (for better or worse, having a comic with a "brand" on it is a mark of (sometimes dubious) quality, but at least it means that a publisher has already seen it and liked it enough to risk some shekels on it)
- resumé power (again, being published by somebody with a track record and established presence looks better than self-publishing, even when you're looking for writing work in other fields)
- goofy perks (you get to hang out at the publisher's table at conventions and get in for free, your comics get reviewed on comic-review sites, you can fail in broader and more spectacular ways than you could ever manage on your lonesome)

BUT!!

Self-publishing is also awesome! There are two great companies (at least) that do bang-up work with affordable comics printing: Comixpress and Ka-Blam. I've used both and both were swell. Then you get a bunch of boxes of comics, and you can also push people to direct-order some print-on-demand stuff directly from the printer if you want.

AND!!

Web publishing is a perfectly credible way of going about things. You can either slap together some InterRealEstate and just put it up yourself, or try to work with one of the portal sites (Modern Tales is good for avant-gardeish material, Graphic Smash does stellar action comics, Keenspot is invitation-only for... well, strips that are just kinda popular). The vast majority of online comics are strip-centric (yo) but there's no shortage of comic-book-comics online out there too, a lot of them just as good or better than what's being published in dead trees these days.

So yeah, try hitting up a few publishers first, because they make life easy and almost guarantee broader exposure for far, far less effort than you'd be able to accomplish yourself. If you don't care about making money off the book. The only thing I'd really recommend there is getting a short run of the book printed at Comixpress or Ka-Blam to send to the prospective publishers, because then you're sending them something that looks and feels like a comic and I think that has a lot of subconscious impact on their "yeah, we could do this" reaction.

If that doesn't work out, there's always the Web route, and run a few pages of the book as a preview on Comicspace; if it looks like you're drawing a crowd, see who would be interested in buying a printed version and gauge that to see if moving to print through Comixpress or Ka-Blam would be worthwhile.

As far as potential publishers go: are you set on black-and-white? Because that'll narrow you down right off the bat.

It looks a little SF for SLG (formerly Slave Labor), but the publisher, Dan Vado, is incredibly cool and very open-minded (people tend to pigeonhole SLG because its biggest hits have been a touch... gothy... but they also do stuff like Rex Libris). They will NOT get back to you fast about submissions, though. Well, they might, but it's a small shop and they really do read everything they get, so turnaround can be slow.

Oni doesn't take unsolicited submissions, which is too bad because they'd be my #2.

WAY too SF for Top Shelf, but the art style is very Top Shelf, so I dunno.

And I could keep listing publishers and my opinions (based on sending my pitches out in the past, the feedback I got, and what stuck to who), but honestly I'd say for the couple of extra bucks, just fire it off in all directions. You might catch Erik Larsen's assistant in an exceptionally good mood or something -- the market is shrinking and shifting constantly, so it's hard to tell when a company is going to suddenly decide to strike out in a bold new direction.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:10 / 13.08.07
It looks a little SF for SLG

WAY too SF for Top Shelf, but the art style is very Top Shelf, so I dunno.

Hmm. It's an SF comic in the same way that El Topo is a spaghetti western. The first five pages might look like straight up SF, but once the couple are tunneling through the innards of the sentient spacecraft and receiving Divine revelation from the fumes of the sexual fluid that coats the walls, it's a whole different deal. Not to mention where the rest of the story goes...

Thanks for all of that. Really useful stuff.

And I could keep listing publishers and my opinions (based on sending my pitches out in the past, the feedback I got, and what stuck to who), but honestly I'd say for the couple of extra bucks, just fire it off in all directions. You might catch Erik Larsen's assistant in an exceptionally good mood or something.

Would you mind suggesting a few more? Part of my problem is not knowing what publishers are out there. For instance, I have no idea who Erik Larsen is, let alone his assistant...
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
11:53 / 13.08.07
Hmm -- I'll try to find my master send list for the Kraken! stuff and PM it to you, with some added notes about each publisher in general. Trying to remember who published Paul Pope's THB in North America, but I suspect Pope self-published it.
 
 
_pin
13:58 / 13.08.07
Ooh! Ooh! I know that one! (All I seem to do here is tell people things about Pope. Why?) He did do it himself, under Horse Press, which is his/him.
 
  
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